Roy Jones Jr. vs Hopkins

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This is a fight that someone would have to pay me to watch.

[Money99]

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Steve Kim of Max Boxing put it perfectly:

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-lead/what-happened-in-vegas-shouldnt-have-happened-at-all

In a fight that lived down to every expectation, Bernard Hopkins, after 17 years, exacted revenge on Roy Jones Jr., out-pointing him inside a Mandalay Bay Events Center that was more papered than a piñata. In what was a boring and awkward foul-fest, Hopkins won by the tallies of 117-110 (twice) and 118-109. Neither was able to make it to the post-fight press conference, which is just as well, because after what was put on display, Saturday night, I’m not sure anyone wants to see them ever again in the same room.

The once legendary “RJ” is now 5-6 in his last 11 fights. Like other notable boxers of the past, he simply could not bob-and-weave and avoid Father Time. As you hear the delusional rhetoric come from his lips and his last remaining sycophants (I guess the last members of “Jonestown”/Square Ring who are still sipping the grape Kool-Aid) who continually enable him, you get the strong sense that Jones- who has lost a pretty penny on his music venture- will become just another sad story that is too often heard in this sport.

and my favorite:

But what popped into my mind was "These fools actually paid full price for these tickets?!" They may have been the only ones. The scuttlebutt throughout the industry was that, by the middle of last week, less than a 1,000 tickets were bought by the general public. The word on the weekend was that anyone who checked into the Mandalay Bay was being offered a pair of tickets to the fight (After what everyone witnessed on Saturday night, I think an extra mint on the pillow may have been a better deal).

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Steve Kim of Max Boxing put it perfectly:

http://www.maxboxing.com/news/main-lead/what-happened-in-vegas-shouldnt-have-happened-at-all

and my favorite:

Sad, and wtach Jones fight again. I never thought Jones would let himself get to this level.

[Money99]

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Sad, and wtach Jones fight again. I never thought Jones would let himself get to this level.

Me neither. He always had such a 'healthy' ego. How he can go into these fights and think he looks good or isn't embarrassing himself is beyond me.
I don't know anyone with an impartial mind who truly felt Roy could have won this fight.

[utexas]

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Me neither. He always had such a 'healthy' ego. How he can go into these fights and think he looks good or isn't embarrassing himself is beyond me.
I don't know anyone with an impartial mind who truly felt Roy could have won this fight.

Because even at his age and with the bad losses, he is a better boxer than Hopkins. Hopkins style of cheap shots and brawling is easier to maintain as your skills decrease. Roy was not active enough, he used to be able to get away with when he was younger and still quick

[simgamer0005]

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Because even at his age and with the bad losses, he is a better boxer than Hopkins. Hopkins style of cheap shots and brawling is easier to maintain as your skills decrease. Roy was not active enough, he used to be able to get away with when he was younger and still quick

Absolutely. Hopkins outworked Roy, but the amount of rabbit punches, low blows, and headbutts by Hopkins were absolutely ridiculous and they changed the complexion of the fight. Despite all that, Roy actually got more points deducted than Hopkins, and despite all that, Roy was still competitive in spurts, and down the stretch of the fight landed the much cleaner punches than Hopkins.

I thought Roy won rounds 1, 5, 6, 7, 9, and Hopknis won 2, 3, 4, 8, and maybe another round or two. And there were a couple even rounds. And that's not even counting the fouls that should have resulted in point deductions for Hopkins. Round 12 was very close and could have went either way. Round 11 Hopkins landed the worst foul of the fight, and should have probably been DQ'd right there.

It was a very very close fight, and the main reason Hopkins won was a result of fouls. Hopkins did outwork Roy at times, but Roy landed the cleaner punches by far and fought more professionally.

[Money99]

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Absolutely. Hopkins outworked Roy, but the amount of rabbit punches, low blows, and headbutts by Hopkins were absolutely ridiculous and they changed the complexion of the fight. Despite all that, Roy actually got more points deducted than Hopkins, and despite all that, Roy was still competitive in spurts, and down the stretch of the fight landed the much cleaner punches than Hopkins.

I thought Roy won rounds 1, 5, 6, 7, 9, and Hopknis won 2, 3, 4, 8, and maybe another round or two. And there were a couple even rounds. And that's not even counting the fouls that should have resulted in point deductions for Hopkins. Round 12 was very close and could have went either way. Round 11 Hopkins landed the worst foul of the fight, and should have probably been DQ'd right there.

It was a very very close fight, and the main reason Hopkins won was a result of fouls. Hopkins did outwork Roy at times, but Roy landed the cleaner punches by far and fought more professionally.

Does it matter who won this fight though? Both are shot fighters and should never be allowed in the ring again.
Like Steve Kim said, Roy has turned into a lounge act. He'll probably 'retire' to club fights in Pensacola for his zealots and family members winning one unspectacular 12 round fight after another against also-rans and tomato cans.

Hopkins is no better either. He's shot and should retire.

But before either of them gets out of the game, they should both apologize to the world for putting on one of the worst boxing exhibits known to man.
It's no wonder MMA is taking over while boxing continues to trip over it's own feet. When fights like this are on PPV only, you know where the problem is.

[clivo1050]

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I can't remember the last good main event of a PPV I watched. People wonder why boxing is going down the tubes.

They need some sort of incentive. Instead of receiving a guaranteed amount for the fight, it should vary greatly depending if you win or lose.

[Vast]

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I can't remember the last good main event of a PPV I watched. People wonder why boxing is going down the tubes.

They need some sort of incentive. Instead of receiving a guaranteed amount for the fight, it should vary greatly depending if you win or lose.

This fight definitely sucked. But the Pac vs Cotto PPV was entertaining. The Dirrell vs Abraham fight and the Haye vs Ruiz fight were both exciting fights.

[edaddy]

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Does it matter who won this fight though? Both are shot fighters and should never be allowed in the ring again.
Like Steve Kim said, Roy has turned into a lounge act. He'll probably 'retire' to club fights in Pensacola for his zealots and family members winning one unspectacular 12 round fight after another against also-rans and tomato cans.

Hopkins is no better either. He's shot and should retire.

But before either of them gets out of the game, they should both apologize to the world for putting on one of the worst boxing exhibits known to man.
It's no wonder MMA is taking over while boxing continues to trip over it's own feet. When fights like this are on PPV only, you know where the problem is.

Good post man I agree 100%..I am still wondering what the actual PPV buys were..It's said alos that Mandalay was giving FREE tickets to anyone who checked in the day of the fight..Roy is more shot than I imagined and his hand speed has really diminished..Bernard's hand speed and reflexes have greatly diminished as well...terrible fight and I am wondering when they are going to apologize for it..lol

[Money99]

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Good post man I agree 100%..I am still wondering what the actual PPV buys were..It's said alos that Mandalay was giving FREE tickets to anyone who checked in the day of the fight..Roy is more shot than I imagined and his hand speed has really diminished..Bernard's hand speed and reflexes have greatly diminished as well...terrible fight and I am wondering when they are going to apologize for it..lol

Hahaha! They'll probably apologize by having a rubber match. They'll hand out razors for everyone to slit their throats if they don't die of boredom by the 3rd round. LOL!

[Brandon13]

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Does it matter who won this fight though? Both are shot fighters and should never be allowed in the ring again.
Like Steve Kim said, Roy has turned into a lounge act. He'll probably 'retire' to club fights in Pensacola for his zealots and family members winning one unspectacular 12 round fight after another against also-rans and tomato cans.

His last fight here, which I went to, was exactly that. Roy is still good enough to destroy Omar Sheika, but that's about it.

[simgamer0005]

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Does it matter who won this fight though? Both are shot fighters and should never be allowed in the ring again.

A little over a year ago, Hopkins won nearly every round against Kelly Pavlik. People were ready to crown Hopkins the p4p king. In fact, I believe Hopkins going into his fight with Roy was #4 on the current P4P list.

And now Hopkins is a shot fighter? Now neither guy should never be allowed in the ring again? How is Jones or Hopkins more shot than a guy like Jermaine Taylor? Taylor has been stopped more badly recently than either Jones or Hopkins.

RJJ's stoppage against Green wasn't nearly as bad as Taylor's stoppage against Pavlik and Abraham. I'm not saying RJJ or BHop should continue fighting. It's their decision, but if anything the fight this weekend showed that RJJ and BHop have incredible stamina and great chins even at their age.

With all the intentional / unintentional fouls in this fight, both guys in their 40s still went 12 rounds and put on some great back and forth action and no one is even giving them credit.

[edaddy]

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A little over a year ago, Hopkins won nearly every round against Kelly Pavlik. People were ready to crown Hopkins the p4p king. In fact, I believe Hopkins going into his fight with Roy was #4 on the current P4P list.

And now Hopkins is a shot fighter? Now neither guy should never be allowed in the ring again? How is Jones or Hopkins more shot than a guy like Jermaine Taylor? Taylor has been stopped more badly recently than either Jones or Hopkins.

RJJ's stoppage against Green wasn't nearly as bad as Taylor's stoppage against Pavlik and Abraham. I'm not saying RJJ or BHop should continue fighting. It's their decision, but if anything the fight this weekend showed that RJJ and BHop have incredible stamina and great chins even at their age.

With all the intentional / unintentional fouls in this fight, both guys in their 40s still went 12 rounds and put on some great back and forth action and no one is even giving them credit.

LOL..My man have you ever heard of the old adage that says boxers can age in the ring in one night?..Well thats happened to Hopkins..Jones has had a steady decline for years but alot was covered up due to the virtual tomatoe cans he was fighting..and even then e was getting hit with shots that wouldn't have come close years ago..Have you noticed he can't bounce around the ring anymore , he lays on the ropes 80% of the time , and his trigger is just a little slow..Those right hooks that were once so fast you couldnt see them have become telegraphed..As far as Hopkins he is smart in that he changed his style as he got older to accomodate his age..He rarely goes on the attack and his technique is hit and smother..His legs look beter than Jnes because he was never that type of fighter who relied on his legs and athletic skills to win fights..he was from the old school and relies on technique..with that said a young Chad Dawson would eat him alive..His win against Pavlik was smoke and mirrors as to me Pavlik is the most overhyped fighter today with no hand speed or defense..Let's remember Bernard was bigger than him as well and Pavlik never pressed the isue like he sjoiuld have..he let Bernard potsot and smother all night..

Taylor needs to go as well he is completely shot and his chin is going to get him killed..Just as many people are calling for his retirement as well as Jones and bernard...and i have to ask you other than that foul infested round what back and forth action did you see last week?..I saw two old guys overly cautious afraid to take risks and smothering one another for at least 10 rounds...

[simgamer0005]

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and i have to ask you other than that foul infested round what back and forth action did you see last week?..I saw two old guys overly cautious afraid to take risks and smothering one another for at least 10 rounds...

I saw a fight between two legends. One guy (Hopkins) throwing rabbit punches, low blows, and headbutting his opponent. I saw the other guy (Jones) retaliating throwing a few rabbit punches back, but only doing that after Bernard rabbit punched him. I saw Hopkins bullying Roy Jones tying him up on the clinch. I saw Hopkins throw more punches, but I saw Roy Jones landing the cleaner shots throughout the fight.

I saw Roy Jones drop Bernard three times in the fight, all from borderline situations. I saw Bernard land a low blow in the nuts of Roy.

So I saw two guys who were past their prime, but two guys who tried to muster it up for one more great fight. And to me it exceeded my exceptions. It was really an incredible display of boxing filled with lots of close rounds. It had a lot of fouls that were mostly coming from Bernard.

I thought it was a very telling fight, and I think both guys should be commended for the effort they gave. But I think at the end of the day, Roy Jones Jr deserves a lot of credit for this fight. He showed so much heart in their against Hopkins. He could have quit but he fought Hopkins tooth and nail all the way to the end.

Roy Jones Jr is one of the greatest fighters of all time, and still at the age of 41, although he's lost a step, still has it. And to me he showed more clean boxing in this fight than Bernard did.