Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

[sense]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Mayweather is the Truth. No matter who he beats, there will always be some excuse about the other fighter. With that being said, I do not see him beating a prime Sugar Ray Leonard. With the exception of losing a very close decision against an all time great (Duran) after he abandoned his gameplan, his only losses occurred when he was well past his prime. Besides, SRL already beat Sr. LOL

Yea but Floyd Sr. gave him a hell of a fight till the last couple of rounds.

[sense]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Ummmm, Hagler, Hearns, Leonard, and Duran would all beat Mayweather.

Unfortunately until PBF steps out of his comfort zone and truly faces a stern test from a real fighter in their natural weight class, he will never achieve mention of GOAT status. He will just only be great.

Thats debatable. Floyd is one of the most technical sound and defensive fighters EVER!!!!! Add that to his incredible hand speed and accurate punching, he'd of had a more than a fighting chance of beating all those fighters.

And what do mean get out of his comfort zone???? Who else out there could challenge Floyd??? Cotto, Shane, Cintron??? LightWork!!!!

[khujo711]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

he was a lightweight, welterweight, and middleweight meaning he fought plenty under 160. In fact the majority of his truly incredible career.

Good call my bad.

Was looking up his fight record and somehow filtered it to only show his fights at middleweight and above. Thought it didn't look right, but with so many fights I didn't catch it.

[marq]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

For years folks have named fighters that were supposed to beat Floyd. its easy to sit back now and name guys as 'subpar' after he walks through him. Man of his opponents have excellent records and are well known. But as soon as they lose, we right them off as whack.

RJJ had the same issue for years he killed his opposition and made it look easy. Its not because the talent he faced was awful, its because he as that good.

Floyd is that good, and not because he is some super human freak of nature. It is that I have not seen a fighter in my lifetime that prepares for a fight like him. He talks big, which I think is a front, but he prepares twice as hard as the next guy.

Boxing is a sport where speed kills and the basics will keep you in the fight. Floyd has mastered the basics. He parrys for the whole fight, he jabs for the whole fight, he moves for the whole fight, he stays in position to counter all the time. He doenst take many flush shots. He is an excellent fighter, make no mistake.

Agreed here. That has always been my argument. Just because a boxer dominates his opponent does not mean he is fighting "bums." I'm tired of this. There is truly no boxer today that looks as if they would beat PBF. Also, I know a loss is a loss, I wasn't trying to take away Leonard's losses. Just saying that I think a prime SRL would beat PBF since he had the full package: speed, power, defense, ring generalship, etc. IT's all good though, PBF deserves all of the props for his domination of the sport today. I don't understand why people do not give him the respect he deserves, just like RJJ.

[Sausage]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Thats debatable. Floyd is one of the most technical sound and defensive fighters EVER!!!!! Add that to his incredible hand speed and accurate punching, he'd of had a more than a fighting chance of beating all those fighters.

And what do mean get out of his comfort zone???? Who else out there could challenge Floyd??? Cotto, Shane, Cintron??? LightWork!!!!

One name that never gets mentioned is Paul "The Punisher" Williams; I don't believe could adjust to 6'1" monster who can throw and take a punch for 12 rounds. I believe Cotto, Cintron, Margarito, and Williams would give Mayweather tons of trouble. I also believe if they fought today or within the next year both Cotto and Williams would put a LOSS or DRAW on that record. Peace.

[pk500]

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It's too bad Edison Miranda can't stay at 160 anymore and that Floyd couldn't move up to 160. I'd like to see that fight. Miranda has SCARY power for a man of his size, but he's going to stay at super middleweight or higher from now on.

Did anyone else see Miranda DESTROY David Banks from "The Contender" with one right hand last Friday on "Friday Night Fights?" Destructive power, man.

Take care,
PK

[Complex]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

One name that never gets mentioned is Paul "The Punisher" Williams; I don't believe could adjust to 6'1" monster who can throw and take a punch for 12 rounds. I believe Cotto, Cintron, Margarito, and Williams would give Mayweather tons of trouble. I also believe if they fought today or within the next year both Cotto and Williams would put a LOSS or DRAW on that record. Peace.

Cintron lost to Margarito

Williams beat Margarito

Wiliams has one named fighter on his record in 30 fights.

[Complex]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

It's too bad Edison Miranda can't stay at 160 anymore and that Floyd couldn't move up to 160. I'd like to see that fight. Miranda has SCARY power for a man of his size, but he's going to stay at super middleweight or higher from now on.

Did anyone else see Miranda DESTROY David Banks from "The Contender" with one right hand last Friday on "Friday Night Fights?" Destructive power, man.

Take care,
PK

I am sure if SRL fought a Lt Heavyweight, he would get KOd. If Hagler fought a heavyweight he would get KOd. The weight makes a difference.

[pk500]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

I am sure if SRL fought a Lt Heavyweight, he would get KOd. If Hagler fought a heavyweight he would get KOd. The weight makes a difference.

No question, but if Miranda still could make 160 and PBF climbed to 160, then weight wouldn't be a difference.

Not going to happen, though. Still, I'd like to see how PBF handled Miranda's power and if the extra 13 pounds hampered his speed at all.

Take care,
PK

[Money99]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

I want to see what arguments you guys can come up with.

I honestly belive he deserves to be in the conversation. I put him ahead of Sugar Ray Leonard and Tommy Hearns. At a catch weight of 150 or so, I think he gives Hagler an L too.

I think he deserves the talk but won't get it until he's close to retirement.

But I think the fact that most fans, worldwide, don't like him has a lot to do with it.

He's not an exciting fighter and hasn't had to show the heart needed for GOAT considerations yet.

Look at Ali. How many times did he have to come off the deck to gut out a win? He never quit, even when pushed and fighting Parkinson's. Same with Sugar Ray Robinson. He fought some wars in the ring. PBF has yet to come close.

For PBF to be mentioned in the GOAT discussion he's going to have to fight an opponent that pushes him to the limit. Some will say that he's so good that there's nobody out there that can do it. That might be true, but no matter how unfair it is, that's where he stands.

[Complex]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

No question, but if Miranda still could make 160 and PBF climbed to 160, then weight wouldn't be a difference.

Not going to happen, though. Still, I'd like to see how PBF handled Miranda's power and if the extra 13 pounds hampered his speed at all.

Take care,
PK

Untrue, Floyd started at 130 and has gone through 130, 135, 140, 147 and topped out at 150 (so he could fight De La Hoya at 154. I feel he should never fight at 154). I think going any further up and he puts himself at risk. The same way Miranda would if he was asked to come down to 147.

[Complex]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

I think he deserves the talk but won't get it until he's close to retirement.

But I think the fact that most fans, worldwide, don't like him has a lot to do with it.

He's not an exciting fighter and hasn't had to show the heart needed for GOAT considerations yet.

Look at Ali. How many times did he have to come off the deck to gut out a win? He never quit, even when pushed and fighting Parkinson's. Same with Sugar Ray Robinson. He fought some wars in the ring. PBF has yet to come close.

For PBF to be mentioned in the GOAT discussion he's going to have to fight an opponent that pushes him to the limit. Some will say that he's so good that there's nobody out there that can do it. That might be true, but no matter how unfair it is, that's where he stands.

I think boxing purist will always respect him. I hear what you are saying tho.

[Sausage]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Cintron lost to Margarito

Williams beat Margarito

Wiliams has one named fighter on his record in 30 fights.

I Understand, but don't put so much on losses. Styles make fights, and I said these guys would push him to the limit. These are a few of the best Welterweights, and deserve a shot at the world champion. Paul has one named fighter on his resume, but he is only 25. People with names have to want to climb in the ring with young lions. We can't assume he just walks through all the best welterweights, if he is calling himself champ, defend against the other champs. Instead he is considering a second fight DeLaHoya.

[marq]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

I am sure if SRL fought a Lt Heavyweight, he would get KOd. If Hagler fought a heavyweight he would get KOd. The weight makes a difference.

SRL DOES have a Lt. Heavyweight title topping out at 167 the next fight after Hagler. He won by TKO...LOL...see your point though, even with the few exceptions in history.

[Complex]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

I Understand, but don't put so much on losses. Styles make fights, and I said these guys would push him to the limit. These are a few of the best Welterweights, and deserve a shot at the world champion. Paul has one named fighter on his resume, but he is only 25. People with names have to want to climb in the ring with young lions. We can't assume he just walks through all the best welterweights, if he is calling himself champ, defend against the other champs. Instead he is considering a second fight DeLaHoya.

Williams is the only one in that list I give a chance. Only because he has the work rate to keep up with Floyd. Once Margarito saw Paul wasnt scared of him his work rate dropped, he seem discouraged and took a lot of punches. What would a faster, more conditioned Floyd do to him?

Cintron is ducking Williams now. He had a potential fight with Cintron but Cintron got hurt. Ok, that happens. Paul waited, then all of the sudden when Cintron is now healed, he is looking elswhere for an opponent. So it made Williams look towards Quitana. Not a good look for him.