Boxing Off-Topic

[Money99]

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That idiot will die young.

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Because I'm a glutton for punishment, I actually googled Charlie Z's name.
He sparred 61-YO Floyd Sr and was made an example of by being knocked out of the ring. But then Charlie sucker punched him from behind after climbing back into the ring.
It didn't end well for Zee.

Sounds like he's sort of known in boxing circles in LA. But not in a good way.
There definitely appears to be some mental imbalance. But if you check out his Youtube channel, you can't help but be entertained.

[LakerFan56]

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Because I'm a glutton for punishment, I actually googled Charlie Z's name.
He sparred 61-YO Floyd Sr and was made an example of by being knocked out of the ring. But then Charlie sucker punched him from behind after climbing back into the ring.
It didn't end well for Zee.

Sounds like he's sort of known in boxing circles in LA. But not in a good way.
There definitely appears to be some mental imbalance. But if you check out his Youtube channel, you can't help but be entertained.

That's the same guy who hit Mayweather Sr.? Wow... I got the impression that Wilder didn't take him seriously even though this dude crossed the line. Wilder could have sent him to the hospital if he wanted to, but he clearly went easy on him.

[Money99]

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That's the same guy who hit Mayweather Sr.? Wow... I got the impression that Wilder didn't take him seriously even though this dude crossed the line. Wilder could have sent him to the hospital if he wanted to, but he clearly went easy on him.

I got the same impression. It sounds like a lot of the boxers out there know of this guy and realize that he's mentally unstable.
I figure that the only reason Wilder took him up on his offer was after Charlie said stuff about his daughter.

Like you said, Wilder could have killed him, but held back. He was also heard remarking in an interview how he's the new UBF champion -a title Charlie Z claims to own, haha!
So he's got a good sense of humour.

[JayBee74]

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Like you said, Wilder could have killed him, but held back.

I think I heard Wilder had to sign some papers before that "fight" to protect himself.

[Money99]

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I think I heard Wilder had to sign some papers before that "fight" to protect himself.

LOL, I wouldn't doubt it.

About Wilder, I really hope Stiverne fights him next.
But knowing King, he'll use the year-long mandatory window and get Stiverne to fight at least one, if not 2 tomato cans first.

[pietasterp]

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Sadly, I can't blame Chavez for this. If he doens't want to do work with Arum I can't be mad at him too much.

No doubt. Anyone with any modicum of leverage tries to extricate themselves from Arum, why wouldn't Chavez Jr? It does stink, though, because I think that would have been a killer bout. And if GGG knocked out Chavez Jr, I think most doubts about him would be erased. Whatever you think of Chavez Jr, he's a tough SOB and hard to get off his feet.

I guess he thinks he's worth more than that. If he does beat GGG, maybe he thinks he'll become a bigger star than Alvarez.

It's possible. Also, he doesn't really need the money, so there's that.

He could be the biggest star in Mexico right now, but for his complete and utter lack of interest in training hard and maximizing his ability. I've completely lost faith that he'll ever reach anything close to his potential, because he isn't hungry (not for boxing, anyway), doesn't love to fight, and is pretty much just plain lazy. Can't blame him for any of those things, but it will keep him from being as good as he might otherwise have been.

Damn man, I really thought Chris had finally broken through, he was winning the fight going away and got caught slipping. There really isn't much for him in the HW division, but that division is so watered down that if he can beat a bunch of tomato cans he can get right back into the picture for an alphabet soup title.

Arreola is basically big bum. He wouldn't even rate on the map if the heavyweight division weren't such a barren wasteland of tomato cans. He seems like a likeable enough guy, and is certainly a good interview, but what's his ceiling as a fighter, really? I think we've just seen it.

[JayBee74]

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I'm a little more sympathetic toward Chavez Jr. Arum offered him $2 million to fight GGG without an extension ($7 million with). Considering he received $2.5 for the Vera fight, that was a ridiculous offer. He's still highly bankable, but he needs to start banking soon.

[pietasterp]

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I'm a little more sympathetic toward Chavez Jr. Arum offered him $2 million to fight GGG without an extension ($7 million with). Considering he received $2.5 for the Vera fight, that was a ridiculous offer. He's still highly bankable, but he needs to start banking soon.

I have been a big Chavez Jr supporter for a while, but the last 2 years or so (starting with his inexplicable disinterest in training for the S-Mart fight), I've just fallen off the bandwagon with him. But I still think he could be great.

I am with you 100% on the Chavez vs. Arum thing. I mean, there is no safe/clean place to go in a sport as filthy as boxing, but Arum is slimy even by that rogue's gallery of characters. Chavez is a big enough star that he probably doesn't need to chain himself to Arum, and he can tolerate the risk of failure because...well, he was already fairly wealthy. Frankly, GGG needs Chavez Jr. more than Chavez needs him - if Chavez bails, there are essentially no worthy fights that could conceivably be made for GGG in his current promotional alignment, and he'll be consigned to pounding the stuffing out of tomato cans for the best years of career while onlooker tire of his un-worthy opponents and murmurs build about the legitimacy of his dominance. That, or he'll wind up taking all sorts of convoluted catch-weight bouts against a host of "name" or semi-name fighters because the available middleweights aren't exactly a murderer's row.

Frankly, I'm a bit bored with GGG right now, until he fights someone of serious caliber. HBO can only hype him for so long before people start yawning...

[SPRINGS03]

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Frankly, I'm a bit bored with GGG right now, until he fights someone of serious caliber. HBO can only hype him for so long before people start yawning...

I've said the same thing myself, i can't by into the hype of him all the way because he's not beating any serious opponents. While i don't like chavez jr at all(i think he's lazy and relies more on having a ridiculous weight advantage than skill) he's at least fought one top level opponent(even though he lost like i thought he would in that fight). Frankly, it's a good fight for both of them. But i can't blame chavez for not working with arum.

[pietasterp]

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I've said the same thing myself, i can't by into the hype of him all the way because he's not beating any serious opponents. While i don't like chavez jr at all(i think he's lazy and relies more on having a ridiculous weight advantage than skill) he's at least fought one top level opponent(even though he lost like i thought he would in that fight). Frankly, it's a good fight for both of them. But i can't blame chavez for not working with arum.

Agree on almost all points, but just as clarification, Chavez has been a Top Rank guy and worked with Arum for some time, but the current issue (as I understand it, anyway) is that he doesn't want to be forced to re-up for another long-term deal w/ Arum as a stipulation for getting max value for the GGG fight. Or something like that...

Sometimes I just have to LOL at boxing.

[boxtrev]

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Random Question: When did boxing PPV matches become $75? I know that it hasn't been all THAT long since I ordered a fight (maybe 2012), but I was noticing the other day that all the recent matches have been in the $75 range. Does anyone know when that spike happened?

[N51_rob]

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When promotions realised they could charge more for HD broadcast, I would say it was the Floyd/Victor Ortiz fight that started it, maybe it was Cotto. But what ever it was Floyd was first and the rest just followed suit.

[pietasterp]

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Random Question: When did boxing PPV matches become $75? I know that it hasn't been all THAT long since I ordered a fight (maybe 2012), but I was noticing the other day that all the recent matches have been in the $75 range. Does anyone know when that spike happened?

Yeah, it's getting ridiculous. The PPV model is so horrible for the sport as a whole. It's great for the small cabal of people involved in the top promotions and the top 0.01% of fighters that can draw, but for everyone else (fans included) it's pretty much a racket.

Honestly, there's no fight I can think of that I'd pay $75 to see. I can't even conceive of an entire card I'd pay that much for. I guess, theoretically, if all of these fights were on a single card, I'd consider it ( ):

- Lucas Matthyse vs. Danny Garcia (rematch)
- Canelo Alvarez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
- Peter Quillin vs. Gennady Golovkin
- Mayweather vs. Pacquiao (yep, it's an undercard to me at this point...)
- Adonis Stevenson vs. Sergei Kovalev

I guess I'd be willing to shell out $75 for that card. But not a penny more.

[Money99]

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Yeah, it's getting ridiculous. The PPV model is so horrible for the sport as a whole. It's great for the small cabal of people involved in the top promotions and the top 0.01% of fighters that can draw, but for everyone else (fans included) it's pretty much a racket.

Honestly, there's no fight I can think of that I'd pay $75 to see. I can't even conceive of an entire card I'd pay that much for. I guess, theoretically, if all of these fights were on a single card, I'd consider it ( ):

- Lucas Matthyse vs. Danny Garcia (rematch)
- Canelo Alvarez vs. Julio Cesar Chavez Jr.
- Peter Quillin vs. Gennady Golovkin
- Mayweather vs. Pacquiao (yep, it's an undercard to me at this point...)
- Adonis Stevenson vs. Sergei Kovalev

I guess I'd be willing to shell out $75 for that card. But not a penny more.

I'm with you pietasterp.
DLH once said that they need to only put 'top fights' on PPV and put the rest on free TV.
I've yet to see him follow suit (maybe he thinks all HIS fights are top-notch), but I wish this would happen.
There are only a handful of fighters that are truly worthy of PPV admission. The rest should be on free television.
Long gone are the days where I can hang out on the couch on a Saturday afternoon and catch some quality contenders. I lived on Joe Hipp fights back in the day, haha.

Furthermore, I wish some of these guys would consider family guys who may want to watch fights with their kids.
I'd love to keep my kids up past midnight to watch some fights, but they can never make it and I don't feel like shelling out $75 for a PPV that probably isn't worth $10.

[fistofrage]

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I'm with you pietasterp.
DLH once said that they need to only put 'top fights' on PPV and put the rest on free TV.
I've yet to see him follow suit (maybe he thinks all HIS fights are top-notch), but I wish this would happen.
There are only a handful of fighters that are truly worthy of PPV admission. The rest should be on free television.
Long gone are the days where I can hang out on the couch on a Saturday afternoon and catch some quality contenders. I lived on Joe Hipp fights back in the day, haha.

Furthermore, I wish some of these guys would consider family guys who may want to watch fights with their kids.
I'd love to keep my kids up past midnight to watch some fights, but they can never make it and I don't feel like shelling out $75 for a PPV that probably isn't worth $10.

This is why I am glad the show these things at the theatre for $20 or less. But I sure wish they had Saturday or Sunday afternoon boxing and once a month Saturday nights at the fights in primetime on a major network.

I thought the Floyd card was well worth my $20 admission. I enjoyed all the fights on that card and all the fights had guys in it who will be fighting for championships.