Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

[JayBee74]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Sugar Ray Robinson would have knocked the crap out of him.

Yeah, Ray Robinson was practically invincible at 147, and couldn't handle Robinson's combo of power and speed.

[pk500]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Untrue, Floyd started at 130 and has gone through 130, 135, 140, 147 and topped out at 150 (so he could fight De La Hoya at 154. I feel he should never fight at 154). I think going any further up and he puts himself at risk. The same way Miranda would if he was asked to come down to 147.

Did you miss the part in my prior post where I said, "Not going to happen, though?"

Miranda can't make 160 anymore, so there's no way he could make 147. The dude's normal weight is pushing 190, and he has very little body fat, so he's really trimming muscle even to make 168.

Take care,
PK

[Complex]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Yeah, Ray Robinson was practically invincible at 147, and couldn't handle Robinson's combo of power and speed.

Are you saying Robinson is faster than Floyd?

[pk500]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

One name that never gets mentioned is Paul "The Punisher" Williams; I don't believe could adjust to 6'1" monster who can throw and take a punch for 12 rounds. I believe Cotto, Cintron, Margarito, and Williams would give Mayweather tons of trouble. I also believe if they fought today or within the next year both Cotto and Williams would put a LOSS or DRAW on that record. Peace.

Someone agrees with you:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2008/01/how-long-will-the-champions-avoid-paul-williams/

Take care,
PK

[JayBee74]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Are you saying Robinson is faster than Floyd?

Pure hand speed, No, but I think Sugar Ray was quick enough to counter him to death, and had a distinctive edge in power. He had a 91 fight win streak as a welter-I believe Lamotta was the only one to beat him at that weight.

[sense]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

One name that never gets mentioned is Paul "The Punisher" Williams; I don't believe could adjust to 6'1" monster who can throw and take a punch for 12 rounds. I believe Cotto, Cintron, Margarito, and Williams would give Mayweather tons of trouble. I also believe if they fought today or within the next year both Cotto and Williams would put a LOSS or DRAW on that record. Peace.

Cotto, Cintron and Margarito, you crazy. But Williams I could understand where your coming from.

[Complex]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Pure hand speed, No, but I think Sugar Ray was quick enough to counter him to death, and had a distinctive edge in power. He had a 91 fight win streak as a welter-I believe Lamotta was the only one to beat him at that weight.

Yeah but you had to land a flush punch on Floyd. Floyd and B-Hope are two fighters in my time that seem to never take a flush shot. They roll punches better than anybody I've seen since I have watched the sport.

[allBthere]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Yeah but you had to land a flush punch on Floyd. Floyd and B-Hope are two fighters in my time that seem to never take a flush shot. They roll punches better than anybody I've seen since I have watched the sport.

SRR had speed, knockout power, could take a punch, had the heart of a lion, and BALLS OF STEEL. He also never lost a remach, and drank a cup of bull's blood the day of a fight.

If him and pbf fought in their prime, I think pbf would get soundly beaten and realize what it takes to be truly special...even if pbf founda way to win the first fight, i would bet parts of my anatomy that he'd lose big time in a remach and probably get ko'd. Just because no one these days has been able to nail him, doesn't mean SRR couldn't.

Don't take my word for it, and go watch some tape and see what I'm talking about.

[pk500]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Ray Robinson's greatness:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=60GuoYpmbJo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-gG2_JUqZE

SRR would have handled PBF. No question in my mind.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Are you saying Robinson is faster than Floyd?

This guy says Roy Jones Jr. is faster than Floyd:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2008/01/is-roy-jones-jr-faster-than-floyd-mayweather-jr/

Take care,
PK

[aholbert32]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Cotto, Cintron and Margarito, you crazy. But Williams I could understand where your coming from.

Cintron and Margarito would get killed by PBF. The only people with a shot at beating Floyd is Cotto and Williams.

[Sausage]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Cintron and Margarito would get killed by PBF. The only people with a shot at beating Floyd is Cotto and Williams.

Lets stop being our favorite fighters promoter and demand he fights the best in the division to prove that he would beat these guys. Stop counting losses, who beat who, and what not. Styles make fights and any of those 4 welterweights would give him hell. The exception maybe Cintron-he is a natural but seems to lack the mental. Instead we get Mayweather vs DeLaHoya 2-give me a break. I love boxing, but we fans who support the countless horrible pay-per-views and endure the crazy ticket prices or lack of deserve better.

Vasquez vs Marquez 3-thank you
Pavlick vs Taylor 2-thank you, but should be on HBO, but the undercard looks alright.
Povetkin vs Chambers-thank you Showtime (Battle of young heavy's)

There is more, but I have to go. Peace.

[aholbert32]

Re: Why isn't Floyd in the GOAT conversation?

Lets stop being our favorite fighters promoter and demand he fights the best in the division to prove that he would beat these guys. Stop counting losses, who beat who, and what not. Styles make fights and any of those 4 welterweights would give him hell. The exception maybe Cintron-he is a natural but seems to lack the mental. Instead we get Mayweather vs DeLaHoya 2-give me a break. I love boxing, but we fans who support the countless horrible pay-per-views and endure the crazy ticket prices or lack of deserve better.

Vasquez vs Marquez 3-thank you
Pavlick vs Taylor 2-thank you, but should be on HBO, but the undercard looks alright.
Povetkin vs Chambers-thank you Showtime (Battle of young heavy's)

There is more, but I have to go. Peace.

PBF isnt my favorite fighter so I dont know what you are talkinga about. My point is simple. PBF is the Ring champ and the recognized welter champ. The only one of those four that deserves a shot at the belt is Cotto. Who has Cintron beat to deserve a shot? Mattayse? Feliciano? I love Williams but he has 1 win over a top 10 fighter. Does he really deserbe a championship fight? Same goes to Margarito who lost to Williams.

The Cotto fight will happen in 2009 so just be patient.