Right Stick Punching is horrid

[Chef Matt]

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Sorry you are not enjoying the game. You just need practice with the right stick. It is, without question, one of the best and most innovative gameplay features ever put into a video game. The only game I'd say that is on par with the controls of FN is EA's NHL, which uses very similar controls.

As far as the mini-games, these were very frustrating to me at first but now I can score a championship level on almost every one, every time.

Thats reassuring. I've only tried one so far but I can see where it's frustrating not seeing results. It sounds like a bit of practice is the key here. Thank goodness, I can handle practicing. LOL

[Phobia]

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I feel your pain....This along with times when Im killing my opponent (cpu) and then they knock me out with one random punch.........Just couldn't handle it anymore. Traded it in this weekend. There are so many people who think the analog is more realistic and so on and so on....EA has you guys brainwashed.....lol. It's okay because I just realized that they had me the same way until now. I always buy NCAA College Football, NBA live, NCAA College Basketball, Fight Night,....you get it by now though......every single year religiously.....Not anymore. They slack on just about every game they put out, but they won't fix the problems because people are still purchasing the games. Friends kept telling me NBA 2k was 10 times better than Live. I didn't listen. Got Live 08 and didn't like it so I bought NBA 2k9 late......Loved it. Next year, did the same thing cause I was brainwashed. Ended up getting NBA 2K9 late....loved it even more. Although NCAA College Basketball was better than Live, it was essentially the same game. Why did I buy the same game that I already knew I didn't like?......(Caught up in the EA brainwashing along with the fact that I like the college atmosphere)......Fight Night gets better in some areas and then worse than the previous version in other areas. The only thing I'm somewhat content about is NCAA College Football. So for now on, EA gets only one purchase from me a year unless they mess that up. NBA 2k is the other purchase. I kind of got off subject but had to let that out........Back to the topic though.....The analog stick is neither better nor more realistic.

It has NOTHING to do with "brainwashing"!!!! Some of us just feel that the stick requires more skill. So those that put the time in to learn it will feel very rewarded when fighting and beating someone. So while I am not a fan of button mashing (anyone can hit AAABBBABY) But left me see you throw that same combo with the right stick. Show me you have more stick skills than me. That is what I like about the stick.

[Radioactiveman]

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So while I am not a fan of button mashing (anyone can hit AAABBBABY) But let me see you throw that same combo with the right stick. Show me you have more stick skills than me. That is what I like about the stick.

I agree.....There are a thousand alternatives for people who love button mashing....I would recommend Tekken or a game like that. I'm somewhat relieved that EA is phasing out button mashing and I would go a step further and say if all the punches were on the face buttons I wouldn't buy the game for that reason. Button Mashing games are a dime a dozen and all are equally as lame.

[parker002]

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It has NOTHING to do with "brainwashing"!!!! Some of us just feel that the stick requires more skill. So those that put the time in to learn it will feel very rewarded when fighting and beating someone. So while I am not a fan of button mashing (anyone can hit AAABBBABY) But left me see you throw that same combo with the right stick. Show me you have more stick skills than me. That is what I like about the stick.

Make no mistake about it, what follows is not a complaint about the lack of buttons, let me get that out there before I say anything else. I LOVE this game, and that's the bottom line.

I have no problem with the emphasis on stick skills. It's always been an argument with Madden and NCAA as well (user catching, user INT's, etc.). The problem is, I'm guessing I'm older than 60% of the members here, and I'm also down a few million brain cells. There are people out there, like me, that just cannot compete when it comes to using the analog sticks.

It's just a simple fact, and something I came to terms with long ago, that I won't be competitive online. It would be like me expecting to lace up some gloves and go toe-to-toe with some of you guys who are 20 years younger than me.

The big difference between this game and Madden/NCAA is that you HAVE to "user catch". There's no option not to. So for those of us that don't have much manual dexterity, playing "sim" is very, very hard or even impossible. For someone like me, who doesn't care at all about playing online, that's sad. I should be able to sit in my own house and play offline however I want.

But like I said, I love the game so I'm not gonna go on about them adding buttons. Primarily, because there are bugfixes/DLC additions that this game NEEDS FAR MORE than adding buttons.

[Phobia]

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Make no mistake about it, what follows is not a complaint about the lack of buttons, let me get that out there before I say anything else. I LOVE this game, and that's the bottom line.

I have no problem with the emphasis on stick skills. It's always been an argument with Madden and NCAA as well (user catching, user INT's, etc.). The problem is, I'm guessing I'm older than 60% of the members here, and I'm also down a few million brain cells. There are people out there, like me, that just cannot compete when it comes to using the analog sticks.

It's just a simple fact, and something I came to terms with long ago, that I won't be competitive online. It would be like me expecting to lace up some gloves and go toe-to-toe with some of you guys who are 20 years younger than me.

The big difference between this game and Madden/NCAA is that you HAVE to "user catch". There's no option not to. So for those of us that don't have much manual dexterity, playing "sim" is very, very hard or even impossible. For someone like me, who doesn't care at all about playing online, that's sad. I should be able to sit in my own house and play offline however I want.

But like I said, I love the game so I'm not gonna go on about them adding buttons. Primarily, because there are bugfixes/DLC additions that this game NEEDS FAR MORE than adding buttons.

Well normally I would agree. But my dad is also a gamer and I would guess he is older than you. He is late 50s and he just got the game couple days ago. Already he is giving me a run for my money. So it is more practice than the age stigma.

[norman bates]

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I surely respect anyone's opinion about using the right stick, but lets be real how the hell are you going to take away the option of using the buttons in a boxing game. LOL

[Phobia]

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I surely respect anyone's opinion about using the right stick, but lets be real how the hell are you going to take away the option of using the buttons in a boxing game. LOL

Why not is the better question. Games change and evolve all the time. I understand the debate but what I don't understand is why people complain rather than just practice and get better like 90% of the other people. What makes me better at the sticks than you??? Nothing, but the fact I will adapt and learn the new system.

So the same can be said about just about every game out there. ""Why did GTA4 add physics to the player models ahhhhhhh walking drunk is soooooooo hard!!!!!""

Developers are looking at finding ways to make more games immersive and I think EA is pretty solid in this regard with most their titles.

[parker002]

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Well normally I would agree. But my dad is also a gamer and I would guess he is older than you. He is late 50s and he just got the game couple days ago. Already he is giving me a run for my money. So it is more practice than the age stigma.

Maybe your dad is more manually dextrous than I am to start with?

There's a reason games have difficulty levels. By including a game element that is difficult, but exists in all difficulty levels, they've alienated a certain section of gamers. How is that right?

[parker002]

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Why not is the better question. Games change and evolve all the time. I understand the debate but what I don't understand is why people complain rather than just practice and get better like 90% of the other people.

I've already put in over 100 hours into the game. It isn't about practice, it's about inaccessibility. I'm as good as I'm going to get, and it's not good enough. That IS a problem, whether you want to admit it or not.

What makes me better at the sticks than you??? Nothing, but the fact I will adapt and learn the new system.

You're kidding right? I guess you think that if you practice enough, you can run as fast as Joey Galloway, or hit as hard as Mike Tyson, right? Manual dexterity isn't a SKILL, it's a physical attribute - some people are inherently better than others.

[norman bates]

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Why not is the better question. Games change and evolve all the time. I understand the debate but what I don't understand is why people complain rather than just practice and get better like 90% of the other people. What makes me better at the sticks than you??? Nothing, but the fact I will adapt and learn the new system.

So the same can be said about just about every game out there. ""Why did GTA4 add physics to the player models ahhhhhhh walking drunk is soooooooo hard!!!!!""

Developers are looking at finding ways to make more games immersive and I think EA is pretty solid in this regard with most their titles.

So what if I just want to play a game against some of my friends (who may not play videos so much),
now you force us to sit-down and learn the sticks instead of least having an option of using the buttons for a quick easy play.

[Phobia]

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I've already put in over 100 hours into the game. It isn't about practice, it's about inaccessibility. I'm as good as I'm going to get, and it's not good enough. That IS a problem, whether you want to admit it or not.



You're kidding right? I guess you think that if you practice enough, you can run as fast as Joey Galloway, or hit as hard as Mike Tyson, right? Manual dexterity isn't a SKILL, it's a physical attribute - some people are inherently better than others.

See I disagree. I find the right stick takes no more physical dexterity than dialing a number on your cell phone. You are comparing to entirely different feats. Moving your thumb in a 1"x 1" circle is alot different than running step for step with Galloway. While I find the comparison funny. Making a straight right angle with your thumb and then putting pressure going up where it follows the natural contour of the controller to me requires very little dexterity.

This debate is pretty funny. It is like comparing the Left Joystick to the D-pad. "We should of stayed with the D-pad, my thumb does not have the dexterity to make odd angles."

The simple fact is games are evolving and require more skills, more buttons, and more knowledge of the game. Games are going to continue to push for new evolutions so while you take what I am saying as "bad" I am just informing you that this trend will not stop. So either get use to the right stick because it is here to stay in many games in the future and to keep a open mind.

[Phobia]

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So what if I just want to play a game against some of my friends (who may not play videos so much),
now you force us to sit-down and learn the sticks instead of least having an option of using the buttons for a quick easy play.

Do you know how many games this can be said for. Tekken has some of the most elaborate button combos. You are not going to just pick it up and know it. That is the point. Why would I want to know I can get beat by someone who knows NOTHING about the game I spent many hours learning.

So what you are saying is "You don't want to have to learn something new".

I want games that promote skill over just random buttons causing things someone knows nothing of what they are doing. Tekken is another great example of this again. While in Tekken I might know a bunch of combos and such and then I play someone who knows nothing but they can randomly press buttons and pull off stuff they have no clue how to do again.

Why would you want a game that takes less skill????

Oh and the whole "I have to learn something" comment is wayyy overboard. I mean you don't understand the simple moves it requires. Let me help it is pretty easy.

Left up = Jab/straight
Right up = Jab straight
Left = Body hook
Right = Body hook
Left roll up = Head hook
Right roll up = Head hook
Down left = body uppercut
Down right = body uppercut
Down left roll up = Head uppercut
Down right roll up = Head uppercut

I don't know but that is pretty basic to me. You have 3 basic directions Up, down, or left/right.

[norman bates]

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Do you know how many games this can be said for. Tekken has some of the most elaborate button combos. You are not going to just pick it up and know it. That is the point. Why would I want to know I can get beat by someone who knows NOTHING about the game I spent many hours learning.

So what you are saying is "You don't want to have to learn something new".

I want games that promote skill over just random buttons causing things someone knows nothing of what they are doing. Tekken is another great example of this again. While in Tekken I might know a bunch of combos and such and then I play someone who knows nothing but they can randomly press buttons and pull off stuff they have no clue how to do again.

Why would you want a game that takes less skill????

Oh and the whole "I have to learn something" comment is wayyy overboard. I mean you don't understand the simple moves it requires. Let me help it is pretty easy.

Left up = Jab/straight
Right up = Jab straight
Left = Body hook
Right = Body hook
Left roll up = Head hook
Right roll up = Head hook
Down left = body uppercut
Down right = body uppercut
Down left roll up = Head uppercut
Down right roll up = Head uppercut

I don't know but that is pretty basic to me.

I can understand what your talking about, but really how can you take out the option to use buttons, seriously though how many games fighting or boxing doesn't at least have the option to use buttons.

[mgoblue]

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So what if I just want to play a game against some of my friends (who may not play videos so much),
now you force us to sit-down and learn the sticks instead of least having an option of using the buttons for a quick easy play.

I guess I just don't really buy this argument...Friends have to learn how to play Madden, NBA 2k, etc. You can tell your friend simple punch controls same as how you tell them the pass and shoot buttons.

We (as gamers) expect innovation and change, and yet when they give us innovation and change (evolving the gameplay engine) people whine when they don't want to learn how to play the new game. Controls change, games evolve, it's how we get better, more realistic gameplay.

[parker002]

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See I disagree. I find the right stick takes no more physical dexterity than dialing a number on your cell phone. You are comparing to entirely different feats. Moving your thumb in a 1"x 1" circle is alot different than running step for step with Galloway. While I find the comparison funny. Making a straight right angle with your thumb and then putting pressure going up where it follows the natural contour of the controller to me requires very little dexterity.

It's not NEARLY as simple as you make it out to be. You not only have to make the precise motion, you HAVE to do it in a certain amount of time or doesn't work. Not only that, but you don't make that singular motion. You make several of those motions, in different combinations - and again, you have to do it in a certain period of time. It requires considerable dexterity, whether you want to admit it or not.

This debate is pretty funny. It is like comparing the Left Joystick to the D-pad. "We should of stayed with the D-pad, my thumb does not have the dexterity to make odd angles."

Your comparison would be valid if almost every game out there didn't include the option to move players with EITHER the left analog stick OR the d-pad. There are people that still use the d-pad, and they have that option. Furthmore, movement with the left analog stick does not require any special movement, punching with the right stick does. So yes, the debate is pretty funny, considering that you're not willing to acknowledge that the comparisons you've made aren't quite valid.

The simple fact is games are evolving and require more skills, more buttons, and more knowledge of the game. Games are going to continue to push for new evolutions so while you take what I am saying as "bad" I am just informing you that this trend will not stop. So either get use to the right stick because it is here to stay in many games in the future and to keep a open mind.

How do I not have an open mind? I've said several times - in this thread even - that I LOVE the game and continue to play it despite my struggles. I haven't ONCE ASKED for buttons to be included - in fact I've said that I hope they patch/bugfix IN LIEU OF adding buttons in the DLC.

It seems to me that both sides of the argument are rather close-minded. I'm a customer. I have a right to voice my opinion on what helps me enjoy games, and the things that make me not enjoy them. "Get over it" is not an acceptable answer in customer service, sorry.