Countdown To Pavlik-Hopkins Oct 11th

[fistofrage]

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He started the drugs that Wednesday.

For Pavlik's sake, this is what he needs to overcome the mental block.

If you have never lost, then you never fought anybody. And Ali, Lennox, SRL, etc...all were able to find "excuses" to mentally trick themselves that there was a reason they lost. Kessler, Pavlik, Jermain Taylor, Cotto, etc... are all great fighters (no matter what any douche says) and it will be interesting to see how all of them comeback from defeats. It is exciting to see who has the mental toughness to bounce back.

It "should" be easier for Pavlik. He was out of his weight and just frustrated against a HOF'er who decided to actually box for the first time in ages instead of just play Bush League BS, throw in the Bronchitis and you do have some excuses. He wasn't beaten to a bloody pulp like Cotto. That said, Pavlik just seems like he lost his shine after the 1st Taylor fight. I could be wrong and hope I am, but I see his career quickly sliding down that slope.
Either way, He and Cotto would be best served to get as light as comfortably possible and box there.

[allBthere]

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Not crazy about Calzage's comments about Pavlik.
JOE SAYS

not crazy about Joe period anymore. Ever since he beat hopkins, his comments are more and more arrogant and annoying.

It's not like he whoop'd hopkins either, ..and also to Kelly's credit, he didn't get knocked down - that's something hopkins will always have over JC is that he put him on his seat (even though it didn't look like it hurt or affected him really)

[Complex]

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I'd like to see him fight Berto or Margarito.

Pavlik KOs Berto, but Margartio would be a slug fest as both fighters like to come forward.

[SHAKYR]

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Pavlik is the type of boxer who can't fight out of his weight. Plain and simple! I know as a former boxer myself; putting on extra weight makes you sluggish. Pavlik didn't grow into that weight he forced it on.

There are several boxers who boxed or still does who have Bronchitis. I hope this isn't Pavlik excuse. Bernard was the crafty vetern who offset alot of the things he tried.

[thelwig14]

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not crazy about Joe period anymore. Ever since he beat hopkins, his comments are more and more arrogant and annoying.

It's not like he whoop'd hopkins either, ..and also to Kelly's credit, he didn't get knocked down - that's something hopkins will always have over JC is that he put him on his seat (even though it didn't look like it hurt or affected him really)

JC has always been that way if you have followed him.

And for all things considered, he gave B-Hop the second biggest butt kicking of his career. B-Hop is not the type of fighter to get whooped, so it is all relative. Only RJJ beat B-Hop worse...and it is was much more convincing but B-Hop was much more green.

Flash knockdowns have no merit.

[JayBee74]

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JC has always been that way if you have followed him.

And for all things considered, he gave B-Hop the second biggest butt kicking of his career. B-Hop is not the time of fighter to get whooped, so it is all relative. Only RJJ beat B-Hop worse...and it is was much more convincing but B-Hop was much more green.

Flash knockdowns have no merit.

Cosign on the "flash knockdown" comment.

[allBthere]

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Cosign on the "flash knockdown" comment.

they have enough merit to give you a 10-8 round. It's also embarassing to get knocked down, and it sure changed the fight. You could see JC respect the power after that. So I'd say that knockdowns do have merit.

Don't get me wrong, I'm technically a JC 'fan', but I don't remember him saying the same insulting things about kessler for example.

[thelwig14]

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they have enough merit to give you a 10-8 round. It's also embarassing to get knocked down, and it sure changed the fight. You could see JC respect the power after that. So I'd say that knockdowns do have merit.

Don't get me wrong, I'm technically a JC 'fan', but I don't remember him saying the same insulting things about kessler for example.

True on the first point. But the way you made the point was some sort of badge of honor...nothing to do with getting a 2 point round.

Embarrassing? No, it isn't. Only a few, select handful of elite fighters have never been down in their career. It happens to the best of them.

Changed the fight? No it didn't. It was a minute or so into the fight...no gameplans were established.

Respect his power? No it didn't....still, it was still at the beginning of the fight. Both were feeling each other out, Hopkins through a perfect counter while JC's balance was off. It was a FLASH KNOCKDOWN.

With Kessler? He did some...but not really towards Mikkel. But, Mikkel is one of the biggest class acts in boxing. This is the same guy that landed 400 punches on Andrade's face (to 100 received) and gave him a hug at the start of Round 12 as a sign of respect for his unbelievable chin and heart. In contrast, B-Hop went through all his racist rhetoric before the fight, got beat cleanly while holding like Ruiz, and won't admit defeat to this day. Two totally different scenarios. Whatever JC says to discredit B-Hop, he deserves it from all his antics.

And if anything, the fight shifted around the early midway point when JC got in a rhythm and B-Hop realized JC's workrate, stamina, awkwardness, and slapping combinations were just too much for him which resulted in him constantly holding to not let JC go off.

[JayBee74]

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Whatever JC says to discredit B-Hop, he deserves it from all his antics.

I totally agree, but he had no right to bring Pavlik into the mix.

[allBthere]

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True on the first point. But the way you made the point was some sort of badge of honor...nothing to do with getting a 2 point round.

Embarrassing? No, it isn't. Only a few, select handful of elite fighters have never been down in their career. It happens to the best of them.

Changed the fight? No it didn't. It was a minute or so into the fight...no gameplans were established.

Respect his power? No it didn't....still, it was still at the beginning of the fight. Both were feeling each other out, Hopkins through a perfect counter while JC's balance was off. It was a FLASH KNOCKDOWN.

With Kessler? He did some...but not really towards Mikkel. But, Mikkel is one of the biggest class acts in boxing. This is the same guy that landed 400 punches on Andrade's face (to 100 received) and gave him a hug at the start of Round 12 as a sign of respect for his unbelievable chin and heart. In contrast, B-Hop went through all his racist rhetoric before the fight, got beat cleanly while holding like Ruiz, and won't admit defeat to this day. Two totally different scenarios. Whatever JC says to discredit B-Hop, he deserves it from all his antics.

And if anything, the fight shifted around the early midway point when JC got in a rhythm and B-Hop realized JC's workrate, stamina, awkwardness, and slapping combinations were just too much for him which resulted in him constantly holding to not let JC go off.

First, about JC's comments to b-hop..i agree and that's fine...but what has Pavlik done to deserve crazy insults from JC??? none as far as I know, I'd say Pavlik is a class act just like kessler - I think JC's revealed he doesn't have to fight him, and used insults to try and convince people that they are not even in the same league. That was my concern was JC's insults to Pavlik, NOT Bhop.

As for your other comments - I watched the fight too, and while I respect your opinion, I saw noticeable difference in JC's defense from the beginning and from other fights, he was MUCH more concerned about not getting hit than other fights. JC even admitted he was a little stunned from that.
The look on his face was pretty telling too.

A FLASH KNOCKDOWN doesn't necessarily mean weak either - it can put people out. To me it means it came out of nowhere and wasn't set up by anything - to me any 1 punch KO that isn't set up by other punches is a FLASH KO.

And finally I think bhop did use it as a badge of honour of sorts...he was dwelling on it while interviewed after the fight saying he deserved to win.

The whole point of my first post though was to show that JC's attitude towards Pavlik is uncalled for and has tarnished my opinion of him. JC has no business insulting someone like Pavlik, I don't even remember him insulting Hopkins that bad. I like rooting for good people, so if the two ever fought I'd be for Pavlik all the way after reading more of JC's quotes.

[thelwig14]

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First, about JC's comments to b-hop..i agree and that's fine...but what has Pavlik done to deserve crazy insults from JC??? none as far as I know, I'd say Pavlik is a class act just like kessler - I think JC's revealed he doesn't have to fight him, and used insults to try and convince people that they are not even in the same league. That was my concern was JC's insults to Pavlik, NOT Bhop.

As for your other comments - I watched the fight too, and while I respect your opinion, I saw noticeable difference in JC's defense from the beginning and from other fights, he was MUCH more concerned about not getting hit than other fights. JC even admitted he was a little stunned from that.
The look on his face was pretty telling too.

A FLASH KNOCKDOWN doesn't necessarily mean weak either - it can put people out. To me it means it came out of nowhere and wasn't set up by anything - to me any 1 punch KO that isn't set up by other punches is a FLASH KO.

And finally I think bhop did use it as a badge of honour of sorts...he was dwelling on it while interviewed after the fight saying he deserved to win.

The whole point of my first post though was to show that JC's attitude towards Pavlik is uncalled for and has tarnished my opinion of him. JC has no business insulting someone like Pavlik, I don't even remember him insulting Hopkins that bad. I like rooting for good people, so if the two ever fought I'd be for Pavlik all the way after reading more of JC's quotes.

I follow boxing very, very closely. And anything Pavlik gets from JC, he deserves. Lowe has shot his mouth off uncontrollably negative about JC. As a representative of Pavlik, those are Kelly's words. He deserves it. When you spout your mouth about "ducking" and "being afraid"....and you get your butt whooped by a guy that JC clearly beat, then you deserve it. What goes around comes around. Pavlik is a class act, Lowe isn't. But Lowe is Pavlik.

Just disagree. Of course JC was more cognizant of B-Hop, he was the best fighter he had ever faced and the one with the most power. That is common sense...but it had nothing to do with the power he felt at fight time or the flash knockdown. What people don't understand is JC, at this point, is ONE OF THE BEST fighters I have ever seen adjust midfight to his opponent. Lennox and RJJ were also flawless. Kessler had JC's number, JC adjusted, and Kessler couldn't adjust again until the 10th.

True, a flash knockdown can have some meat behind and finish a fight...like Rahman-Lennox...but that particular knockdown in the B-Hop/JC fight was nothing. Nada. Zilch. A classic case of a fighter not having his balance and being caught. He was more embarrassed than anything.

No person in their right mind had B-Hop winning. He was out of his mind and won't ever admit defeat. That is the way he is.

And again on your point, just google some of Loew's comments about JC. They had it coming. I love Kelly, I am a Kelly fan, but whatever Lowe says, Kelly said. Same with Manny and Lennox...Manny and Wlad...PBF Sr. and Oscar, etc... Pavlik let him run his mouth.

[Complex]

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Flash Knock Downs do have merit. They usually result from an over anxious or careless fighter getting caught with the just right punch at a certain time. Props to the fighter that quickly recognizes the opportunity and takes full advantage.

JC will always tainted IMO for taking such fights late in his career. His record is full of less than bums. True he is a good fighter, but he never pushed himself during his career. Let's say he does retire undefeated, what fights would you say topped off his career?

Hopkins vs JC could have been a draw IMO.