Klitschko vs Solis

[Gibbz]

Re: Klitschko vs Solis

Apparently, Solis injured his knee pretty seriously.

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...ory?id=6239606

I'm pretty surprised at that. I thought he just caught one from Vitali, realized he was in there with a big boy and screamed uncle.

[Complex]

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Solis had nearly a decade long amateur career with 220+ victories, multiple world amateur championships and an Olympic gold medal. Had he had the opportunity to defect earlier he probably would have turned pro much sooner. He wasn't a rookie, but obviously wasn't ready to face someone of Vitali's caliber either.

If he had faced some named competition in those 17 fights, maybe but in his 17 fights he had accomplished nothing. Monte Barrett and Ray Austin are his best wins. Barrett is waaaay past his prime and Austin is no accomplishment.

The Klits greatest advantage is being in 10x better shape than anyone they face.

[djcorrosive]

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If he had faced some named competition in those 17 fights, maybe but in his 17 fights he had accomplished nothing. Monte Barrett and Ray Austin are his best wins. Barrett is waaaay past his prime and Austin is no accomplishment.

The Klits greatest advantage is being in 10x better shape than anyone they face.

Oh, I completely agree. But really, who is there in the heavyweight division to fight? The Klitschkos have nearly cleared out the entire division....they had to put someone in there to fight them. Teddy Atlas is rightfully keeping Povetkin from fighting them until he gets some more experience (but who in the division can you fight to prepare for the Klitschkos?). Adamek is way undersized and belongs back at cruiser-weight. That just leaves Haye, who should get his shot this summer.

Solis may have badly injured his knee, but that blow to the top of his head rubberized his legs. He hurt his knee on the way down. He's never been hit like that before, I'm sure. But again, who else do you put in there?

[djcorrosive]

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I should add the obvious....The only one's really left for the Klitschkos to fight is each other. Something they will never do, unfortunately.

[Mr5000]

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Tell me about it.
I know that Solis had a very distinguished amateur career but this has more to do with how pathetic the HW division is today.
I mean, look at his pro resume and there's nothing that jumps out at you. How did he earn a title fight? By beating Ray Austin? Seriously?

It's a shame how far the heavyweight division has fallen.

[tyreeii]

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It's a shame how far the heavyweight division has fallen.

All of the HW boxers are playing basketball or football. Think about it, 30 years ago boxing was a mainstream sport and the NBA, NFL, NHL were much smaller in comparison. Boxers would be on the cover of sports illustrated and boxing was shown every weekend on ABC's "Wide World of Sports." Granted, I was a little child in those days but the dynamics of sports has greatly changed and people are aware of the brain trauma caused by boxing (more so from training). MY two cents, David Haye better catch Wlad early, if it goes longer than 5 then Haye has no chance.

[Money99]

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All of the HW boxers are playing basketball or football. Think about it, 30 years ago boxing was a mainstream sport and the NBA, NFL, NHL were much smaller in comparison. Boxers would be on the cover of sports illustrated and boxing was shown every weekend on ABC's "Wide World of Sports." Granted, I was a little child in those days but the dynamics of sports has greatly changed and people are aware of the brain trauma caused by boxing (more so from training). MY two cents, David Haye better catch Wlad early, if it goes longer than 5 then Haye has no chance.

So true.
Burt Sugar was asked recently who the best American heavyweights are today and his answer was "Ray Lewis and Brian Urlacher".
It's a shame how far this sport has fallen. Maybe if boxing offered more security for it's athletes we'd have more kids trying to make it in the sport.
5% of today's boxers make 95% of it's earnings. That's a sad stat.
Maybe if more colleges gave scholarships for boxing and maybe if someone like McCain was able to institute a league of sorts that promised fixed wages and health care more kids would try boxing instead of the other team sports.

That's why all the top HW's are European and I don't see that trend ending anytime soon.

[DarkNowitzki78]

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I think the HW Boxing is too boring but that could be changed very quick. It only needs one new real beast fighting machine like Tyson with a bad boy image who KOs everyone in the HW devision no matter what. You know im from Germany and the Klitschkos are everywhere like in TV spots and so on. They are having such a nice and boring image that they make commercials for "Milchschnitte" a snack for children lol. Its so ridiculous....

Thats why im looking forward to the Haye-Klitschko fight because Haye showed several times himself with pictures of the cut off heads from the Klitschkos and dissed them big time eyertime he had the possibility. But i have a feeling that this fight wont happen cause a inury or anything like that will happen before. We will see..

But Money99 your right. Whats up with the USA Heavy Weight Boxers? Im not so deep in this Sport that i can say anything about that but its true that all the current top HW Boxers comming from Europe and im questening myself why is that so??? I mean i loved Tyson, Hollyfield and all the others who dominated the scene for so long and i cant belive that there isnt one who finally KO one of the lame Klitschkos

[biglen]

The Heavyweight division is a joke.
The sooner David Haye cleans house and unifys the division the better

Hahahahahaha, this made my day. What has Haye done to make you think he will "clean "house" in the heavyweight division? What quality fighter has he beat? His last 3 fights were against Harrison, Ruiz, and that big immobile statue Valuev. If you call those quality opponents, then you don't know boxing.

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[acts238shaun]

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There is an agent/promoter who is taking football washouts and getting them into boxing. I read it in ESPN Mag one day waiting on the Doc. Great idea IMO.

[NINJAK2]

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That's the only chance Haye has against either KO bro. If they suddenly age overnight, then he has a chance. But if both brothers are sharp, he doesn't have much of a chance.

With Wlad's chin, anything can happen, but Wlad is a completely different fighter than when he fought Sanders, Brewster or even the first Peter fight.
Since then he's gotten much better of protecting his chin, managing his stamina and he's also added more punches to his arsenal.

Haye's a very good fighter and he can probably beat everyone else out there. But there's a reason why he's been ducking Wlad for a while. He know's he's going to get flattened. I mean, the guy was laid-out by a Cruiswerweight. What's going to happen when he gets a right cross from two of the hardest hitters in the game today?
Haye hasn't exactly fought top competition as a HW. So I'm still very suspicious of his chin and whether or not he can take a few shots from two of the best.

I was under the impression that Wlad was the one ducking Haye. Haye has been calling out the K bros. for years it seems. Vitali has always appealed to me more than his bro. Wlad is the most unentertaing HW champ ever imo. Without seeing his fights I can predict how everyone goes. He uses his Dhalsim street fighter reach to slap jab his smaller opponents, clutches and leans on them when they get inside to tire them draining their energy then proceeds to tear them down as the fight continues.

[tyreeii]

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I was under the impression that Wlad was the one ducking Haye. Haye has been calling out the K bros. for years it seems. Vitali has always appealed to me more than his bro. Wlad is the most unentertaing HW champ ever imo. Without seeing his fights I can predict how everyone goes. He uses his Dhalsim street fighter reach to slap jab his smaller opponents, clutches and leans on them when they get inside to tire them draining their energy then proceeds to tear them down as the fight continues.

LMAO @ the Dhalism reference, I think we are dating ourselves with that one. No, Haye has been ducking them. He had an agreement to fight Wladimir a couple of years ago and he backed out (a month before the fight), citing back issues but rumor has it that there were questions abt his promoter being able to pay him.

Then a few months later he negotiated a contract to fight Vitali and they agreed to it in principle but he used the contract to negotiate a fight with Vualev (he made similar $$$ but it was an easier fight for Haye).

Recently (about 8-9 months ago) he came to an agreement with Wladimir but backed out because he did not like the contract. They were able to reconvene and get a fight date picked out.

That being said, I hope Haye beats Wlad. I think wlad is boring and he fights the same way Lennox Lewis and Thomas Hearns fought. Emmanuel Stewart trains that style of boxing, fire from the outside and grab, hold and lean on them (to tire them out) if they get inside your guard. I hate the style but, it works. I don't think Haye was out and out ducking them but I think he had a timetable in mind. I just hope he is fast enough to counter Wlad, if so expect to see a Corey Sanders type KO of Wlad.

[acts238shaun]

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LMAO @ the Dhalism reference, I think we are dating ourselves with that one.

I just hope he is fast enough to counter Wlad, if so expect to see a Corey Sanders type KO of Wlad.

Yeah, Dhalsim put you to sleep and then pow, Yoga Flame, lol.

I watched that fight...wow. If Sanders would have been in/stayed in shape for his fights he could have given anyone fits in his prime. That big with quick hands AND a southpaw? Sorry to use a pejorative, but when he b**** slapped Vitali in that 1st round of their fight I saw fear in his eyes. Sanders carried age and B-Cups into that fight, and that was the only time I ever saw Vitali scared. Haye doesn't have that power.

Wlad vs. Sanders is what saved Wlad's career. It made him a more defensive fighter and corrected his weaknesses.

[NINJAK2]

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LMAO @ the Dhalism reference, I think we are dating ourselves with that one. No, Haye has been ducking them. He had an agreement to fight Wladimir a couple of years ago and he backed out (a month before the fight), citing back issues but rumor has it that there were questions abt his promoter being able to pay him.

Then a few months later he negotiated a contract to fight Vitali and they agreed to it in principle but he used the contract to negotiate a fight with Vualev (he made similar $$$ but it was an easier fight for Haye).

Recently (about 8-9 months ago) he came to an agreement with Wladimir but backed out because he did not like the contract. They were able to reconvene and get a fight date picked out.

That being said, I hope Haye beats Wlad. I think wlad is boring and he fights the same way Lennox Lewis and Thomas Hearns fought. Emmanuel Stewart trains that style of boxing, fire from the outside and grab, hold and lean on them (to tire them out) if they get inside your guard. I hate the style but, it works. I don't think Haye was out and out ducking them but I think he had a timetable in mind. I just hope he is fast enough to counter Wlad, if so expect to see a Corey Sanders type KO of Wlad.

My mistake on the Haye runnining from Wlad take T. I remember seeing footage about 3-5 years ago of Haye following Wlad in an airport (or somewhere else) and proceeded to follow him up an escalator talking mad trash to him. Calling him a coward and more derogatory names for not fighting him.

It will be very hard for Balrog to get inside on Dhalsim...err I mean Haye on Wlad. Manny has done a great job with making Wlad establish his size and reach in the ring. From what I've seen of Haye he is certainly fast enough to counter.

[Vast]

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That's the only chance Haye has against either KO bro. If they suddenly age overnight, then he has a chance. But if both brothers are sharp, he doesn't have much of a chance.

With Wlad's chin, anything can happen, but Wlad is a completely different fighter than when he fought Sanders, Brewster or even the first Peter fight.
Since then he's gotten much better of protecting his chin, managing his stamina and he's also added more punches to his arsenal.

Haye's a very good fighter and he can probably beat everyone else out there. But there's a reason why he's been ducking Wlad for a while. He know's he's going to get flattened. I mean, the guy was laid-out by a Cruiswerweight. What's going to happen when he gets a right cross from two of the hardest hitters in the game today?
Haye hasn't exactly fought top competition as a HW. So I'm still very suspicious of his chin and whether or not he can take a few shots from two of the best.

Haye has not been laid out by anyone. I watched his only loss and it was a fight that was stopped due to him being completely completely gassed. The ref stopped the fight while he was still standing. He was destroying the dude but blew his wad trying to drop the guy. Carl Thompson took a beating but somehow stayed on his feet. I thought Haye could've still won that fight but his corner threw in the towel.

Rookie mistakes that cost him a loss. He should've never lost that fight. and a bizarre fight imo because he was still standing and still landing power shots and there was only 9 seconds left in the round when the ref stopped it.

Haye is gonna beat Wlad. You heard it here first.