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  • Darxide
    Rookie
    • Mar 2006
    • 222

    #31
    Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

    Ah, the negative hype train... I love it. People nitpicking a game they haven't even played yet. It's okay, when the game comes out, and they realize that it has nearly everything they asked for, they'll shut up and play it.

    Wanted a game better than Round 3? Got it. Wanted the most accurate representation of the sport thus far? Got that too.

    As for the roster talk, EA did a good job of creating a fight fans roster. I'm glad EA didn't waste time chasing overpriced current fighters, and instead focused on delivering an outstanding boxing game. Yea, Big George probably cost a ton, but he should. And he should be in the game over a guy like say, David Haye. Foreman is a hall of famer whose name is spoken in legendry, David Haye might be forgotten about if his HW campaign doesn't go too well.

    The only thing I'll say about UFC fighters money is this: The UFC isn't even 20 years old yet. They have yet to have a fighter who transcends the sport and can create the kind of demand like DLH, Tyson, and SRL did. When they do, You can say bye-bye to the current way UFC keeps reigns on it's fighters. No fighter is that stupid.

    Lastly, on the UFC game- it's awesome. It's the best MMA game to date. The visuals, presentation... just outstanding. BUT. The stand-up game is garbage. And after playing Round 4, it feels last-gen and boring.

    I've trained western boxing and martial arts. I understand that most MMA fighters don't have the same advanced skillset with punching as pure boxers. However, their options for attacking are not as limited as boxers. But in the UFC game, you are indeed limited some. Why can't I throw a lead uppercut? Why is a right cross considered a "weak" attack, and thus can't cause a KO? We've all seen hundreds of right cross KO's in both boxing and MMA. No body KD's? I can back-step jab, but I can't forward-step jab because that's the modifier for a lead hook. What the hell? I'm hoping that it's a matter of the different things available from the different stlyes in the game, but even then, it's not accurate because those are things I should be able to do in Muay Thai, and Shogun can do none of those things in the demo.

    Also, punches don't "track" like in FN4 (even Victorious Boxers had tracking punches)- thus, no grazing blows. It's either a hit or miss. High kicks can't be ducked unless you're going for the takedown. Punch location seems to have no bearing on the effect of the punch (which makes sense as the punch/kick always lands in the same spot). It's much of the same stuff we complained about in Round 3. Hell, Chuck's Superman punch is worse than the haymakers since the superman punch still causes damge when you block it.

    I think people are just overreacting with round 4. If you are a boxing fan, I can think of few reasons to not love this game. There are some small things that some will dislike, some won't, but overall, it's an incredible game. Once the demo and real reviews are out, a lot of tunes will change.

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    • Darxide
      Rookie
      • Mar 2006
      • 222

      #32
      Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

      Originally posted by aholbert32
      Also, I wouldnt call $150,000-750,000 peanuts. Especially if you get that 3 times a year. Thats the amount that guys like Liddell, Rampage, Silva, Couture and GSP are making.
      Compared to boxing, that is. Those guys should be making millions a fight.

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      • aholbert32
        (aka Alberto)
        • Jul 2002
        • 33106

        #33
        Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

        Originally posted by Darxide
        Compared to boxing, that is. Those guys should be making millions a fight.

        Actually they shouldnt. One, UFC fights are significantly shorter than boxing matches. Two, People buy UFC PPV's because there are multiple good fights on one card...not just one fighter.

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        • Darxide
          Rookie
          • Mar 2006
          • 222

          #34
          Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

          Originally posted by aholbert32
          Actually they shouldnt. One, UFC fights are significantly shorter than boxing matches. Two, People buy UFC PPV's because there are multiple good fights on one card...not just one fighter.
          I disagree Casual fans don't. Same as in boxing. The headliner is the moneymaker, and they should be paid accordingly, like in boxing. Earlier in the "new" UFC days, that may have been true, but since UFC has been toppling boxing's ppvs numbers in the last two years, I think now it's the casual fan paying to see Chuck, Tito, Randy, Silva, etc.

          Although MMA isn't actually quite as dangerous as boxing, it's still a considerable health risk, and it's ridiculous that a fighter only get half a mil from a PPV that tops the million buy mark. In boxing, being the headliner on a PPV that sells that much makes you an overnight millionaire.

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          • aholbert32
            (aka Alberto)
            • Jul 2002
            • 33106

            #35
            Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

            Originally posted by Darxide
            I disagree Casual fans don't. Same as in boxing. The headliner is the moneymaker, and they should be paid accordingly, like in boxing. Earlier in the "new" UFC days, that may have been true, but since UFC has been toppling boxing's ppvs numbers in the last two years, I think now it's the casual fan paying to see Chuck, Tito, Randy, Silva, etc.

            Although MMA isn't actually quite as dangerous as boxing, it's still a considerable health risk, and it's ridiculous that a fighter only get half a mil from a PPV that tops the million buy mark. In boxing, being the headliner on a PPV that sells that much makes you an overnight millionaire.
            I dont know want to see that. Why? Because I dont want MMA to become boxing. Where fighters like Floyd demand 20 mil and fight once a year. Or where fighters make so much guaranteed money that they dont come to fight.

            Anderson Silva is arguably the best fighter in the world. He also headlined the two lowest purchased PPVs in 2008. Paying him millions would be ridiculous when he isnt a draw. The UFC pay scale is preferable because the headliners get a decent salary, plus win bonuses, plus knockout bonus plus a percentage of the PPV revenues (Chuck, GSP and Couture get those).

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            • SHO
              Give us a raise, loser!
              • Mar 2005
              • 2045

              #36
              Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

              As much as I want to see MMA fighters get higher pay, the current system in place works.

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              • TheCreep
                Banned
                • Nov 2008
                • 1792

                #37
                Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

                Originally posted by Darxide
                Ah, the negative hype train... I love it. People nitpicking a game they haven't even played yet. It's okay, when the game comes out, and they realize that it has nearly everything they asked for, they'll shut up and play it.

                Wanted a game better than Round 3? Got it. Wanted the most accurate representation of the sport thus far? Got that too.

                As for the roster talk, EA did a good job of creating a fight fans roster. I'm glad EA didn't waste time chasing overpriced current fighters, and instead focused on delivering an outstanding boxing game. Yea, Big George probably cost a ton, but he should. And he should be in the game over a guy like say, David Haye. Foreman is a hall of famer whose name is spoken in legendry, David Haye might be forgotten about if his HW campaign doesn't go too well.

                The only thing I'll say about UFC fighters money is this: The UFC isn't even 20 years old yet. They have yet to have a fighter who transcends the sport and can create the kind of demand like DLH, Tyson, and SRL did. When they do, You can say bye-bye to the current way UFC keeps reigns on it's fighters. No fighter is that stupid.

                Lastly, on the UFC game- it's awesome. It's the best MMA game to date. The visuals, presentation... just outstanding. BUT. The stand-up game is garbage. And after playing Round 4, it feels last-gen and boring.

                I've trained western boxing and martial arts. I understand that most MMA fighters don't have the same advanced skillset with punching as pure boxers. However, their options for attacking are not as limited as boxers. But in the UFC game, you are indeed limited some. Why can't I throw a lead uppercut? Why is a right cross considered a "weak" attack, and thus can't cause a KO? We've all seen hundreds of right cross KO's in both boxing and MMA. No body KD's? I can back-step jab, but I can't forward-step jab because that's the modifier for a lead hook. What the hell? I'm hoping that it's a matter of the different things available from the different stlyes in the game, but even then, it's not accurate because those are things I should be able to do in Muay Thai, and Shogun can do none of those things in the demo.

                Also, punches don't "track" like in FN4 (even Victorious Boxers had tracking punches)- thus, no grazing blows. It's either a hit or miss. High kicks can't be ducked unless you're going for the takedown. Punch location seems to have no bearing on the effect of the punch (which makes sense as the punch/kick always lands in the same spot). It's much of the same stuff we complained about in Round 3. Hell, Chuck's Superman punch is worse than the haymakers since the superman punch still causes damge when you block it.

                I think people are just overreacting with round 4. If you are a boxing fan, I can think of few reasons to not love this game. There are some small things that some will dislike, some won't, but overall, it's an incredible game. Once the demo and real reviews are out, a lot of tunes will change.
                I can dig this post here.

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                • phillyfan23
                  MVP
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 2313

                  #38
                  Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

                  you know I am a much bigger boxing fan than MMA but UFC undisputed came out of left field and blindsided me it's THAT good.....UFC is already a must buy for me. The demo that came out is already better than any fighting game i've ever played including all other boxing games. I find myself now learning about the fighters and the sport because of the demo and really start to appreciate the nuances of the game such as the submissions and transitions, etc. This game has potential to bring in a lot more fans for the UFC.

                  But that said, we shouldn't discount FNR4.....

                  It's still practically an unknown and we can't truly evaluate the 2 games until the demo is out for FN.I don't care for rosters or perfect character models if the game is crap. So yea UFC does have a better roster, but the gameplay backs it up.

                  Same concept with FNR4.....if the gameplay is so good, no one will care that much about the roster or the ugly player models.

                  Honestly, UFC in my eyes is a 9/10 just from playing the demo...and it will be tough for FNR4 to eclipse that, but it certainly is possible.

                  This is a new team and sim is the backbone of the project so we should expect a killer game this time around.

                  My only concern for FNR4 is the lack of button use. That is the feature that has killed my anticipation somewhat because it is 100 percent related to gameplay. I'm sure all the in-fighting, the grazed punches are gonna be great, but it's gonna be a gamekiller for me personally if I'm playing as Tyson, and I wanna unleash his trademark uppercut and a jab comes out because of the difficulty of the analog controls. If we can practice and get to a level where 95 plus percent of the time the right punches came out with realistic speed, fine no big deal. this wasn't the case in previous iterations tho, so we will see.

                  If that area is fine, and the gameplay is sublime, like what many have said that attended the comm. day event, I guarantee that very few gamers will complain about the rosters or the bad models of the fighters' torsos.

                  those are just the icings on the cake for me...would I like it if the their bodies are right on and the game has a 70 fighter roster? Sure.....but if the gameplay doesn't back it up, it will be a bust no matter what. And FNR4 gameplay is STILL an unknown , so there is really nothing that can be said.

                  All that can be said is....UFC has the chance to be sports game of the year with its quality. Now let's see if FNR4 can beat that. I'm hoping yes so we can have 2 killer games for the upcoming summer.

                  to reply to the topic.....yes UFC will definitely cut into the sales of FNR4, becasue majority of gamers are casual and they won't really want to spend money on 2 games just to fight and brawl. For a die hard boxing fan like me, there are aspects in the UFC game that still can't replace the sweet science. So I'm definitely gonna get both even if FNR4 is slightly less stellar than UFC.
                  Last edited by phillyfan23; 05-01-2009, 09:54 PM.

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                  • Vast
                    MVP
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 4015

                    #39
                    Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

                    EA just needed to pitch it better. Convince the boxers to be in the game. Tell them about the free marketing, the exposure, the gaining of new fans that would come from being in a game 6 or 7 million people would buy.

                    hell 2k managed to round up a good roster on a limited budget.
                    Last edited by Vast; 05-01-2009, 10:14 PM.
                    "I'm addicted to Video Games, and i chase it with a little OS." -Winston Churchill

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                    • JayBee74
                      Hall Of Fame
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 22989

                      #40
                      Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

                      Originally posted by Money99
                      I understand your argument but do you think Joe Fratboy is going to get excited about getting owned over and over again by the one guy in the dorm that likes to grapple when all he wants to do is throw bombs?

                      To me, that's where the divide is in real life.
                      I don't like MMA nearly as much because as soon as it goes to the mat, I fall asleep. I want to see guys trade. That's why I like the simplicity of boxing.
                      Also, there's far more opportunity to see a war in boxing than in UFC - where two guys trade bombs over and over again for 12 rounds displaying their heart and chin.
                      In the UFC 9 times out of 10, if someone's clocked on the button it's over. You would never see a war like Gatti-Ward, Israel Vazquez-Rafael Marquez, Cotto-Margarito or Holyfield-Bowe.

                      I'm not trying to knock MMA. I know how popular it is. But where someone might find extreme pleasure in watching someone reverse a rear-naked choke, or arm bar, I might as well watch paint dry. Those particular skills don't interest me.
                      And that's where the divide will take place in these games.

                      Some guys might love the strategy of takedowns, submissions or reversals. That's cool.
                      But then you're going to get other guys that will revel in the simplicity of boxing - hitting and not getting hit, countering, etc.

                      I actually believe that the UFC game will outsell FNRd4. MMA is a booming sport.
                      I just hope it's close so we can guarantee future FN releases. And I think once everyone gets their hands on it, they'll fall in love - even by people who care nothing about boxing.
                      Me too ZZZZZ to the ground game. My friend and I even went to strikes only but it just wasn't the same. I'd be interested in the UFC production team coming out with a boxing game.

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                      • totalownership
                        Banned
                        • Jul 2004
                        • 3838

                        #41
                        Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

                        I gotta agree with you guys. UFC came outta nowhere. I wasn't even thinking about this game and I never watch MMA stuff at all. But when I played the demo the only disappointment was the lousy music, other than that I'm definitely getting the game. I just hope the FN 4 game will do the same. But as mentioned before, something has to give. I'm not spending 600 bucks worth of games. No way.

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                        • AtlantaFalconFan
                          MVP
                          • Mar 2003
                          • 1305

                          #42
                          Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

                          this just means that EA will buy the UFC license and make a combo fight night/ufc round 5 and monopoly that too : / ( i really wouldnttt doubt ea buying the license tho)

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                          • Money99
                            Hall Of Fame
                            • Sep 2002
                            • 12695

                            #43
                            Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

                            Originally posted by AtlantaFalconFan
                            this just means that EA will buy the UFC license and make a combo fight night/ufc round 5 and monopoly that too : / ( i really wouldnttt doubt ea buying the license tho)
                            If you heard what Peter Moore said about it, you've basically fortold the future.
                            EA wants in on the MMA market. They'll probably wait for the contract to be up and then outbid THQ.

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                            • totalownership
                              Banned
                              • Jul 2004
                              • 3838

                              #44
                              Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

                              Originally posted by Money99
                              If you heard what Peter Moore said about it, you've basically fortold the future.
                              EA wants in on the MMA market. They'll probably wait for the contract to be up and then "outbid" THQ.
                              I fixed this for you lol

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                              • Brandwin
                                Hall Of Fame
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 30621

                                #45
                                Re: UFC trying to steal FNs thunder.

                                Originally posted by Seymour Scagnetti
                                UFC game wasn't even om my radar untiul the demo came out but it has killed alot of the anticipation for FN4.
                                .
                                I agree. I wasn't even aware and I am in love with the demo.

                                Originally posted by Gotmadskillzson

                                Now if any game steals FNR4 sales figures, it would be the new Splinter Cell game that comes out on June 30th also.
                                I don't think Splinter Cell is coming out until around Christmas.

                                Originally posted by Darxide
                                I disagree Casual fans don't. Same as in boxing. The headliner is the moneymaker, and they should be paid accordingly, like in boxing. Earlier in the "new" UFC days, that may have been true, but since UFC has been toppling boxing's ppvs numbers in the last two years, I think now it's the casual fan paying to see Chuck, Tito, Randy, Silva, etc.
                                I am a casual fan, trying to get into the sport more and I enjoy watching some lightweights I have never heard about as much as I do the big name guys. It's truly an entertaining sport.

                                I don't think UFC is stealing Fight Nights thunder, if anything, the news, screens, video's etc that EA has released is killing Fight Nights thunder. I was thinking about getting FN4, but with everything I have seen and now UFC, I am going to pass on it.

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