Boxing Off-Topic

[sheredia]

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Counter-punching Aldo is a lot different than counter-punching Floyd Mayweather.

This fight's not going anywhere and both fighters know it.
Connor's trying to expand his brand to the boxing crowd and Floyd's using it to see how much interest there'd be for a comeback.
But both know this is never going to happen.
IMO, there's a better chance of Mike Tyson un-retiring to fight Floyd than Connor getting in the ring with him.

boxing is in sad shape when an elite fighter is resorting to fighting an mma fighter with zero experience rather than someone who has a actual legit chance of beating him....

[sheredia]

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First off, did McGregor really get $12 million for his KO win over José Aldo? That doesn't seem possible.

As far as the gloves Floyd usually prefers 8 ounce, as least lately. He insisted on them for the second Maidana fight (the first was also fought with 8 ounce gloves) and Pac and him fought with the light gloves.

Mayweather-McGregor will go through if:

(1) Floyd is guaranteed at least $50 million
(2) The fight is a pure boxing match
(3) Gloves are not under the minimum weight for a professional boxing match (8 ounce)
(4) McGregor would have to be guaranteed at least $10 million. If his earnings for the Aldo fight are accurate ($12 million) bump that up to AT LEAST $15 million!! at least

floyd will have to give in to white's demands as well.....we'll see how bad floyd wants this. it's almost as if conor and white have some leverage here with floyd wanting this fight so bad...definitely out of the ordinary.

[TripleJay_X]

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according to oscar, he's a MUCH better fighter than when he fought floyd...

...can't judge that, there is no shame in loosing to GGG, but noone should be called 'Champ' if he in reality isn't.... everything what doesn't result in a fight in the ring is Ducking. So De La Hoya and Canelo can talk much crap if the day is long.

I'm not sure, but wasn't it a honor in the history of boxing to fight the real 'champs', gain experience, try a rematch a few years later and stuff like that?!

[TripleJay_X]

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boxing is in sad shape when an elite fighter is resorting to fighting an mma fighter with zero experience rather than someone who has a actual legit chance of beating him....

if i understood correctly, mcgregor wanted to fight mayweather, so it's more likely, MMA is in a bad shape....but can't really judge that, coz i don't watch/follow MMA.

Mayweather seems to have enough $$$ for the rest of his life, McGregor possibly not.

[Money99]

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if i understood correctly, mcgregor wanted to fight mayweather, so it's more likely, MMA is in a bad shape....but can't really judge that, coz i don't watch/follow MMA.

Mayweather seems to have enough $$$ for the rest of his life, McGregor possibly not.

Mayweather DID have enough money to last him the rest of his life at one time. Then he filed for bankruptcy.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think he went bankrupt twice. That's the only reason he came out of retirement the first time.

He was basically averaging $50M/fight when he unretired so if he should be set for life.
But athletes and money aren't always a great combo.

[TripleJay_X]

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the truth why Canelo vacated his belt...

http://www.pictaram.com/media/1253764894451868296_1729412599

[JayBee74]

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the truth why Canelo vacated his belt...

http://www.pictaram.com/media/125376...296_1729412599

LOL...It has looked worse. They've made amazing strides in tacky belt technology.

[TripleJay_X]

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anyone (of the 4-5 people around here ) saw parker vs takem?! for a first bigger fight for parker, it was o.k. but against some power-punchers his defense will likely not be enough...still some stuff to learn. but he has some chinn & heart.... let's seeeeeeee. a good guy for the HW.

[sheredia]

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floyd will have to give in to white's demands as well.....we'll see how bad floyd wants this. it's almost as if conor and white have some leverage here with floyd wanting this fight so bad...definitely out of the ordinary.

the plot thickens....floyd offers mcgregor $50 million. is he even considering the possibility of losing? be careful what you wish for, floyd. p.s conor quoted as saying "floyd needs me".

[pietasterp]

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anyone (of the 4-5 people around here ) saw parker vs takem?! for a first bigger fight for parker, it was o.k. but against some power-punchers his defense will likely not be enough...still some stuff to learn. but he has some chinn & heart.... let's seeeeeeee. a good guy for the HW.

I saw that it was on, but I didn't actually watch it. In retrospect, I'd rather have watched that than the Lara-Martirosyan fight last night. At least the middle undercard between Trout and Charlo was a decent fight.

Do Cuban fighters just not want to be stars at all, or what? I mean, I guess a tiger can't change his stripes, and all those years learning in the Cuban system can't simply be un-done, but for all the complaining Lara and Rigondeaux and other Cuban fighters do about not getting the big-time fights, I think the answer is pretty simple: the market has spoken. No one wants to watch guys cover up and run for 12 rounds (Mayweather notwithstanding, although his appeal was almost entirely due to his genius marketing skills), so it's pretty simple to see why there's very little demand for Lara or Rigondeaux. They are boring. Plain and simple. Sure there is a small group of committed fight fans that can watch guys like that and derive great pleasure from appreciating their art, but there is absolutely no broader market for that kind of boxing. That's why there's no interest in Olympic boxing.

Anyway, looking forward to some good cards coming up. I have absolutely no idea what's going to happen with Porter-Thurman, but it's hard for me to see it not ending with a knockout by Thurman. But then, I've under-estimated Porter before and been completely wrong.

[JayBee74]

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If I ever get in trouble I want Jermaine Taylor's lawyer.

Sentencing

[Money99]

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I saw that it was on, but I didn't actually watch it. In retrospect, I'd rather have watched that than the Lara-Martirosyan fight last night. At least the middle undercard between Trout and Charlo was a decent fight.

Do Cuban fighters just not want to be stars at all, or what? I mean, I guess a tiger can't change his stripes, and all those years learning in the Cuban system can't simply be un-done, but for all the complaining Lara and Rigondeaux and other Cuban fighters do about not getting the big-time fights, I think the answer is pretty simple: the market has spoken. No one wants to watch guys cover up and run for 12 rounds (Mayweather notwithstanding, although his appeal was almost entirely due to his genius marketing skills), so it's pretty simple to see why there's very little demand for Lara or Rigondeaux. They are boring. Plain and simple. Sure there is a small group of committed fight fans that can watch guys like that and derive great pleasure from appreciating their art, but there is absolutely no broader market for that kind of boxing. That's why there's no interest in Olympic boxing.

Anyway, looking forward to some good cards coming up. I have absolutely no idea what's going to happen with Porter-Thurman, but it's hard for me to see it not ending with a knockout by Thurman. But then, I've under-estimated Porter before and been completely wrong.

Well said.
I think a lot of these fighters forget that pro boxing is about entertainment. (heck, all pro sports are).
If people aren't entertained, they won't watch. Both fighters you mentioned possess styles that aren't exactly aesthetically pleasing.

Mayweather was a genius in the way he'd always chose an opponent that could produce hype and who had a big fan following. Especially Mexican fighters on cinco de mayo.
It's no wonder he's trying to get Connor in the ring. I'm sure he'll try to get this done for St.Patty's day, 2017.

[JayBee74]

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I saw that it was on, but I didn't actually watch it. In retrospect, I'd rather have watched that than the Lara-Martirosyan fight last night. At least the middle undercard between Trout and Charlo was a decent fight.

Do Cuban fighters just not want to be stars at all, or what? I mean, I guess a tiger can't change his stripes, and all those years learning in the Cuban system can't simply be un-done, but for all the complaining Lara and Rigondeaux and other Cuban fighters do about not getting the big-time fights, I think the answer is pretty simple: the market has spoken. No one wants to watch guys cover up and run for 12 rounds (Mayweather notwithstanding, although his appeal was almost entirely due to his genius marketing skills), so it's pretty simple to see why there's very little demand for Lara or Rigondeaux. They are boring. Plain and simple. Sure there is a small group of committed fight fans that can watch guys like that and derive great pleasure from appreciating their art, but there is absolutely no broader market for that kind of boxing. That's why there's no interest in Olympic boxing.

Anyway, looking forward to some good cards coming up. I have absolutely no idea what's going to happen with Porter-Thurman, but it's hard for me to see it not ending with a knockout by Thurman. But then, I've under-estimated Porter before and been completely wrong.

But there is a demand for Cuban:



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EDIT: That's Luis Ortiz at the bottom by the way.

[pietasterp]

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But there is a demand for Cuban:



AND



EDIT: That's Luis Ortiz at the bottom by the way.

Touche.

Oritz and also Gamboa are exceptions, though. The vast majority of fighters who come up through the Cuban system are defense-first counter-punchers who throw for score, not for damage. That's not an objectively 'bad' way to fight by any means, it's just my personal opinion that it's boring.

Contrast that with, say, Mexican or Puerto Rican fighters, who are in general all-action all-the-time. Obviously that's not true of all, but it seems to be a part of the Mexican boxing culture just like defensive fighting seems to be part of the Cuban boxing culture.

I'm obviously making some pretty broad generalizations here (I'm happy to be called out by opposing viewpoints), but in a hypothetical situation where there are 2 fight cards going on and I have no idea who any of the fighters are in any of the bouts, but one card features all Mexican fighters and the other card features all Cuban fighters, I'm going to watch card "A" every single time.

[Money99]

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Touche.

Oritz and also Gamboa are exceptions, though. The vast majority of fighters who come up through the Cuban system are defense-first counter-punchers who throw for score, not for damage. That's not an objectively 'bad' way to fight by any means, it's just my personal opinion that it's boring.

Contrast that with, say, Mexican or Puerto Rican fighters, who are in general all-action all-the-time. Obviously that's not true of all, but it seems to be a part of the Mexican boxing culture just like defensive fighting seems to be part of the Cuban boxing culture.

I'm obviously making some pretty broad generalizations here (I'm happy to be called out by opposing viewpoints), but in a hypothetical situation where there are 2 fight cards going on and I have no idea who any of the fighters are in any of the bouts, but one card features all Mexican fighters and the other card features all Cuban fighters, I'm going to watch card "A" every single time.

Agreed.
And it's odd considering how Cuban's approach baseball.
As the old saying goes "You don't walk off the island". Their ball players typically earn MLB contracts by smashing the ball out of the park.
You'd think their boxing programs would mirror that mentality.