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[edaddy]

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Lomo could very well not want a rematch but since his camp excluded a rematch clause it's Teo that is saying there will be no rematch. He's even talking about campaigning for the 140 crown.

I wouldn't blame Lomo for not wanting another go-around with this guy -the size differential was stark and he's only getting older. Add to that the guy he's facing has a couple of bazookas at his disposal.

If Im Temo Im looking to fight a name that is beatable but will bring in the loot. Someone who will make him look like the guy that finally shuts this dudes mouth that dude is Adrien Broner...A Lopez vs Broner fight in MSG will really launch him...

[pietasterp]

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If Im Temo Im looking to fight a name that is beatable but will bring in the loot. Someone who will make him look like the guy that finally shuts this dudes mouth that dude is Adrien Broner...A Lopez vs Broner fight in MSG will really launch him...

Now you're thinking like a 2020 boxing promoter!

Yeah, no point in a rematch there - it would only be worse for Loma I think. There are a lot of good fights at 135 for Lopez, but they're all super-high risk for him and in the true spirit of boxing matchmaking logic, why take a risk when you have nothing but downside? Taking on the winner of Gervonta Davis - Leo Santa Cruz would be a great fight (although I know those guys are campaigning at 130 currently), but it's all downside and no upside (except in fans' hearts, which are worth $0 to the promoters). Actually, taking on either Santa Cruz or Davis would be a lot of fun.

[JayBee74]

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Yeah, no point in a rematch there - it would only be worse for Loma I think.

Yeah, but now we know:

(1) Lomo had shoulder surgery on Monday.
(2) Six weeks ago his camp reported a treatment injection to the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association and the Nevada State Athletic Commission.
(3) He missed a week of training.
(4) He reaggravated the injury in the second round of Saturday night's fight.
(5) His doctor said that Lomo needed the surgery immediately.

Although this is a credible excuse for Lomo not being 100% he's had right shoulder surgery in 2018 so his physical ailments might more suggest retirement than another bout with Lopez.

[pietasterp]

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Good points above.

He may well hang 'em up. It's not like there's anything he hasn't accomplished and presumably, he should be fine financially. Although he's still relatively young.

[allBthere]

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Good points above.

He may well hang 'em up. It's not like there's anything he hasn't accomplished and presumably, he should be fine financially. Although he's still relatively young.

I don't think he will, that's a really crappy anti-climactic way to go out. If he has that fire inside, I think he'll want another go at Lopez even though my take on that is obviously in the minority.

I'd also like to know the detail of his injury, how did he injur it, what is it (rotator cuff?) and what in the 2nd round aggravated it because he only threw the 2 left straights, maybe it was a block or something idk - not to mention there was no visible evidence of an injury - his display in 8,9,10,11 looked vintage

[allBthere]

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and I got what I wanted! lol great article with a bunch of new info at least to me:

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-ill-explain-financial-implications-rematch-lopez-loma-up-them--152643?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

HE WANTS A REMATCH

[edaddy]

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and I got what I wanted! lol great article with a bunch of new info at least to me:

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-ill-explain-financial-implications-rematch-lopez-loma-up-them--152643?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

HE WANTS A REMATCH

This is hilarious ..Im not saying he didn't have discomfort in his shoulder after all it was surgically repaired prior to this fight but to make it look like he was in such pain and distress before the fight and during the fight that it affected his performance is hyperbole at best. He looked fine when he decided to throw punches back or rather had to fight back to remain competitive in the fight. He had a arthroscopic surgery after the fight where it basically cleaned out loose cartilage. Do you know how many boxers walk around with loose cartilage due to training ?..Its more than you think...I did not see a clamoring for a rematch after the fight because he was fresh off feeling what that kid did to him...He has to campaign for one now to save face much like Wilder is doing...The only reason the punch count stayed close was because Lomo didn't throw any any did not engage to force punches thrown..Lopez basically dared him to fight...On any night Lopez is too big too strong and to fast for Lomo and on top of that he aint no punk...I have respect for Lomo but cmon man take it like a man and get back to gaining respect...Its either I didn't fight the first six rounds to make him tired or I didn't fight the first 6 rounds because my shoulder hurt?..which one is it...because his shoulder magically healed rounds 8-11..

[allBthere]

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This is hilarious ..Im not saying he didn't have discomfort in his shoulder after all it was surgically repaired prior to this fight but to make it look like he was in such pain and distress before the fight and during the fight that it affected his performance is hyperbole at best. He looked fine when he decided to throw punches back or rather had to fight back to remain competitive in the fight. He had a arthroscopic surgery after the fight where it basically cleaned out loose cartilage. Do you know how many boxers walk around with loose cartilage due to training ?..Its more than you think...I did not see a clamoring for a rematch after the fight because he was fresh off feeling what that kid did to him...He has to campaign for one now to save face much like Wilder is doing...The only reason the punch count stayed close was because Lomo didn't throw any any did not engage to force punches thrown..Lopez basically dared him to fight...On any night Lopez is too big too strong and to fast for Lomo and on top of that he aint no punk...I have respect for Lomo but cmon man take it like a man and get back to gaining respect...Its either I didn't fight the first six rounds to make him tired or I didn't fight the first 6 rounds because my shoulder hurt?..which one is it...because his shoulder magically healed rounds 8-11..

Oh I don't disagree with you, but I'm HAPPY about the possibility of a rematch and glad that Arum wants it too. It will still be among the top $ fights in 2021 if Corona would kindly gtfo - and as I said numerous times I personally think it would be a wildly entertaining fight after and because of the first one.

[edaddy]

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Oh I don't disagree with you, but I'm HAPPY about the possibility of a rematch and glad that Arum wants it too. It will still be among the top $ fights in 2021 if Corona would kindly gtfo - and as I said numerous times I personally think it would be a wildly entertaining fight after and because of the first one.

I would be highly surprised if Lomo actually goes through with a rematch as his next fight. I agree it left enough on the table to command dollars but people who know the sport know what's going to happen next. I view this as another Fury-Wilder situation whereas Fury came into the second fight completely confident because he essentially beat him the first fight...Lopez knows that Lomo respects his power too much and he will be afforded the opportunity to sit and potshot..Lomo knows if he turns up the heat from the giddy up he is putting his health,KO chances, and reputation on the line.Funny thing is when Lomo did land he had Lopez flat footed meaning it stunned him but with that comes firepower back and the 12th round was all I needed to see. Im telling you those body shots broke Lomo in half his ribs were red after the fight and he bent over to avoid getting hit by those shots.Lopez is fast and powerful and he made a believer out of me...

[edaddy]

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ok who is going to pay for the Davis-Santa Cruz fight?. I like the matchup but again can't se myself paying for a showtime worthy fight..I think if Santa Cruz can apply the same pressure moving up in weight and take power shots the first 4 rounds he has a chance of gassing Davis out ...Much like Teo we are going to find out some things about Davis this fight..

[steelcityjames]

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If Santa Cruz is in good shape after 5 rounds I think he cruises to a victory. I have zero faith in Davis' ability to go deep in a fight vs a solid veteran. I like this matchup but, as usual, it shouldn't be PPV...

[JayBee74]

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If Santa Cruz is in good shape after 5 rounds I think he cruises to a victory. I have zero faith in Davis' ability to go deep in a fight vs a solid veteran. I like this matchup but, as usual, it shouldn't be PPV...

Didn’t see it other than some highlights and the vicious uppercut ender. It was apparently an action packed fight.

Usyk had quite a challenge against Chisora-I don’t know how he does against the likes of wilder fury or Andy-Might be too much for him

[allBthere]

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Didn’t see it other than some highlights and the vicious uppercut ender. It was apparently an action packed fight.

Usyk had quite a challenge against Chisora-I don’t know how he does against the likes of wilder fury or Andy-Might be too much for him

3 awesome fights last night in terms of action - Usyk took a while to let hard shots go. He has to realize he needs to 'load up more' to get respect in the HW division. I think he'll be fine against other guys though as they aren't as big and pushy-drainy lol... Fury yes, but not Wilder nor Andy imo. It was an interesting fight too.

Davis Slip-uppecut was so crisp and clean. He saw the right after getting hit and knew it would just be repeated and timed it perfectly.

The inoue fight was cool too (just saw highlights), his timing is crazy. The left hook for the first KD was timed as Moloney came in. The KO was a super short right hand timed off Moloney's own right and reminiscent of Pacquioa geting stopped with the right.

[edaddy]

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3 awesome fights last night in terms of action - Usyk took a while to let hard shots go. He has to realize he needs to 'load up more' to get respect in the HW division. I think he'll be fine against other guys though as they aren't as big and pushy-drainy lol... Fury yes, but not Wilder nor Andy imo. It was an interesting fight too.

Davis Slip-uppecut was so crisp and clean. He saw the right after getting hit and knew it would just be repeated and timed it perfectly.

The inoue fight was cool too (just saw highlights), his timing is crazy. The left hook for the first KD was timed as Moloney came in. The KO was a super short right hand timed off Moloney's own right and reminiscent of Pacquioa geting stopped with the right.

I agree some great fights although I still believe Davs-SantaCruz wasnt PPV worthy. Davis definently showed his speed and power but I am getting concerned about his defense. Literally the last two fights he has been hit when opponents simply fight back. Santa Cruz has some heart but those body shots wore him down and that uppercut would've knocked anyone out...I would absolutely pay for a Teo vs Davis fight as it would have a East Coast Grudge Flavor and literally both can get knocked out with one punch. I think Usyk might simply be to small for the bigger and better fighters in the division although he has some talent. I can see Fury or Joshua walking through him. I guess we are now into Crawford vs Brook territory which to me is a sham on Crawfords part. I think Brook will expose some of Crawfords slippage but in the end Crawford guts it out. At any rate could you imagine a Spence vs Crawford and Teo-vs Davis PPV card?

[pietasterp]

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Totally agree w/ edaddy - the standards for what constitutes a PPV fight these days are just a joke. That Davis-Santa Cruz fight would have been a solid HBO or Showtime Championship Boxing card back in the day. But not PPV. Outside of the people on this forum, I literally don't know anyone that could pick Gervonta Davis out of a police lineup (dig intended). Don't even get me started on the Charlo bros being on PPV. I have no idea what the buys were for these fights, but I'd be surprised if they were even mildly substantial.

I'm not telling anyone anything they don't already know, but boxing's financial ecosystem is so screwed up, I can't see any way back from irrelevance at this point. HBO bailing on boxing was the dirt on the grave but the sport was already dead. And it was such a self-fulfilling prophecy, as far as HBO was concerned: HBO didn't want to spend on big/exciting fights because ratings were declining and promoters made getting the best fights impossible, but putting increasingly worse fights on the air of course caused increasingly poor ratings, which cause them to not want to spend more, and round-and-round it goes. The last fight card on HBO had a main event that was Clarissa Shields vs Femke Hermans. I'm not casting aspersions on any fighters, but that is not a fight that moves the needle with anyone outside of the hardest of hardcore fight fans (and even then....).

And now DAZN, which looked like it was going to step up to try to be the premier boxing destination, has been rendered borderline irrelevant (not all their fault due to pandemic etc., but still - is anyone still paying for DAZN and if so, to access what content, exactly?). They parted ways with Canelo (https://www.cbssports.com/boxing/new...en-boy-issues/), not that that deal ever made any sense whatsoever to me.

The current financial ecosystem of boxing works for an extraordinarily small number of people (probably in the low double-digits), and not at all for the entire rest of the sport. The only thing that could potentially rescue the sport back to relevance is a singular figure that had unlimited resources and could basically force everyone under a single tent (like a "boxing league") and then the best fighters would fight each other regularly, and the fights would be broadly accessible on television to a massive audience. That might do the trick. That will never happen.