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[JayBee74]

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Props to Peterson for hanging in there for a bit, but he was dominated.

EDIT: Lamont was ready for the fight to be stopped. When his trainer broached the subject of halting the action a round before it actually was Peterson mentioned he lost every round and that he was OK with anything his team did.

Great body work and some fluidly thrown uppercuts by Spence.

[sheredia]

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Props to Peterson for hanging in there for a bit, but he was dominated.

EDIT: Lamont was ready for the fight to be stopped. When his trainer broached the subject of halting the action a round before it actually was Peterson mentioned he lost every round and that he was OK with anything his team did.

Great body work and some fluidly thrown uppercuts by Spence.

credit to spence for executing a great game plan and credit to lamont for admitting he lost every round, which rarely fighters do.

[pk500]

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A clear gap in class in the ring between Spence and Peterson. But both are class acts outside of the ring. I LOVE Barry Hunter -- he showed true love and genuine concern for Peterson, which is rare from many trainers these days. Humane stoppage.

Can we just move aside that poseur Keith Thurman -- another overprotected, overpaid, underworked PBC shill -- so we can get the best fight in boxing done, Spence vs. Crawford at 147? Please? Pretty please?

[JayBee74]

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Can we just move aside that poseur Keith Thurman -- another overprotected, overpaid, underworked PBC shill -- so we can get the best fight in boxing done, Spence vs. Crawford at 147? Please? Pretty please?

I have to give Thurman more credit than that. His last two fights were with Danny G. and Porter, not exactly bum of the month club level. His problem is he's hurt all the time. One thing I do know. Spence and Keith aren't going to square off against each other for peanuts and I'm not sure what the market is. I'd sure like to see it though.

Crawford has Jeff Horn in April, so I will assume his further beginnings at 147 won't include a fight with Spence anytime soon. See what he can get for Adrien Broner. Then look at the upper tier of Garcia, Porter, Brook (if he's still at welter), and Thurman. It's possible that his team won't even rush into that scenario.

[JayBee74]

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Matthysse is a 6-1 favorite over Tewa Kiram this Saturday night (HBO). Tewa might be an even bigger underdog if not for the hype machine. Good to see Lucas back and up to 147, adding to an already stacked division.

[Money99]

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Anyone watch Counterpunch on Netflix?
Pretty good documentary on the state of both amateur and pro boxing.
They follow three fighters in particular; amateur Cam F. Awesome, 18YO newly turned pro Lil Hop and Peter Quillan.

The director touches on the poor state of amateur boxing in the U.S., particularly the lack of support the athletes receive and the sorry state of pro boxing with its corrupt promoters and excessive volume of weight classes and sanctioning bodies.

I really enjoyed it.

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[pk500]

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I have to give Thurman more credit than that. His last two fights were with Danny G. and Porter, not exactly bum of the month club level. His problem is he's hurt all the time. One thing I do know. Spence and Keith aren't going to square off against each other for peanuts and I'm not sure what the market is. I'd sure like to see it though.

Crawford has Jeff Horn in April, so I will assume his further beginnings at 147 won't include a fight with Spence anytime soon. See what he can get for Adrien Broner. Then look at the upper tier of Garcia, Porter, Brook (if he's still at welter), and Thurman. It's possible that his team won't even rush into that scenario.

Spence and Thurman is an easy fight to make since both are promoted by the PBC. The only thing preventing this matchup from being made is Thurman's fear.

Crawford-Spence will be a real promotional challenge. Top Rank promotes Crawford, and Arum and Haymon don't like each other. But if the money is right, they will work together. Problem is, Crawford and Spence aren't well known enough to the general public, thanks to boxing's horrific marketing and PR, so their bout won't generate the kind of huge PPV numbers that will cause Arum and Haymon to smoke a peace pipe and make the fight.

Broner is a waste of time for Spence or Crawford. Either guy would destroy Broner. I guess it's justified as a stay-busy fight against one of the more overrated but known names in the sport, but that's it. Broner is Andre Berto with a big mouth. Nothing more.

[JayBee74]

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Spence and Thurman is an easy fight to make since both are promoted by the PBC. The only thing preventing this matchup from being made is Thurman's fear.

I'm not going to guess what's in Thurman's head, but he's proven himself as a world-class fighter in a tough division. If the two fought I would give Spence the edge. He certainly seems to want the fight more than the often injured Thurman.

Crawford-Spence will be a real promotional challenge. Top Rank promotes Crawford, and Arum and Haymon don't like each other. But if the money is right, they will work together. Problem is, Crawford and Spence aren't well known enough to the general public, thanks to boxing's horrific marketing and PR, so their bout won't generate the kind of huge PPV numbers that will cause Arum and Haymon to smoke a peace pipe and make the fight.

I think a fight with Spence is way too early for Crawford as he adjusts to a higher weight class.

Broner is a waste of time for Spence or Crawford. Either guy would destroy Broner. I guess it's justified as a stay-busy fight against one of the more overrated but known names in the sport, but that's it. Broner is Andre Berto with a big mouth. Nothing more.

Spence would destroy Broner.

Crawford would win handily and possibly destroy him. I say this because Adrien is a cautious low volume puncher with a good chin. I agree it would be more of a stay busy fight to make some money as the big mouth is still not a bad draw.

[pietasterp]

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If this is the end of the road for his boxing career, I'll be a little sad to see Lamont Peterson go. Always really liked him, and sorta wish he had just that little extra....je ne sais quoi(?) that separates really good fighters from elite fighters. He always seemed just a cut below the very top. At some point, some guys are just born with the reflexes, muscle makeup, punching power, whatever it is that makes them the best, and for whatever reason, Peterson just lacked somewhere. And I suppose you can't fairly discuss his career without bringing up his suspension for PEDs. That's always been a bit of a disappointment for me, given that he seems like such a good guy.

Meanwhile, Errol Spence is proving to be just a lot - a LOT - better than I thought. I mean, I knew he was elite after he stopped Kell Brook, but it's starting to look like he's the best 147-pounder in the world right now. Anyway, it will hopefully be fun watching him try to prove it in the coming months/years.

[JayBee74]

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Another fighter who doesn't know when to quit?

Heavyweight Andre Ward

[gmac0322]

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Another fighter who doesn't know when to quit?

Heavyweight Andre Ward

All arrogance. Dude is really going to get hurt if he fights a Joshua or Wilder

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[pk500]

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Another fighter who doesn't know when to quit?

Heavyweight Andre Ward

Does Ward think a move to heavyweight will generate the fan base he so dearly covets but never could attract at 168 or 175?

Funny. There's a better chance Ward will attract a body bag than legions of new fans at heavyweight. The only way he will survive against true heavyweight contenders is to box even more than his customary boring normal.

[allBthere]

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I think Spence will be a dominant champ and will be a champ for a minimum of 6 years. He's a killer and I don't see anyone out there that can beat him.

[pk500]

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I think Spence will be a dominant champ and will be a champ for a minimum of 6 years. He's a killer and I don't see anyone out there that can beat him.

Crawford can. He's already either first or second on nearly every top 10 pound-for-pound list. Spence is just starting to crack those lists.

We're suffering from recency bias. We saw Spence blow out a fading Lamont Peterson last weekend, so we think he's the next Sugar Ray Leonard.

But Crawford will give Spence fits. He's just as fast, just as good defensively, has a nasty mean streak and can fight ambidextrously with fearsome power in both hands.

There's a reason why Crawford and Lomachenko are considered the top two fighters in the world today. Spence isn't quite at that level yet, but he can get there.

[JayBee74]

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We're suffering from recency bias. We saw Spence blow out a fading Lamont Peterson last weekend, so we think he's the next Sugar Ray Leonard.

Not only fading but Peterson is basically a junior welterweight.

But Crawford will give Spence fits. He's just as fast, just as good defensively, has a nasty mean streak and can fight ambidextrously with fearsome power in both hands.

Power-wise It all depends on how he handles the move up. His first fight above 140 will be against Horn. Knocking Jeff out would say a lot.