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[sheredia]

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Poor comparison. Tyson barely trained for that fight, with his friends as his corner men. GGG trained like an animal, anticipating the Canelo rematch, with the great Abel Sanchez in his corner.

this is true....tyson was ripe for an upset. GGG is not. he easily disposed of his opponent tonight. he's ready for canelo in september.

[Money99]

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It isn’t mentioned much but I totally agree I thought Castillo beat him too.


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It really is amazing how their first fight is barely referenced.
And this was at a weight which I felt Floyd was at his most dominant form.
Castillo definitely won their first bout.
But kudo's to Floyd for taking the rematch and dominating it.

BUT, it still shouldn't be overlooked the Floyd should have an L on his record.

[Money99]

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Tyson's corner men didn't even bring ice bags or an end swell into the corner for the fight. So they used the famous rubber glove filled with cold water as an end swell, as JayBee's great photo shows.

Those idiots should have been charged with reckless endangerment! But it was Tyson's fault; he wanted to be surrounded by sycophants and yes men instead of proper trainers like Cus d'Amato (who had died by then) and his assistant, Kevin Rooney.

If anyone is interested, read the book "The Last Great Fight":

https://www.amazon.ca/Last-Great-Fight-Extraordinary-Changed/dp/0312353316

It has a tonne of insight info on the Tyson-Douglas bout.
Most info is out there, such as Tyson not bothering to train and spending his time enjoying Japanese prostitutes and watching Kung-fu movies.
But some other great nibblets were in there.

- Tyson employed Greg Page as his sparring partner. Everyone recalls that Page floored Tyson in sparring prior to this fight.
But I didn't know that when Tyson was still Tyson and training right, he destroyed and humbled Page in a previous training camp. The way they describe it, it was a complete destruction.
Page was so embarrassed that he trained for the Douglas training camp like he was fighting for the championship.
He was the one that totally dominated Tyson in Tokyo.
And I recall Page being a very legit prospect at one point.

- Tyson refused to do his roadwork, but his team still got their runs in.
One early morning with Team Tyson on the road, they saw this big dude in work boots running ahead. Someone quickly recognized it as being Douglas so they figured they'd try to help Tyson's chances by intimidating Douglas.
The plan was to catch-up and surround him, hoping to rattle him a bit.
When they reached him, it was obvious that Douglas had already been out running a lot longer than they had. But when Douglas saw them, he kicked it into high gear and left them all in the dust.
One of the Tyson team members found out he had run 15 miles that day and looked like he could have run another 5 without much effort.
It was then Team Tyson knew their man was in a lot of trouble.

Give it a read if any of you are interested.

Regarding Rooney, I think it's quite obvious Tyson fired them because they forced him to work so hard. Rooney used to padlock the fridge because Tyson was always eating.
They'd throw him a bone once in a while by allowing him to eat Captain Crunch without milk.

The sad part is, Tyson was renowned for his work ethic. Holyfield even said that when they trained together in the Olympics that nobody worked harder than Mike. He blew everyone away with his preparation. Even at 17, he was training like a pro.

Another sad note is that in the book Bad Intentions, it was said that Mike wanted to retire after the Spinks fight. He was tired of the training, pressure, etc... I can't say I blame him.
He was barely 23 and had already had nearly 40 fights. From the time he was 13, he'd been working and training like a maniac.
Bill Cayton had convinced Mike to stay with him and not sign with Don King.
The plan was to fight 4 more times and then retire.
If memory serves, his final 4 fights would have been against Bruno, Douglas, Ruddock and then Holyfield.
I would have loved to see how a prime, focused and properly trained Tyson would have done against all 4.
Oh well...

Sorry guys, realized I went down a weird Tyson Rabbit hole there.
I'm a huge, huge Tyson fan. So much so, I have to force myself to watch the Douglas fight.
When the anniversary of that fight is played on TSN (like it always is), I cringe and rarely tune in.

[Money99]

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this is true....tyson was ripe for an upset. GGG is not. he easily disposed of his opponent tonight. he's ready for canelo in september.

He did get tagged by that right-hand in the first round that seemed to stun him.
But he clearly took it up a notch after that, lol

Everyone is ragging on GGG for not taking on a better opponent.
But what was he supposed to do? Saunders didn't want it. O'Sullivan, a DLH fighter, wasn't allowed to fill in. Jacobs was training for his own fight.

I hope the Yellow rematch happens in September, but honestly I'd rather he fight Saunders.
He already beat a roided-up Alvarez convincingly and I'd love nothing more than to see DLH/Yellow lose out on that sweet rematch money. Not to mention it will seriously taint Alvarez's career if he's not allowed to fight Golovkin again.
But there's simply too much money at stake for Triple-G to not fight him.

[JayBee74]

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Sorry guys, realized I went down a weird Tyson Rabbit hole there.
I'm a huge, huge Tyson fan. So much so, I have to force myself to watch the Douglas fight.
When the anniversary of that fight is played on TSN (like it always is), I cringe and rarely tune in.

I've watched the fight several times and when a friend of mine accidentally damaged a VHS tape of that fight that I loaned him it became the final straw.

I was in awe of the fight and the result-it was clearly the greatest upset in boxing history. What did Larry Merchant say? "It makes Cinderella look like a sad story."

[JayBee74]

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Do not send welterweights or junior middleweights in to fight GGG.

[miamikb2001]

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It really is amazing how their first fight is barely referenced.

And this was at a weight which I felt Floyd was at his most dominant form.

Castillo definitely won their first bout.

But kudo's to Floyd for taking the rematch and dominating it.



BUT, it still shouldn't be overlooked the Floyd should have an L on his record.

Couldn’t agree more.It always bothered me that he had the 0 when clearly he lost that first fight.Too his credit I don’t Think he came very close to losing again,outside of maybe the Oscar fight which I personally didn’t think was as close as the split decision.


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[pk500]

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Do not send welterweights or junior middleweights in to fight GGG.

Especially ones who haven't fought in two years.

[Money99]

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Do not send welterweights or junior middleweights in to fight GGG.

Unless he's consuming contaminated meat.

[JayBee74]

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Just saw highlights of some brutal shots that Bellow landed against Haye.

Leaves Bellow to "bellow" about how good he is when he actually just beat a washed up fighter who was never really good as a heavyweight. Haye's optimum weight class (cruiser-weight) just happened to be the most ignored division in boxing.

It's kind of irritating to hear him call out the pound for pound king (Andre Ward) when he got manhandled by Adonis Stevenson at 175 and had a loss to Nathan Cleverly in that same weight class. I realized he's proposing a cruiser-weight battle with Ward but I agree with Paulie Malignaggi who said he couldn't beat Ward or the top cruiser-weights.

[pk500]

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Just saw highlights of some brutal shots that Bellow landed against Haye.

Leaves Bellow to "bellow" about how good he is when he actually just beat a washed up fighter who was never really good as a heavyweight. Haye's optimum weight class (cruiser-weight) just happened to be the most ignored division in boxing.

It's kind of irritating to hear him call out the pound for pound king (Andre Ward) when he got manhandled by Adonis Stevenson at 175 and had a loss to Nathan Cleverly in that same weight class. I realized he's proposing a cruiser-weight battle with Ward but I agree with Paulie Malignaggi who said he couldn't beat Ward or the top cruiser-weights.

Guess Bellew missed the memo that Ward is retired.

Ward, unlike most fighters, has managed and saved his money VERY well. He doesn't need to comeback fight to ensure a solid retirement plan for himself and his family. Plus he has the HBO analysis gig for additional income.

No amount of sh*t-talking from a clown like Bellew will draw a Hall of Famer like Ward back into the ring. Bellew is a nobody. A Ward-Bellew fight might attract less than 100K PPV viewers in North America and definitely less than 500K on regular HBO.

[JayBee74]

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A Ward-Bellew fight might attract less than 100K PPV viewers in North America and definitely less than 500K on regular HBO.

I wonder if Sky TV receipts would make it worth Ward's while? Bellow and Haye reportedly split almost $7 million for this fight and Sky Sports Box Office estimated between 500K-800K buys although there sale at rate is around $25 unlike the $70 for a USA PPV bout.

Probably not as Ward would have to be guaranteed $10 million to consider it, and they couldn't reach that number.

[pk500]

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I wonder if Sky TV receipts would make it worth Ward's while? Bellow and Haye reportedly split almost $7 million for this fight and Sky Sports Box Office estimated between 500K-800K buys although there sale at rate is around $25 unlike the $70 for a USA PPV bout.

Probably not as Ward would have to be guaranteed $10 million to consider it, and they couldn't reach that number.

I know it's hard to believe about a boxer, but Ward doesn't need money. He apparently has managed his purses VERY well, much like Larry Holmes, who invested his money into real estate and now owns about half of his hometown, Easton, Pennsylvania.

[sheredia]

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Just saw highlights of some brutal shots that Bellow landed against Haye.

Leaves Bellow to "bellow" about how good he is when he actually just beat a washed up fighter who was never really good as a heavyweight. Haye's optimum weight class (cruiser-weight) just happened to be the most ignored division in boxing.

It's kind of irritating to hear him call out the pound for pound king (Andre Ward) when he got manhandled by Adonis Stevenson at 175 and had a loss to Nathan Cleverly in that same weight class. I realized he's proposing a cruiser-weight battle with Ward but I agree with Paulie Malignaggi who said he couldn't beat Ward or the top cruiser-weights.

it would be nice to promote the creed tie-in as well....maybe ward can use this fight to gauge how well he would do against heavyweights.

[sheredia]

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I've watched the fight several times and when a friend of mine accidentally damaged a VHS tape of that fight that I loaned him it became the final straw.

I was in awe of the fight and the result-it was clearly the greatest upset in boxing history. What did Larry Merchant say? "It makes Cinderella look like a sad story."

the hbo legendary nights piece on this fight is excellent as well.....still can't believe they never released that remarkable documentary series on dvd. or even added more fights to series for that matter.