The producers are blaming boxing for this game failure

[BoomerSooner420]

Re: The producers are blaming boxing for this game failure

Your hero pacman dissagrees with you

http://espn.go.com/blog/mma/post/_/id/311/manny-pacquiao-on-mma

Pacquiao was asked by a fan during an ESPN Sports Nation Chat if he would ever try MMA and his thoughts on the sport, his response:

“It’s too violent for me but it’s a sport that should be recognized. It’s a great sport but not the sport for me.”


Thanks for playing though

On a serious note, Pacquiao gets it. Boxing & MMA need each other. Even Dana White of all people recognize that. Hardline MMA fans need to stop gloating because it can go as fast as it came. Hardline boxing fans need to face facts that boxing has a business model problem that plagues it's future.

Bet you think you proved something there huh? Like I ever said that he would WANT to fight in mma. He's a boxer not an mma fighter. What's next? Are you gonna tell me that Lebron doesn't want to play cricket? I think the argument was some "real combat" nonsense, like street fighting I assume. Catch up with the conversation before you spew ignorance.

And yes, boxing as a business has all sorts of problems, most intelligent mma fans can see the flaws the UFC model has as well. The difference is that mma fighters are cheap and Dana White can buy them all, but couldn't afford the salary of 1 PBF or Pac, as I said in a previous post that you obviously ignored.

[BoomerSooner420]

Re: The producers are blaming boxing for this game failure

let us just agree to diagree.....

you believe boxers are superior fighters.
I believe MMA has superior fighters.

case closed.

I only disagree because I don't believe that either would be superior. It's 2 different things. The only similarity is that they both throw punches. Basketball and football both use a ball, right? Does that mean that 1 is better than the other when they play baseball?

It's stupid to speculate, plain and simple. I guess you guys just want to think that mma/UFC is the reason that FNC is struggling (read the thread title) and I don't believe that at all.

[SHAKYR]

Re: The producers are blaming boxing for this game failure

I only disagree because I don't believe that either would be superior. It's 2 different things. The only similarity is that they both throw punches. Basketball and football both use a ball, right? Does that mean that 1 is better than the other when they play baseball?

It's stupid to speculate, plain and simple. I guess you guys just want to think that mma/UFC is the reason that FNC is struggling (read the thread title) and I don't believe that at all.

Thanks for trying to stay on topic because everybody went south with this topic. It's clear cut and plain and simple. The sport of boxing has nothing to do with the game faults. The producers didn't put that much research into actually capturing the mechanics of boxing.

The think sim is a one style of boxing and that is to fight like Ali. They don't realize boxing has many styles, but their personal preference is to brawl and slug. This is why they put emphasis on these ways of boxing.

The producers refuse to put a proper clinch in the game because they don't like clinching. It's a part of the sport so they can't make themselves the commissioners of the virtual world by not having it.

Guys like me who actually boxed and fans of the sport that have watched more than an occasional Pay-Per-View want detail to the sport. I have talked to Andre Ward (twitter) and many other boxers(Facebook and my podcast) and they don't understand why EA doesn't go the NBA 2k11 route with detail and presentation.

[TheShizNo1]

Isn't boxing actually hard to mimic though? W/ shoulder rolling and the way guys can move their heads and tuck their chins?

[SHAKYR]

Re: The producers are blaming boxing for this game failure

Isn't boxing actually hard to mimic though? W/ shoulder rolling and the way guys can move their heads and tuck their chins?

No, it is not I saw many of these simple moves in games like UFC and Smackdown. There sre sensors they can use if they wanted to accomplish these movements or the use of other technology they actually have at their disposal.

Their vision wasn't to capture the true essence of the sport. They made a hybrid game. It's both arcade and some realistic elements. The producers can't say this game is sim if it isn't true to the sport of boxing without the additives.

[phillyfan23]

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I only disagree because I don't believe that either would be superior. It's 2 different things. The only similarity is that they both throw punches. Basketball and football both use a ball, right? Does that mean that 1 is better than the other when they play baseball?

It's stupid to speculate, plain and simple. I guess you guys just want to think that mma/UFC is the reason that FNC is struggling (read the thread title) and I don't believe that at all.

You believe MMAists and boxers can't be compared
I believe MMA has better fighters than boxers.

If Manny Pacquiao gets into a one on one fight with Jose Aldo in a bar.....9 times out of 10 , Pacman ends up in the hospital for broken limbs.

if you don't think so...that is fine too.

you think it's a stupid argument
i think it's a very valid argument

regarding FNC: it didn't sell well because the devs couldn't decide if the game was going to be realistic or arcade. Sliders not working, online exploits.

By the way, I bought all 3 fight games this year.....FNC still has the best offline experience of the 3. Online is a huge mess however.

[SHAKYR]

Re: The producers are blaming boxing for this game failure

You believe MMAists and boxers can't be compared
I believe MMA has better fighters than boxers.

If Manny Pacquiao gets into a one on one fight with Jose Aldo in a bar.....9 times out of 10 , Pacman ends up in the hospital for broken limbs.

if you don't think so...that is fine too.

you think it's a stupid argument
i think it's a very valid argument

regarding FNC: it didn't sell well because the devs couldn't decide if the game was going to be realistic or arcade. Sliders not working, online exploits.

By the way, I bought all 3 fight games this year.....FNC still has the best offline experience of the 3. Online is a huge mess however.

FNC has the better, not the best offline experience I experienced. It has so much potential but the producers didn't implement the wishlist they were giving correctly. The sliders should be more responsive (NBA 2K11-like). They didn't take the fans wants seriously.

[phillyfan23]

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FNC has the better, not the best offline experience I experienced. It has so much potential but the producers didn't implement the wishlist they were giving correctly. The sliders should be more responsive (NBA 2K11-like). They didn't take the fans wants seriously.

of the 3 "sim- fighting games", I had the best time with FNC offline. release version , no patch/tuners. For the most part it was very enjoyable. I am waiting on the last patch to see if they improved offline....if not, delete everything and play on release version again.

Some sliders not only were unresponsive, some of them were broken.....

[BoomerSooner420]

Re: The producers are blaming boxing for this game failure

You believe MMAists and boxers can't be compared
I believe MMA has better fighters than boxers.

If Manny Pacquiao gets into a one on one fight with Jose Aldo in a bar.....9 times out of 10 , Pacman ends up in the hospital for broken limbs.

if you don't think so...that is fine too.

you think it's a stupid argument
i think it's a very valid argument

regarding FNC: it didn't sell well because the devs couldn't decide if the game was going to be realistic or arcade. Sliders not working, online exploits.

By the way, I bought all 3 fight games this year.....FNC still has the best offline experience of the 3. Online is a huge mess however.

Last time I saw a bar fight, 1 guy got hit from behind with a pool cue by the buddy of the other guy. Fight over. Though i'm sure he was gonna slam the guy and lock in a kimura or some such sh**. It is a stupid argument, and even more stupid every time you drag it out, but I guess I fed the trolls, huh?

So, I'm done with the thread, the trolls can have it. In finality I'll just say that the game has issues that aren't caused by the real sports of boxing and mma. A poorly thought out game is hard to sell. Not sim enough for sim fans, not arcade enough for arcade fans, "straddling the fence" as it's been called will usually result in failure on both sides of said fence. I hope the next update does the work, or this game will become little more than a trade in for NCAA 12, for me, a diehard sports fan of all kinds with boxing close to the top of the list.

[phillyfan23]

Re: The producers are blaming boxing for this game failure

Last time I saw a bar fight, 1 guy got hit from behind with a pool cue by the buddy of the other guy. Fight over. Though i'm sure he was gonna slam the guy and lock in a kimura or some such sh**. It is a stupid argument, and even more stupid every time you drag it out, but I guess I fed the trolls, huh?

So, I'm done with the thread, the trolls can have it. In finality I'll just say that the game has issues that aren't caused by the real sports of boxing and mma. A poorly thought out game is hard to sell. Not sim enough for sim fans, not arcade enough for arcade fans, "straddling the fence" as it's been called will usually result in failure on both sides of said fence. I hope the next update does the work, or this game will become little more than a trade in for NCAA 12, for me, a diehard sports fan of all kinds with boxing close to the top of the list.

like I said, according to you it's a stupid argument.
to me , it's a very valid argument.

If Jose Aldo street fights/bar fights pacquiao:

9 times out of 10 aldo will break pacquiao's limbs
1 time out of 10 , freddy roach will break a beer bottle on aldo's head, fight over.

[TheShizNo1]

Can you guys seriously stop this back forth meaningless argument that neither of you will agree on.

[Kashanova]

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I think advertising has alot to do with the sales being down, i had no idea the game was even out. If my 360 were working I probably would own it

[SHAKYR]

Re: The producers are blaming boxing for this game failure

I think advertising has alot to do with the sales being down, i had no idea the game was even out. If my 360 were working I probably would own it

Are you serious? Advertisement was a reason but not the overall reason. The bugs, glitches, and lack of company support is why this game didn't sell well. The word of mouth killed this game.

[Kashanova]

Re: The producers are blaming boxing for this game failure

Are you serious? Advertisement was a reason but not the overall reason. The bugs, glitches, and lack of company support is why this game didn't sell well. The word of mouth killed this game.

I've seriously haven't heard anything... I'll cave and buy just cause i need a boxing fix.... but none of my friends even have the game and no one at work either...

[SHAKYR]

Re: The producers are blaming boxing for this game failure

I've seriously haven't heard anything... I'll cave and buy just cause i need a boxing fix.... but none of my friends even have the game and no one at work either...

Trust me it's a reason no one knew much about Fight Night Champion . My nephews, friends, and family members hear about NBA 2k12 from word of mouth. The TV ads were not what sold them to the game.

I'm a huge boxing fan and have support the Knockout Kings and Fight Night series for many years, but this version I did not buy because so much was wrong. I played my brother's copy.

I even have the producers personal emails but I refuse to support this game.