Super Six Openers Tonight

[thelwig14]

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I'm sorry my dude but Dirrell got robbed....He controlled the fight and landed the cleaner punches!!!! Froch just got an early X-mas gift!!!!!!

This is simply incorrect. He was fighting an undefeated champion who has two "elite" wins. Dirrell never, ever stood his ground and planted his feet after Froch got out of position and missed. He countered, but countered without any force and while he was backpedaling. That simply doesn't score with judges anymore. He blew the fight. Froch was all sorts of unbalanced throughout the entire fight and Dirrell NEVER capatilized. He could have scored constantly with such ease. You have to take the champs belt...make it obvious...and that simply wasnt. And to make matters worse for Dirrell, anytime Froch closed the distanced, he held mercifully. It just doesn't score well for any judge anymore. Dirrell gave away the fight...it is as simple and elementary as that.

Regardless...it doesn't matter...this is a 2 horse race.

[JayBee74]

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Close fight. I thought Andre edged it out but I'm not surprised by the decision. When the fight got ugly with all the holding, he gave away a couple of rounds. Then he had the point deduction. I was hoping he'd get the decision but when it was a split I knew which way it was going.

Dirrell admitted that he lost the last round, but others will say he won it- that speaks volumes. I got dizzy trying to score the fight, but I have no problem with the decision.

[JayBee74]

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I agree with the majority of posters on the Dirrell - Froch fight. I felt that he was the aggressor, controlled the pace and tempo all night long, and scored the cleaner shots all night long. Froch just wildly swung and mixed it up inside; he is just ugly to watch. I knew, however, that there was no way if it went to a decision that Dirrell would get the nod. He had to knock him out to win.

I also agree, however, that Dirrell needed to stop complaining and defend himself - it made him look weak and whiny. But, he'll learn, he acquitted himself nicely, and I think his best boxing is ahead of him.

Dirrell was the aggressor?

Regardless...it doesn't matter...this is a 2 horse race.

I think Ward has an outside chance, assuming you are talking about Abraham and Kessler as the two horses.

JT had a concussion!? Damn. I think that cat should call it a career.

He might.

[jwheels9876]

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This is simply incorrect. He was fighting an undefeated champion who has two "elite" wins. Dirrell never, ever stood his ground and planted his feet after Froch got out of position and missed. He countered, but countered without any force and while he was backpedaling. That simply doesn't score with judges anymore. He blew the fight. Froch was all sorts of unbalanced throughout the entire fight and Dirrell NEVER capatilized. He could have scored constantly with such ease. You have to take the champs belt...make it obvious...and that simply wasnt. And to make matters worse for Dirrell, anytime Froch closed the distanced, he held mercifully. It just doesn't score well for any judge anymore. Dirrell gave away the fight...it is as simple and elementary as that.

Regardless...it doesn't matter...this is a 2 horse race.

totally disagree with your post.

Direll landed all the punches that mattered in this fight,he landed the cleaner more effective punches all night. He did lose the 12th and the point taken hurt but I think he did plenty to win tonight. His speed controlled the fight in the middle of the ring and his movement and counter punching in the corners and against the ropes.

Froch was dirty the whole fight, starting with the toss of direll, then the constant hitting on the break and behind the head, but barely even got a warning, never mind a point taken away. Lets be honest, the chances of an american fighter going overseas and getting a fair decision is slim-none.

[sense]

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This is simply incorrect. He was fighting an undefeated champion who has two "elite" wins. Dirrell never, ever stood his ground and planted his feet after Froch got out of position and missed. He countered, but countered without any force and while he was backpedaling. That simply doesn't score with judges anymore. He blew the fight. Froch was all sorts of unbalanced throughout the entire fight and Dirrell NEVER capatilized. He could have scored constantly with such ease. You have to take the champs belt...make it obvious...and that simply wasnt. And to make matters worse for Dirrell, anytime Froch closed the distanced, he held mercifully. It just doesn't score well for any judge anymore. Dirrell gave away the fight...it is as simple and elementary as that.

Regardless...it doesn't matter...this is a 2 horse race.

Yea but when Froch was closing distance he still wasn't landed anything clean........Were as Dirrell was landing clean shots all night.

You get judged by clean effective punches which Direll was doing all night and which Froch was barely doing.

[JayBee74]

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totally disagree with your post.

Direll landed all the punches that mattered in this fight,he landed the cleaner more effective punches all night. He did lose the 12th and the point taken hurt but I think he did plenty to win tonight. His speed controlled the fight in the middle of the ring and his movement and counter punching in the corners and against the ropes.

Froch was dirty the whole fight, starting with the toss of direll, then the constant hitting on the break and behind the head, but barely even got a warning, never mind a point taken away. Lets be honest, the chances of an american fighter going overseas and getting a fair decision is slim-none.

I think you were listening to Gus Johnson too much, who became a Dirrell cheerleader later in the fight. Bottom line, the fight could have gone either way and does anybody see Dirrell beating Abraham or Frosh beating Kessler next time out?

[Complex]

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Haven't seen Froch vs Direll yet but Abraham vs Taylor played out just like I thought. Taylor early, Abraham late. What is strange is that Abraham is an extremely flawed fighter. I mean very. He is suspect able to body hooks, inside work, and volume. all the things Taylor did not do.

And the KO, just wow.

[brownclown]

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lol Froch talks trash about how andre fights. You have to be idiot to stand there and brawl i dont know what Froch was complaing about. If Maywheater can do it why not Andre. In Froch heart he knew he was outboxed and out classed they robbed this young fighter. I dont get the judges how can it be 115 112 froch TWICE. When i saw that i almost got a heart attack..... its just sick...........I HATE BOXING. Those two fights took alot out of me. I think Jermaine should retire for 1 year to get back on track and stop taking 3 fights a year i just fell sorry for the former champion. I hopes he get well. The only fighters i was impressed by were Arthur and Dirrell...espically Arthur wow this guy is for real even though hes german Anyone thinks Tarver looks like Daffy Duck with no beak

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[jwheels9876]

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I think you were listening to Gus Johnson too much, who became a Dirrell cheerleader later in the fight. Bottom line, the fight could have gone either way and does anybody see Dirrell beating Abraham or Frosh beating Kessler next time out?

Na It was just my opinion, dont really care who the announcers talk about. Both those guys are getting knocked out in their next fight. Direll may be able to run from abraham for a while but look out when he connects, lights out!

[pietasterp]

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Dirrell was the aggressor?

Yeah, in my opinion he was. Coming forward doesn't equal aggression; in my opinion, the pace of the fight was being controlled by Dirrell and he initiated a lot of the flurries (although not frequently enough). Yes, he did clutch and grab when Froch got close, but even if Froch was coming forward he didn't get anything done there.

But it's all a matter of opinion, and I never said I thought Dirrell got robbed; I agree you have to take the belt when you're the challenger, and Dirrell didn't do enough to leave no doubt he won the fight. If you leave it up to a decision and the judges have to distinguish nuance and fighting styles, well...9/10 times, you will lose.

[JayBee74]

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I hate abraham! I hope kessler knocks him TFO!

He doesn't seem so bad:
Team Sauerland and King Arthur Abraham were relieved to hear that Jermain Taylor was able to leave the hospital on Sunday. He departed Berlin as originally scheduled and is now vacationing in Europe. “We are relieved to hear that Jermain is feeling better and that he could leave the hospital on Sunday,” Team Sauerland General Manager Chris Meyer said. “The health is more important than a win or a loss. Jermain is a great fighter and a great champion.”
And King Arthur Abraham added: “I was very sorry when I heard about him spending the night in hospital. I want to defeat my opponents in the ring but I do not want to harm them. The health is the most important thing and I am very happy that Jermain is doing fine. It was an honour to fight him.” Abraham will now start a brief vacation himself. “I hope I get some time off from coach Ulli Wegner. Now that I know that Jermain is okay, I can start to celebrate my success – but only for a couple of days before I begin my preparation for Dirrell.”

[jwheels9876]

After watching Abraham fight,makes me wonder how pavlick vs Abraham would have played out? Unfortunately I don't think were ever seeing that fight come off.

[JayBee74]

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After watching Abraham fight,makes me wonder how pavlick vs Abraham would have played out? Unfortunately I don't think were ever seeing that fight come off.

I think it would have been a very tough fight for Kelly.

[pk500]

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Dirrell has way too much talent to be the offspring of Cory Spinks and Ruiz. He lost that fight...and simply gave it to Froch. He should have won handily. Giving away the backside of your head and constantly holding is way too amateurish for someone with the skill level of Dirrell.

Ding-ding! Precisely.

Dirrell needs to know how to fight as a professional. This wasn't a Golden Gloves bout. His incessant b*tching to the ref did him no favors.

Plus it's unwise to counterpunch and run against a champion in his hometown and expect to get a decision. At some point during that fight, Dirrell had to engage, had to initiate. He didn't.

Since boxing still is a subjective exercise unless there's a knockout, the aggressor always is going to have the edge on the cards in a close fight. Dirrell NEVER was the aggressor in this fight. His entire strategy was to counter and run, counter and run.

Dirrell needs to learn to use his speed and reflexes to initiate, too. Double the jab to create space, throw quick combinations and then get out. Instead, Dirrell was content to let Froch walk him down, and counter Froch's hooks or slip and slide out of harm's way.

That's simply a poor blueprint for beating a world champion in his hometown unless you're a vastly superior fighter. Dirrell is not vastly superior to Froch. And Dirrell also needs to spend more time devising an offense than complaining to the ref in the ring.

As for the other fight, are there any Americans left who doubt the power and skill of Arthur Abraham? And anyone who lets Jermain Taylor back in the ring should face criminal charges.

Take care,
PK

[pk500]

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I agree with the majority of posters on the Dirrell - Froch fight. I felt that he was the aggressor, controlled the pace and tempo all night long, and scored the cleaner shots all night long.

Not a chance, man. Dirrell NEVER controlled that fight. His entire strategy was to counter and run.

Froch did exactly what he wanted to -- corner and stalk Dirrell -- with one exception: He never really got to engage Dirrell because Dirrell was content to counter and run. The only reason Froch got wild with his hooks was because he became impatient with Dirrell's unwillingness to muster any offense.

Take care,
PK