Fight Night Champion Sliders Not Working

[SHAKYR]

Re: Fight Night Champion Sliders Not Working

still trying to figure out how tuners play into all this. what they are working on in a patch vs what can be done via tuner. something tells me we will only get tuners when ever there is a patch

The producers said Tuners and Patches are to different things.

[Hova57]

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The producers said Tuners and Patches are to different things.

I know that , but for instance for NCAA 11 they never put a tuner out without puttin out a patch too. I know the difference, but so far no one has used the tuner system like NHL has

[aholbert32]

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it shouldn't matter how he fights because arm fatigue and stamina should come into play.

It should in the opening rounds though. Arm fatigue shouldnt be an issue in round 1 for most star fighters. How you fight can be the difference between a 60-70 punch round and a 100 punch round.

[Phobia]

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It should in the opening rounds though. Arm fatigue shouldnt be an issue in round 1 for most star fighters. How you fight can be the difference between a 60-70 punch round and a 100 punch round.

To a degree you right Aholbert, But it also depends on the style of fighter you are facing. Some will chase you throwing punches pretty much nonstop, even if you run entire time. Where others wait till you press action before swinging more often.

[aholbert32]

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To a degree you right Aholbert, But it also depends on the style of fighter you are facing. Some will chase you throwing punches pretty much nonstop, even if you run entire time. Where others wait till you press action before swinging more often.

Thats a good point. Looking forward to seeing your fighter tendancy edits.

[Phobia]

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Thats a good point. Looking forward to seeing your fighter tendancy edits.

Do this Aholbert when you got time. Take a standard Fight Night guy. Edit his Punch Tendencies to all ZERO'S. This is easy to get back to default so don't worry about messing something up. One button you click and it restores them to default ratings.

Fight against a guy with his Punch Tendencies at 0 for all punches. It is night and day difference. They throw VERY realistic numbers with that setup. But difficult part will be getting guys to fight with their own style. So some tweaking to this system to above zeros to a degree is required but is a good way to see how much a difference it makes.

Here is the comparision to give you guys a idea how much the Tendencies make a difference.

With ZERO Tendencies edits to Mora Punches

CPU Averaged 43 Punches a Round

Manfredo/Mora

Total Punches
354/844 - 302/433

Head
240/590 - 131/209

Body
114/254 - 171/224

Percentage
41% - 69%

WITH OUT Tendencies Edits
CPU Averaged 82 Punches a Round

Manfredo/Mora

Total Punches
527/986 - 438/824

Head
447/853 - 249/501

Body
80/133 - 189/323

Percentage
53% - 53%

[Phobia]

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Now looking at those numbers you can see I threw unrealistic numbers also. But this is where getting the Stamina corrected first is so important. So it will be a combination of Endurance and Conditioning adjustments to PREVENT you from even throwing that much. Because if you did, you should be spent throwing slow looping punches and looking to clinch everytime they got near.

So I think better option might be tweaking Stamina ratings first before Tendencies now that I am think about this more. Then Tweak Tendencies after words to prevent CPU from punch itself out.

[rickmitchell22]

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Do this Aholbert when you got time. Take a standard Fight Night guy. Edit his Punch Tendencies to all ZERO'S. This is easy to get back to default so don't worry about messing something up. One button you click and it restores them to default ratings.

Fight against a guy with his Punch Tendencies at 0 for all punches. It is night and day difference. They throw VERY realistic numbers with that setup. But difficult part will be getting guys to fight with their own style. So some tweaking to this system to above zeros to a degree is required but is a good way to see how much a difference it makes.

Here is the comparision to give you guys a idea how much the Tendencies make a difference.

With ZERO Tendencies edits to Mora Punches

CPU Averaged 43 Punches a Round

Manfredo/Mora

Total Punches
354/844 - 302/433

Head
240/590 - 131/209

Body
114/254 - 171/224

Percentage
41% - 69%

WITH OUT Tendencies Edits
CPU Averaged 82 Punches a Round

Manfredo/Mora

Total Punches
527/986 - 438/824

Head
447/853 - 249/501

Body
80/133 - 189/323

Percentage
53% - 53%

Why can't the creators of the game run these simple tests and perfect their game? Why don't they respect the sport of boxing?

[td7]

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Now looking at those numbers you can see I threw unrealistic numbers also. But this is where getting the Stamina corrected first is so important. So it will be a combination of Endurance and Conditioning adjustments to PREVENT you from even throwing that much. Because if you did, you should be spent throwing slow looping punches and looking to clinch everytime they got near.

So I think better option might be tweaking Stamina ratings first before Tendencies now that I am think about this more. Then Tweak Tendencies after words to prevent CPU from punch itself out.

What is a realistic amount of punches per round?

[Phobia]

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What is a realistic amount of punches per round?

Depends on weight class. But you can average it from 20-70 per round.

Here is example of Mayweather vs Marquez

http://compuboxonline.com/news.php?news=Mayweather-Marquez_Stats&news_id=9&start=0&category_id=7&parent_id=7&arcyear=Y&arcmonth=M

Looking at Mayweather 290/493 in a 12 round fight. So he averaged 41 punches a round for 12 rounds. 59%

Where Marquez 69/583 (LMAO) in a 12 rounds fight. So he averaged 48 punches a round. 12% (Again LMAO)

[Money99]

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It's disappointing to hear that in less than 48 hours of release, we're already discussing editing boxers to make a realistic game.

The sliders should work, plain and simple. Like someone noted, if you put it to 0, it should be exaggerated beyond belief - not feel like a drop in the bucket.

[fistofrage]

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Depends on weight class. But you can average it from 20-70 per round.

Here is example of Mayweather vs Marquez

http://compuboxonline.com/news.php?news=Mayweather-Marquez_Stats&news_id=9&start=0&category_id=7&parent_id=7&arcyear=Y&arcmonth=M

Looking at Mayweather 290/493 in a 12 round fight. So he averaged 41 punches a round for 12 rounds. 59%

Where Marquez 69/583 (LMAO) in a 12 rounds fight. So he averaged 48 punches a round. 12% (Again LMAO)

You can't watch a Floyd fight and expect to see reasonable amount of punches. Floyd's opponent for the most part is afraid to throw punches because Floyd is quick enough to counter them. Floyd doesn't throw because for the most part, he wants to counter.

Paul Williams tries to get off 100 punches a round. Probaly why Floyd wouldn't fight him. Paq gets off 70 to 80. Floyd is on par with what clinching HW's throw.

[ralphieboy11]

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I think once you get all the tendencies down to zero, there is still something freaky or hidden about the type of punches each fighter uses. I mentioned earlier that I staged a CPU vs. CPU bout between Cotto and Winky Wright. Cotto threw mostly jabs while Wright threw mostly straight punches. I have no idea why this happened because EVERY punching tendency for each fighter was at zero.

[fistofrage]

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It's disappointing to hear that in less than 48 hours of release, we're already discussing editing boxers to make a realistic game.

The sliders should work, plain and simple. Like someone noted, if you put it to 0, it should be exaggerated beyond belief - not feel like a drop in the bucket.

This is why you shouldn't buy a game on day 1. We've already waited 2 years, what's a few more weeks or months. By then the game will be cheaper and we'll know if they fixed anything or not.

If you are mainly an offline gamer like me, all I would be doing is spending $65 to be in slider hell. Basically paying EA to beta test their product.

Madden wasn't patched up until December. I bought it just after Christmas for half the price and saved myself months of aggrevation.

[Phobia]

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Yea Fist you are correct, but a average boxing match will be between the 20 to 70 punches a round. Some guys throw more, in certain rounds but very few are throwing upper 80s to 100+ every round.

Now maybe this will be corrected with the Punch accuracy update, but we will have to wait and see.

Lets post several Compuboxing stats, no select fighters. Just stats to get idea.

http://compuboxonline.com/news.php?news=CompuBox_Stats%3A_Karmazin_KO_10_Miranda&news_id=49&start=0&category_id=7&parent_id=7&arcyear=Y&arcmonth=M

Karmazin vs Miranda (10 Rounds)

Karmazin - 141/498 - 49 average - 28% connect
Miranda - 144/589 - 58 average - 24% connect

http://compuboxonline.com/stat_files/DIA-MAL3.htm

Diaz vs Malignaggi (12 Rounds)

Diaz - 146/516 - 43 average - 28% connect
Malignaggi - 169/802 - 66 average - 21% connect

http://compuboxonline.com/stat_files/KLI-JOH.htm

Vitali Klitschko vs Kevin Johnson (12 Rounds)

Klitschko - 298/1013 - 84 Average - 29%
Johnson - 65/332 - 27 average - 20%