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[edaddy]

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This might be a redundant question so forgive me but does anyone have DAZN and is it worth it? They have been putting on some good shows as of late and I’m thinking about taking the plunge!!

[JayBee74]

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This might be a redundant question so forgive me but does anyone have DAZN and is it worth it? They have been putting on some good shows as of late and I’m thinking about taking the plunge!!

Had it, dropped it, and re-upped to watch Canelo-Billy Joe at one month for $19.99 (one year for $99.99). Haney-Linares tonight but I won't get to watch it live. I will cancel again before $20 re-charge missing out on Munguia-Sulecki on the 19th.

[Money99]

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This might be a redundant question so forgive me but does anyone have DAZN and is it worth it? They have been putting on some good shows as of late and I’m thinking about taking the plunge!!

I enjoy it for boxing and the MLB Network.
But I found it to be worth more when Bellator was on it.

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[Money99]

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Nonito Donaire refuses to get old.
Sensational tonight.
If Inoue wins, I think these two have to get it on again.

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[pietasterp]

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This might be a redundant question so forgive me but does anyone have DAZN and is it worth it? They have been putting on some good shows as of late and I’m thinking about taking the plunge!!

Same as JayBee; had it, dropped it. There was simply not enough content for me to make it worthwhile; basically a handful of Saturdays a year where there were fights I kinda/sorta wanted to see. But for me, the only value was the boxing. If there are other things the DAZN platform has that you want to see, that may change the value proposition for you.

Nonito Donaire refuses to get old.
Sensational tonight.
If Inoue wins, I think these two have to get it on again.

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Just a great night of fights in general. I really need to just go (in person) to the next card at the "Punch Bowl" (great nickname BTW); it seems to never disappoint.

Oubaali's people might complain that he never recovered from what looks like a fraction-of-a-second late haymaker that absolutely KO'd him in Round 3, but Jack Reiss gave him a more-than-generous champion's benefit of the doubt to continue. Bottom line was whether that left hook in round 3 was late or not, Oubaali was going to get knocked out by Donaire on that night. The only difference it would have made was which round it occurred in.

Sign me up for Donaire-Inoue part 2. The first one was an absolute war.

[Dead2009]

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Watching the Mayweather/Paul thing...this is the worst thing ive ever seen. It's literally a hug fest.

[bigeastbumrush]

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I’m so tired of the exhibitions. They’re just money grabs.

Boxing has been gaining some much needed momentum recently and these exhibitions don’t add any value.

8 rounds no judges no winner/loser. I watched part of the stream and just wondered why they’re doing this.

Even Vegas of all places didn’t want to host this card. That says everything.

[pietasterp]

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Have you guys watched the first part of the 4-part Showtime documentary "The Kings" about Hearns, Hagler, Leonard, and Duran? Part 1 was okay.....I could have done without the political opinions and commentary, but it's still worth it to relive one of the best eras in modern boxing history.

With regard to the recent exhibition(s) and general state of the fight game, the documentary is relevant because it brought up a lot of reasons why boxing was mainstream and is now niche. Not the least among them (although there are many) are that all 4 guys fought each other (at/near their primes) and they did it on over-the-air broadcast TV. With boxing rapidly approaching the "Mayweather fights a Kangaroo on PPV" level of carnival-barking irrelevance, it's worth it to remember that the sport still holds great potential. It's just hard to see a way forward in the current environment....

[JayBee74]

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Have you guys watched the first part of the 4-part Showtime documentary "The Kings" about Hearns, Hagler, Leonard, and Duran? Part 1 was okay.....I could have done without the political opinions and commentary, but it's still worth it to relive one of the best eras in modern boxing history.

Part one was great and given the disagreeable and crazy state of politics today I thought references to it were mild by comparison and very relevant (particularly the Panama Canal dispute in helping explain Duran's anti-American position).

Amazing that a few changes in mechanics help turned Tommy Hearns into a lethal puncher as he transitioned to the pros.

I was surprised to see episode two available. I thought they were releasing it every week.

[JayBee74]

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With regard to the recent exhibition(s) and general state of the fight game, the documentary is relevant because it brought up a lot of reasons why boxing was mainstream and is now niche. Not the least among them (although there are many) are that all 4 guys fought each other (at/near their primes) and they did it on over-the-air broadcast TV. With boxing rapidly approaching the "Mayweather fights a Kangaroo on PPV" level of carnival-barking irrelevance, it's worth it to remember that the sport still holds great potential. It's just hard to see a way forward in the current environment....

Great points. I really don't have anything against a guy trying to make an extra buck even if it's a trash fight with an aging legend but I just DON'T LIKE Jake Paul!!

[allBthere]

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floyd looked his age. This convinced me he'd now get killed vs canelo and probably manny as well. That's not a knock either, he's 44/45 and shouldn't feel like he has to fight anyway, it's more amazing to me that manny is going to fight spence! at 42 if Manny could beat him it would be an all-time legendary moment imo.

The card wasn't bad either. Hurd was in tough and that was a good fight. I think he'd take a rematch due to all his personal stuff, but it was a good fight and the right decision.

Logan Paul is in shape, no doubt, but he just doesn't have enough boxing experience to go anywhere in the sport. He DID land the hardest shot of the fight though and certainly stunned Floyd with that right to the temple. But that's not some sort of major accomplishment either as he's 5 inches taller and 40lbs heavier.

I don't have a problem with the exhibitions either like some others do - my only beef was the connor fight counting to floyd's official ring record. In my mind he can do what he wants and it actually highlights one of boxing's weaknesses which is that they need to market the fighters and the fighters need to market themselves.

No one wants to be indifferent, we want to cheer for or against someone (ideally) and it's better to know the personality and things about the man behind the gloves. People used to get that stuff from magazines and news papers but now it's online video. Logan Paul essentially did all that work already for himself and created a following of people interested in seeing him fight - fine - it's PRIZEFIGHTING afterall.

All the promotions need to massively up their story-telling game and instead of focusing 100% on canelo, start to push the top 50+ guys in the sport. So many talented guys nobody knows about. Even boxing fans don't know a lot of these guys - it's not enough to just be good and talented. This is nothing new either it's something the NBA realized decades ago "market the stars" ... tell people who these guys are and why they should care about them.

/rant

[pietasterp]

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Part one was great and given the disagreeable and crazy state of politics today I thought references to it were mild by comparison and very relevant (particularly the Panama Canal dispute in helping explain Duran's anti-American position).

Amazing that a few changes in mechanics help turned Tommy Hearns into a lethal puncher as he transitioned to the pros.

I was surprised to see episode two available. I thought they were releasing it every week.

I didn't realize episode 2 was already available - I also assumed it would be 1/week.

I agree that where the politics were germane to the current events at the time, it made sense. In the example you brought up, it definitely fit in and added context to Duran's story. But where I took issue was the seemingly forced narrative viewpoint about how Reagan and Sugar Ray basically represented a superficial image-based 1980's change of cultural values, and it didn't take a lot of reading between the lines to understand the viewpoints of the people they were interviewing (which, in and of itself was a curious choice since neither of the sociologists or whoever seemed to be particularly knowledgeable about boxing). I just thought it seemed shoe-horned in to the documentary to me and was off-putting, as I was really more interested in the fighters and boxing than politics.

Great points. I really don't have anything against a guy trying to make an extra buck even if it's a trash fight with an aging legend but I just DON'T LIKE Jake Paul!!

floyd looked his age. This convinced me he'd now get killed vs canelo and probably manny as well. That's not a knock either, he's 44/45 and shouldn't feel like he has to fight anyway, it's more amazing to me that manny is going to fight spence! at 42 if Manny could beat him it would be an all-time legendary moment imo.

The card wasn't bad either. Hurd was in tough and that was a good fight. I think he'd take a rematch due to all his personal stuff, but it was a good fight and the right decision.

Logan Paul is in shape, no doubt, but he just doesn't have enough boxing experience to go anywhere in the sport. He DID land the hardest shot of the fight though and certainly stunned Floyd with that right to the temple. But that's not some sort of major accomplishment either as he's 5 inches taller and 40lbs heavier.

I don't have a problem with the exhibitions either like some others do - my only beef was the connor fight counting to floyd's official ring record. In my mind he can do what he wants and it actually highlights one of boxing's weaknesses which is that they need to market the fighters and the fighters need to market themselves.

No one wants to be indifferent, we want to cheer for or against someone (ideally) and it's better to know the personality and things about the man behind the gloves. People used to get that stuff from magazines and news papers but now it's online video. Logan Paul essentially did all that work already for himself and created a following of people interested in seeing him fight - fine - it's PRIZEFIGHTING afterall.

All the promotions need to massively up their story-telling game and instead of focusing 100% on canelo, start to push the top 50+ guys in the sport. So many talented guys nobody knows about. Even boxing fans don't know a lot of these guys - it's not enough to just be good and talented. This is nothing new either it's something the NBA realized decades ago "market the stars" ... tell people who these guys are and why they should care about them.

/rant

If people keep buying what Floyd is selling, I don't blame him. I think boxing is basically unsalvageable at this point, because for anything to change significantly, it would require a total tear-down and structural rebuild of the sport starting from scratch. Boxing needs a single governing body, with rigid rankings and matchmaking rules, with a single title-holder in each weight class. Anything short of that, and it's basically just the chaos and random WWF-style matchmaking you have now, which is why boxing is barely a legitimate sport (if it even is).

As that will never happen in a million years, I have to be content with the occasional matchup that happens to turn out to be a great fight. Which is just such a tease, because when boxing is good, it's great. The potential is all there, but the structure of the fight game and all the competing interests will never allow it to be a mainstream sport ever again.

[Money99]

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I’m so tired of the exhibitions. They’re just money grabs.

Boxing has been gaining some much needed momentum recently and these exhibitions don’t add any value.

8 rounds no judges no winner/loser. I watched part of the stream and just wondered why they’re doing this.

Even Vegas of all places didn’t want to host this card. That says everything.

Mayweather claims to have made $120M from this fight - $30M just from the ads stitched to his trunks.
Paul reportedly took in $20M.

My sons were very interested in watching this fight. I'm using the Paul brothers as a gateway drug to get them interested in boxing, lol. And it's working to a degree.
They'll watch some legit boxing matches when they're on TV.

The thing is, while I find some of these fights to be trash, if anyone in boxing objects to it, they should be more upset with 'real' boxing. Why is it a Youtube celebs and retired, old boxers are pulling in so much money for exhibitions?
Could it be because we have governing bodies like the WBA which have up to 7 (SEVEN!!!) champs in a single division?
And I will always be a proponent of removing many of the JR and SR weight classes.
There's no need to have 4 between 115-126. Go back to the original 7 with Cruiserweight.

As far as Floyd is concerned, he looked bad. He's 44 and age has finally caught up to him.
Not a knock on him, but he wasn't as sharp.
Saying that, he was definitely carrying Paul. There's a slowmo clip out there showing Floyd connecting on the back of Pauls left ear and he is clearly stunned and going down. Floyd actually holds him up.
And that's good business. If other Youtube D'bags see that Floyd will actually knock them out, they won't be so quick to lineup and guarantee Floyd 9-digits for future easy exhibitions.

[pietasterp]

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I can't disagree with any of the above.

[KG]

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Anyone catch the Stevenson fight last night?

One of the worst refs I’ve ever seen and that’s saying a lot. He kept stopping the fight because they were stepping on each other’s lead foot since it was a southpaw vs orthodox. He even threatened to take a point away smh.

Stevenson looked good at times but he should have finished the guy he was in the ring with early. Dude has now business being in there with him.


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