Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

[simgamer0005]

Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

All the skills in the world don't matter if you can't take a punch....Khan needs to change his style like wlad klitschko did. stay on the outside, pick your spots, fight smart. it's not as exciting, obviously, but if the chin is your weakness you got to protect it!

well you know Khan did change his style after he was KTFO by Prescott. He became a more complete fighter after that one. and it worked for a while he was brilliant against Malignaggi and in other fights since Prescott. He got much better at avoiding the big punches, staying out of range, then coming in and land a few and going in and out. but i think against Garcia he kinda forgot about all that stuff and got lulled into a false sense of security again thinking he was unbeatable.

i think he was thinking so much about making an exciting fight that he forgot about fighting smart and stay on the outside. Khan is not a good inside fighter. I actually think he has a pretty good chin, but Garcia had power. Also when Khan got knocked down the first time, he immediately got up, within a second. he didn't stay on the canvas for 5 or 6 seconds before getting up, like veteran fighters know to do. i think trying to get up so fast from such a hard knockdown contributed to his downfall and the subsequent knockdowns. a very bad night for Khan. will be interesting to see if he can come back from this. Khan does have incredible heart. You gotta give him that.

[JayBee74]

Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

Nice post. Last night I gave Garcia a 35% chance to win...when it turns out all he needed was 20% LOL.

I don't think Khan's power is that bad, it's just that Garcia can take a punch. The punch Khan got caught with was nice... right in the ear and where the jawline starts. A very difficult punch to absorb.

Yeah, Khan looked pretty powerful in those first two rounds. Garcia absorbed those punches well, and then started shooting his left hook out there.

[Complex]

Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

well you know Khan did change his style after he was KTFO by Prescott. He became a more complete fighter after that one. and it worked for a while he was brilliant against Malignaggi and in other fights since Prescott. He got much better at avoiding the big punches, staying out of range, then coming in and land a few and going in and out. but i think against Garcia he kinda forgot about all that stuff and got lulled into a false sense of security again thinking he was unbeatable.

i think he was thinking so much about making an exciting fight that he forgot about fighting smart and stay on the outside. Khan is not a good inside fighter. I actually think he has a pretty good chin, but Garcia had power. Also when Khan got knocked down the first time, he immediately got up, within a second. he didn't stay on the canvas for 5 or 6 seconds before getting up, like veteran fighters know to do. i think trying to get up so fast from such a hard knockdown contributed to his downfall and the subsequent knockdowns. a very bad night for Khan. will be interesting to see if he can come back from this. Khan does have incredible heart. You gotta give him that.

Paulie isn't exactly a test for a weak chin. Khan wins this fight vs Garcia if he simply took his time, wore Garcia down and took home a decision. The money for the win is the same.

[N51_rob]

I think at this point Khan may want to switch trainers to Roger Mayweather or some other defensive minded trainer. He can't take big shot so he needs to just not get hit. He needs to go back to "hit and not get hit" boxing.

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[edaddy]

Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

Nice post. Last night I gave Garcia a 35% chance to win...when it turns out all he needed was 20% LOL.

I don't think Khan's power is that bad, it's just that Garcia can take a punch. The punch Khan got caught with was nice... right in the ear and where the jawline starts. A very difficult punch to absorb.

Agreed the key to the whole fight was that garcia could take a punch truthfully Khan busted him up and got overconfident in the trenches..That hook by Garcia was a perfect shot that Khan simply couldnt recover from..Khan has the speed and skills to give anyone a good fight his problem is that he has to stick to the plan and remain focus..he got into a slugging match with Garcia when in reality it couldve been an easy 12 rd decisicion if not a late round TKO if he simply stuck to outboxing and outspeeding him getting in and out...Garcia is hardly elite IMO but he had a punchers chance..He had no clue how to solve Jhans speed and reach and swung for the fences..Thats what makes boxing great..

[edaddy]

Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

Paulie isn't exactly a test for a weak chin. Khan wins this fight vs Garcia if he simply took his time, wore Garcia down and took home a decision. The money for the win is the same.

Bingo...and thats what he was doing why he didnt stick to the plan is beyond me...

[JayBee74]

Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

Paulie isn't exactly a test for a weak chin. Khan wins this fight vs Garcia if he simply took his time, wore Garcia down and took home a decision. The money for the win is the same.

Don't know about that. Lets not discount the fact that the key punch of the fight was a very good left hook that landed in a very vulnerable spot just above the neck and behind the ear.




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[Kanobi]

Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

I was surprised the ref didn't stop the fight after the 1st knockdown. I just get the feeling had it been Garcia and not Khan, the fight would've been stopped.

[JayBee74]

Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

I was surprised the ref didn't stop the fight after the 1st knockdown. I just get the feeling had it been Garcia and not Khan, the fight would've been stopped.

I didn't think he'd stop in then because the time left in the round was winding down.

[Money99]

Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

I don't understand the push for Khan to move up to 147 when he is getting dropped at 140. Maybe I'm missing something.

I've read a few things that suggest that Khan has struggled to make 140 the last few fights.
I'm wondering if he's draining himself?
Moving up to 147 will only decrease his power, but if he truly is being drained in getting down to 140, that problem will be gone.
And then maybe Roach, or another trainer, can convince him that he's a 12-round fighter that needs to win on points, and not stoppages.

[Dogslax41]

Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

I was surprised the ref didn't stop the fight after the 1st knockdown. I just get the feeling had it been Garcia and not Khan, the fight would've been stopped.

I agree. Khan clearly was having a tough time figuring out where he was even up to the restart. And really though it could have been stopped after the restart after the second knockdown because it didn't look like Kahn knew what was going on, but to his credit despite looking like he didn't know his name, throw some good punches that actually landed.

I was pulling for Garcia and was actually worried he might het caught in those exchanges because he was swinging for the fences. He showed some solid ring sense to realize he was starting to punch himself out and pulled back a bit, relaxed and finished the fight.

[N51_rob]

Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

I think its a compliment to the quality of the Ref. Yes Khan was hurt, but given a chance to make it out of the round he did, and despite losing the 4th clearly. There was a chance that he might've got out of the 4th, but I think that a good ref will give a proven fighter a chance to survive. Had no problem with the stoppage and wouldn't if he had stopped it in the 3rd, but Khan was clearly still slipping punches in the 4th and throwing stuff back. His problem was his legs were still in the 3rd round.

[WelshWizard]

Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

I agree the ref did very well. When Khan first went down he looked way out of it and I would of stopped it. Then he did the body popping . Next round he looked like he was coming back in to it but his legs were already gone.

His glass chin wasn't the problem but his lack of constant defence and he got over confident and tried to end it instead of sticking to the plan and what he did in the first round and box smart.

[cjallure24]

Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

Kenny Bayless is a top notch ref, and should work just about every big title bout. He gave Khan two chances, when others would have probably stopped it after the first KD. That bout should be used for training for up and coming refs, hell, throw some of these refs working bouts now.

[Complex]

Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

See this where Floyd excels, he sticks to a game plan and adjust when necessary. Garcia really kept throwing the same haymaker and somehow Khan did not figure that out. He could've easily won this fight, but showed his true weakness....lack of focus for 12 rounds.