Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

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  • cjallure24
    Hail To The Redskins!
    • May 2007
    • 2319

    #46
    Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

    Originally posted by Complex
    See this where Floyd excels, he sticks to a game plan and adjust when necessary. Garcia really kept throwing the same haymaker and somehow Khan did not figure that out. He could've easily won this fight, but showed his true weakness....lack of focus for 12 rounds.
    Floyd has been a defensive fighter his entire career, and to this point you can argue Khan has faced better competition early in his career then Floyd stuff when he was Khan's age. But i'm not going to compare those two because Floyd is in a class by himself, and composing him and Khan is utterly ridiculous. Khan is a young offensive minded fighter, who hasn't really put it all together as of yet. Hopefully, he gets another shot, because he had not ducked a single fighter IMO, and if anything that alone warrants him another shot, not to mention, the way he picked himself up and continued to battle back. Unlike Victor Ortiz, who would have probably have up aster the first KD.

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    • JayBee74
      Hall Of Fame
      • Jul 2002
      • 22989

      #47
      Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

      Garcia was relaxed, Khan wasn't.

      Garcia was patient, Khan wasn't.

      Garcia has a chin. Khan doesn't.

      The biggest threat to Garcia in this fight was the cut.

      Sometimes you can't teach an old dog (or young dog) new tricks, even if the teacher is Freddy Roach. Khan's best defense is his offense and his combination of speed and power is pretty impressive. He obviously doesn't want to sit on his assets, he wants to use them. I'm not sure Freddy Roach told him otherwise. I'm not sure Freddy Roach could change anything about Khan's approach.

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      • simgamer0005
        MVP
        • Feb 2010
        • 1772

        #48
        Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

        Originally posted by JayBee74
        Garcia was relaxed, Khan wasn't.

        Garcia was patient, Khan wasn't.

        Garcia has a chin. Khan doesn't.
        I think the first two are right, but i think Khan has a pretty good chin. The punch in the 3rd round didn't land on his chin. He got hit with a bomb in a devastating place, near the neck. I think that same punch at that location would end the fight immediately for many other boxers. it hurt Khan, but he popped right back up and continued to fight for another round or so. (probably popped back up too fast) I think that shows incredible heart and actually a pretty good chin. the problem isn't the strength of Khan's chin, it was his strategy and the fact that he left himself vulnerable to a shot like that by being too aggressive.

        Against Maidana and Peterson, Khan took many hard punches and didn't go down and went the distance. You gotta give Garcia credit for setting up Khan for a looping punch like that. Interestingly, Khan's camp wants a rematch in December, while Angel Garcia, Danny Garcia's father, was adament about not giving Khan a rematch in the post fight press conference, saying that Khan disrespected them leading up the the fight, saying stuff like Danny wants to fight the best, suggesting that Khan isn't anymore. It's very interesting, because Khan never really lobbied to rematch Prescott after he was knocked out then. I think this fight was very personal for both guys.

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        • JayBee74
          Hall Of Fame
          • Jul 2002
          • 22989

          #49
          Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

          Originally posted by simgamer0005
          I think the first two are right, but i think Khan has a pretty good chin.
          I gotta admit I might have been caught up by too many opinions on Khan's chin*, and the one round KO to Prescott a few years back. Although he's been hurt a few times, he's only been KOed twice. I think his "Chin Ceiling" is average though.

          The Prescott KO was much more devastating then this. Khan didn't even ask for a rematch. He was tagged with some vicious punches.

          *Including Carl Froch who has weighed in on Khan, and pretty much said he should retire.

          EDIT: Appears Froch now backs Khan getting his title back.
          Last edited by JayBee74; 07-17-2012, 06:01 PM.

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          • JayBee74
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jul 2002
            • 22989

            #50
            Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

            Interesting aftereffects of this fight. Carl Froch says he was misquoted about suggesting Khan should retire. He said HE would retire if it was him because of the age factor (Froch is 35, Khan is 25).

            Froch was reacting to Khan's comment about him.

            "Carl's always got his little things to say, I think I'll leave it at that really"

            Khan is also considering replacing Freddie Roach.

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            • N51_rob
              Faceuary!
              • Jul 2003
              • 14805

              #51
              Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

              Originally posted by JayBee74
              Interesting aftereffects of this fight. Carl Froch says he was misquoted about suggesting Khan should retire. He said HE would retire if it was him because of the age factor (Froch is 35, Khan is 25).

              Froch was reacting to Khan's comment about him.

              "Carl's always got his little things to say, I think I'll leave it at that really"

              Khan is also considering replacing Freddie Roach.
              I think this is a good idea. Roach doesn't seem to focus enough on defense with his fighters. Manny, has shown that he can take a punch so he will get hit to hit his opponent even if he gets rocked. Khan has shown that he can't really box that way. Khan has the offensive skill, he needs a trainer that will teach him how to avoid the big shots. Floyd Sr gave Ricky Hatton the blue print to beating Pacquio for example but Ricky refused to listen or couldn't execute the game plan.
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              • Complex
                MVP
                • Oct 2005
                • 2494

                #52
                Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

                Originally posted by cjallure24
                Floyd has been a defensive fighter his entire career, and to this point you can argue Khan has faced better competition early in his career then Floyd stuff when he was Khan's age. But i'm not going to compare those two because Floyd is in a class by himself, and composing him and Khan is utterly ridiculous. Khan is a young offensive minded fighter, who hasn't really put it all together as of yet. Hopefully, he gets another shot, because he had not ducked a single fighter IMO, and if anything that alone warrants him another shot, not to mention, the way he picked himself up and continued to battle back. Unlike Victor Ortiz, who would have probably have up aster the first KD.
                Untrue. The reality is Floyd took out some stiff comp and well good fighters early in his career. Hernandez and Manfredy comes to mind. The kid has been good a long time, many didn't start following him until he hit 140.
                Last edited by Complex; 07-20-2012, 05:24 AM.
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                • Complex
                  MVP
                  • Oct 2005
                  • 2494

                  #53
                  Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

                  Originally posted by N51_rob
                  I think this is a good idea. Roach doesn't seem to focus enough on defense with his fighters. Manny, has shown that he can take a punch so he will get hit to hit his opponent even if he gets rocked. Khan has shown that he can't really box that way. Khan has the offensive skill, he needs a trainer that will teach him how to avoid the big shots. Floyd Sr gave Ricky Hatton the blue print to beating Pacquio for example but Ricky refused to listen or couldn't execute the game plan.
                  I doubt Roach told him to go bang and slug in this fight. For the first two rounds, khan was winning. He was faster, in and out. As he took more risk, he started to get hit. He never settled down and figured out what was happening.
                  Last edited by Complex; 07-20-2012, 05:24 AM.
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                  • JayBee74
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 22989

                    #54
                    Re: Khan vs Garcia - HBO BAD 07-14-2012

                    Originally posted by Complex
                    I doubt Roach told him to go bang and slug in this fight. For the first two rounds, khan was winning. He was faster, in and out. As he took more risk, he started to get hit. He never settled down and figured out what was happening.
                    He was taking some shots in those first two rounds despite winning them. He was "risk taking" from the opening bell.

                    All in all a damn good fight.

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