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[pk500]

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I wonder about the Jacobs fight as well. Is GGG getting older? Or is/was Jacobs a better fighter than initially thought?

Two factors at work. One, Daniel Jacobs is a better fighter than most thought. Two, he was the toughest opponent GGG has fought to date. I don't know if GGG lost a mph off his fastball or looked less dominant because Jacobs was easily his best opponent to date.

Canelo has an unwarranted reputation for power due to his compact, wrestler-like build. As others have said, the guy gets most of his knockouts from his outstanding upstairs-downstairs combinations and counterpunching, not by destructive, one-punch detonations. He has average power at 154, which probably also will be the case at 160.

[aholbert32]

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I'm always shocked when I hear about boxers going to the UFC.

It's such a long row to hoe. Sure, they have striking down, but they have to learn so many other things. And they know going into fights that nobody is going to stand and trade with them.

If they can't figure out how to defend against take-downs, or fight from the mat, they're sunk.

They will stand with Berto because they have more weapons when you factor in kicks, elbows and knees and the clinch game. A guy like Max Holloway or Aldo (strikers) isn't going to shoot for a takedown just because he is a former boxing champion.


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[pk500]

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They will stand with Berto because they have more weapons when you factor in kicks, elbows and knees and the clinch game. A guy like Max Holloway or Aldo (strikers) isn't going to shoot for a takedown just because he is a former boxing champion.


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Exactly. Striking technique in boxing is different to that in MMA.

Just look at McGregor last Saturday night. As aholbert32 pointed out, he used the same stance and posture in the ring that he usually uses in the octagon, and that confused the hell out of Mayweather for the first three rounds.

They. Are. Very. Different. Sports. Period.

[sheredia]

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It could be but if the Jacobs fight was an outlier, it may not be. Canelo has B+ power for a junior middleweight but couldn't even take out a Skinny Junior at +plus+160. Granted Chavez has a chin and he wasn't putting himself out there, but Canelo might have well been fighting a retreating heavy (or skinny) bag. Jacobs can bang and Lemieux can demolish so I doubt GGG is going to be intimidated by Canelo's power. It will be interesting (obvious statement).

i'm hoping for fight of the year as well. i don't see either guy backing down or going down for that matter. we've waited a long time for this fight. i do believe it will be worth the wait. if he beats GGG, he's the best ever. my reason being he didn't avoid floyd to protect his undefeated record (which he could have) and beating the man floyd never wanted to fight (instead a pro debut from a UFC superstar to end his career).

[sheredia]

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Exactly. Striking technique in boxing is different to that in MMA.

Just look at McGregor last Saturday night. As aholbert32 pointed out, he used the same stance and posture in the ring that he usually uses in the octagon, and that confused the hell out of Mayweather for the first three rounds.

They. Are. Very. Different. Sports. Period.

conor was impressive to say the least. i don't think floyd was though. but to be honest, paulie would have used the same strategy as floyd and wait for conor to tire out by around the 10th and throw a flurry of punches and have the ref stop the fight. paulie's power wouldn't have even mattered and even he would have looked like a knockout artist against conor.

[pk500]

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i'm hoping for fight of the year as well. i don't see either guy backing down or going down for that matter. we've waited a long time for this fight. i do believe it will be worth the wait. if he beats GGG, he's the best ever. my reason being he didn't avoid floyd to protect his undefeated record (which he could have) and beating the man floyd never wanted to fight (instead a pro debut from a UFC superstar to end his career).

The best ever? Please, please, please.

Better than Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon or Bernard Hopkins at 160? Not to mention the greatest fighter ever, Sugar Ray Robinson, spent time at middleweight.

Man, that's some good stuff you're smoking.

[JayBee74]

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i'm hoping for fight of the year as well. i don't see either guy backing down or going down for that matter. we've waited a long time for this fight. i do believe it will be worth the wait. if he beats GGG, he's the best ever. my reason being he didn't avoid floyd to protect his undefeated record (which he could have) and beating the man floyd never wanted to fight (instead a pro debut from a UFC superstar to end his career).

Remember why Canelo has to take this fight. It's not like his honor figures in more than 10%.



If Alvarez prevails I'd consider moving him up a bit on the pound for pound but greatest ever? The problem is GGG has not achieved "really great" status yet.

[N51_rob]

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Canelo vs GGG could go down in the vein of Hopkins vs Trinidad for me. One of them is gonna be exposed a bit in this fight IMO.

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[sheredia]

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The best ever? Please, please, please.

Better than Marvin Hagler, Carlos Monzon or Bernard Hopkins at 160? Not to mention the greatest fighter ever, Sugar Ray Robinson, spent time at middleweight.

Man, that's some good stuff you're smoking.

just making fun of floyd's moniker, that's all.....lol. NO WAY he's better than those guys you mentioned.

[sheredia]

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Remember why Canelo has to take this fight. It's not like his honor figures in more than 10%.



If Alvarez prevails I'd consider moving him up a bit on the pound for pound but greatest ever? The problem is GGG has not achieved "really great" status yet.

good points, jaybee.....like i said, i wasn't serious....lol. actually, this is the first real test for both fighters. GGG's first high caliber opponent and canelo's first opponent with real knockout power.

[JayBee74]

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good points, jaybee.....like i said, i wasn't serious....lol. actually, this is the first real test for both fighters. GGG's first high caliber opponent and canelo's first opponent with real knockout power.

LOL, I should have seen that duh....

[JayBee74]

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good points, jaybee.....like i said, i wasn't serious....lol. actually, this is the first real test for both fighters. GGG's first high caliber opponent and canelo's first opponent with real knockout power.

Although Kirkland can hit, his head always seems elsewhere.

EDIT: I didn't realize Gervonta Davis forfeited his IBF title because he didn't make weight. Is 135 next?

[gmac0322]

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I don't think Jacobs is too shabby of a test for ggg

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[sheredia]

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given conor's impressive showing, and apparently praise from mike tyson who graded him an A for his performance, this could have given boxing a much needed shot in the arm it needed and conor could venture over more in the future if he makes more money boxing. he could use this as leverage too. this could actually help both sports. bring over some MMA fans to boxing and some boxing fans to UFC to watch conor fight in the future. there could be some interest in fighting paulie now. conor knows exactly why he lost to floyd if you saw his interview after the fight. he can correct some critical errors he made for his next bout. paulie can settle his score with conor in an official fight as well. if they set the bout for 10 rounds, that would work much more in conor's favor.

[aholbert32]

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given conor's impressive showing, and apparently praise from mike tyson who graded him an A for his performance, this could have given boxing a much needed shot in the arm it needed and conor could venture over more in the future if he makes more money boxing. he could use this as leverage too. this could actually help both sports. bring over some MMA fans to boxing and some boxing fans to UFC to watch conor fight in the future. there could be some interest in fighting paulie now. conor knows exactly why he lost to floyd if you saw his interview after the fight. he can correct some critical errors he made for his next bout. paulie can settle his score with conor in an official fight as well. if they set the bout for 10 rounds, that would work much more in conor's favor.

There is no money in a Paulie fight no matter how bad Paulie wants it. He isnt known to people other than hardcore boxing fans. Most MMA fans enjoyed the fight but arent interested in paying for another Conor boxing fight. They want Conor v. Ferguson or Conor v. Diaz. The draw of the Mayweather fight was to see what Conor looks like in a boxing fight. Now that we've seen it, there is no big rush to see him again in a ring.

Boxing doesnt need a "shot in the arm" though. Canelo/GGG will do well. ESPN just committed long term to Top Rank boxing and Arum is putting big fights there.