Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

[Sausage]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

I had it 115-114 Trout. The judge who scored every rd for Alvarez should be investigated.

[aholbert32]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

118-109, what a crock of ****.

Jesus. I love boxing sooooo much but **** like this makes me not want to watch it anymore. Trout is being classy by giving Canelo alot of credit.

[redsrule]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

Jesus. I love boxing sooooo much but **** like this makes me not want to watch it anymore. Trout is being classy by giving Canelo alot of credit.

I wonder how much that judge was paid to do that? It's a joke. Reason I turned it off after hearing the scores in the 9th.

[cdawg44]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

Assuming Mayweather is the same after his jail stint. Old Mayweather destroys Canelo. Maybe knocks him out.

Yea, Canelo takes WAY too much time off in rounds. You can't give that Floyd no matter what. Let's assume Floyd has some amount of drop off, it doesn't matter, he still runs this kid out of the ring. It's susprising to me because he is only 22, and should be in much better shape than this so he can keep up the pressure in rounds.

[JayBee74]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

Yea, Canelo takes WAY too much time off in rounds. You can't give that Floyd no matter what. Let's assume Floyd has some amount of drop off, it doesn't matter, he still runs this kid out of the ring. It's susprising to me because he is only 22, and should be in much better shape than this so he can keep up the pressure in rounds.

Let's not give Floyd an imaginary victory. I want to see him fight this guy. He's never fought anyone near that strong .

The scores weren't right, but I have no problem with Alvarez winning the fight.

[cdawg44]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

Let's not give Floyd an imaginary victory. I want to see him fight this guy. He's never fought anyone near that strong .

The scores weren't right, but I have no problem with Alvarez winning the fight.

I had Alvarez taking rounds 9, 10, and 11 and winning the fight. But 118-109 and 116-111 as offical scores?? You knew it was bad once Showtime heard the scores, because they stopped doing their own scores.

[Sausage]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

Looking at my score card it could have gone either in the final round. I probably gave Trout to many rounds just for being busier, but not landing any definitive shot(s) and not giving Alvarez enough credit for his defense and heavier blows.

Instead of sitting ringside I believe each judge should be in a private room and score the bout from TV with the sound muted. With promoters, fans, ropes blocking there view, etc. It's just to easy for them to make excuses.

Boxing really needs to look into the Cortez 2020, basically elevated seats that allow judges to have a better view of the fight.

[pietasterp]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

Thanks to my OS bretheren for convincing me that I'm not insane...Coming on here has restored some of my faith in the sport. I thought Trout won that fight, but then after seeing the scores I thought I might be crazy. I can understand a slight edge to Canelo and in the end I think the knockdown was decisive, so I'm not appalled by the result and I wouldn't say Trout was robbed by any means, but not 1 judge had it closer than 115-112? I understand Canelo landed harder shots and was the more dangerous fighter by far, but when he fights for 15-20 seconds of each round, and the rest of the time just shucks-and-jives, all while Trout is landing jabs and some power shots (which admittedly weren't hurting Alvarez, but still...), how can you give those rounds to Canelo? I actually think a draw would have been a just result, or at least a majority decision. But in my mental tally of rounds won by each guy, I had Trout winning (especially since I think the 7th was a 10-9 Canelo round, not a 10-8).

The cards after the fight were:
Stanley Christodoulou: 118-109
Rey Danseco: 115-112
Oren Shellenberger: 116-111


After the 8th, the cards were:
80-71
78-73
76-75

I don't know whose card was whose, but you can probably guess based on the final cards...

119-109 is not justifiable, and I'm glad the ShoBox crew pilloried that judge on the air. Not that it makes any difference since this kind of crap continues to happen, but still - this BS should be called out. I mean, seriously - that judge had Trout winning only 2 rounds??? Considering the 12th was Alvarez just taking the round off, he only gave 1 other round to Trout. Maybe he was seated behind Ray Lewis and just couldn't see the ring very well...

The semi-open scoring thing, I don't know...I don't have a problem with it if the judges are competent, but it definitely changed the closing rounds of that fight. The fact of the matter is that it should have been a toss-up on the cards after the 8th, no matter how they judged the 7th, and therefore both guys should have felt they had to go to the mattresses the rest of the way to get the win. When Stanley Christodoulou has every round for Alvarez but 1 at the end of the 8th, and the other 2 judges have it for Canelo as well, it takes a lot of the air out of the fight from that point on.

All in all, a good fight, but I thought the result left me feeling a little empty...I thought if Alvarez won he'd answer a lot of questions for me, but now that it's over, I feel like I still have the same questions as before. He was out-classed by Trout for the majority of the fight, he just hits a lot harder and that was the difference. Maybe that'll carry him through the rest of his career, who knows?

[Dos_Santos]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

You guys really need to watch the fight again without sound and really pay attention to the punching and what lands and what doesn't without announcing influence.

Trout is a damn good fighter, a classy dude, a great chin, and knew exactly what happened after the fight.

Canelo was faster, stronger, and improved on his defense and it surprised the Trout camp. He simply didn't connect and couldn't catch him. The Trout camp had no idea he was going to sit on his punches and counter with excellent head movement.

The only crazy score was Stanley Christodoulou and he is very, very well respected in the sport so to shout Texas hate is nonsense as the guy is a respected African judge.

Canelo absolutely needs to work on his stamina as he wont' be able to give away the rounds he did against a fighter with better pop.

[N51_rob]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

You guys really need to watch the fight again without sound and really pay attention to the punching and what lands and what doesn't without announcing influence.

Trout is a damn good fighter, a classy dude, a great chin, and knew exactly what happened after the fight.

Canelo was faster, stronger, and improved on his defense and it surprised the Trout camp. He simply didn't connect and couldn't catch him. The Trout camp had no idea he was going to sit on his punches and counter with excellent head movement.

The only crazy score was Stanley Christodoulou and he is very, very well respected in the sport so to shout Texas hate is nonsense as the guy is a respected African judge.

Canelo absolutely needs to work on his stamina as he wont' be able to give away the rounds he did against a fighter with better pop.

And the fight wasn't as one sided as you say it was despite Canelo winning. Looking at punch stats in addition to watching the fight shows that the fight was closer than some of the scores in many peoples eyes.

The so called "texas hate" stems from the numerous shady decisions that have taken place there. Period.

Lastly the judge being African has NOTHING to do with anything, so I don't even know why you felt the need to bring that up.

Bottom line it was a good, close fight. Canelo winning isn't a shock as he was the favorite for a reason. The scores made a good fight look like it wasn't close, which is a problem. But they judges got the winner right.

[Dos_Santos]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

And the fight wasn't as one sided as you say it was despite Canelo winning. Looking at punch stats in addition to watching the fight shows that the fight was closer than some of the scores in many peoples eyes.

The so called "texas hate" stems from the numerous shady decisions that have taken place there. Period.

Lastly the judge being African has NOTHING to do with anything, so I don't even know why you felt the need to bring that up.

Bottom line it was a good, close fight. Canelo winning isn't a shock as he was the favorite for a reason. The scores made a good fight look like it wasn't close, which is a problem. But they judges got the winner right.

I never said it was one sided because Canelo clearly gave away rounds when he was resting.

But Canelo made Trout look silly often and was barely touched up. Defense and quality of punching are major components of scoring and Canelo made Trout miss often and Canelo hurt Trout often. There were times when he was imitating Pernell or PBF or B-Hop. And along those lines, people always have a hard time evaluating fights when guys control the ring and fight without volume punching.


Shady stuff happens across all states in all combat sports.

Lol...it has everything to do with it. He is a well respected former referee and judge from Africa and he has zero association with Texas. I thought his scorecard was off but he obviously, because he is well respected, put a ton of emphasis on the cleaner punching. So yeah, since he is well respected judge and it doesn't matter if he is from China or Russia...he just happens to be from Africa. He is an African judge not from Texas. He wasn't some scrub plucked from Corpus Christi or from Mexico (Suliamon's back pocket). There is a reason why the announcers didn't belittle him or his score like in other broadcasts. He is respected.

Regardless, it doesn't matter. It was a good fight between good fighters, the better fighter won, and the losing fighter admitting exactly what the 3 judges saw with one way overemphasizing it.

And after the fight all the internet butthurt was put to rest by Trout himself. He said exactly what the judge saw during the fight.

No expected Canelo to stick to the right gameplan for 12 rounds against a good southpaw with an iron chin. His upper body movement is much improved but Canelo has to shorten up his punches as those amateur haymakers zapped him of his strength.

And if that isn't the culprit of his stamina problems, then making that weight is as both fighters were light heavyweights tonight (keep in mind Ward was 176 against Dawson).

Trout will be back and can make waves in the division even if Canelo can still make the weight.

And along PBF and Canelo, most likely PBF will contract the weight to be around 160 day of. He will not allow Canelo to get to 172 fight night.

[pietasterp]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

Trout was very classy after the fight, no doubt. Although, you can't help but think that was only because he knew what the outcome was based on the 8th round scores.

I don't think my opinion of the fight had anything to do with the Showtime announcers, any more than it had to do with the crowd roaring at every Canelo connect. Trout landed more, Alvarez landed harder. But it's pretty hard, in my opinion, to give rounds to a guy that throws 13-14 punches in a round, connects with 2-3 good shots, then spends the rest of the round on his bike. And that was pretty much how every round went.

I think the margin of the scorecards was only relevant in that it should have been a toss-up going into the championship rounds, which would have changed strategy on both sides. I don't have a problem with Alvarez getting the win, primarily because of the knockdown, but had that not happened, I don't know that the result would have been justifiable...I think it barely is as it stands.

[N51_rob]

Well said pie.

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[RumbleCard]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

I think the margin of the scorecards was only relevant in that it should have been a toss-up going into the championship rounds, which would have changed strategy on both sides. I don't have a problem with Alvarez getting the win, primarily because of the knockdown, but had that not happened, I don't know that the result would have been justifiable...I think it barely is as it stands.

This is really what makes it impossible to look at the entire fight from any scoring perspective. Alvarez knew he had a substantial lead going into those final rounds and cautiously sat on that. We're talking about a 4th of the fight where a guy knows he can coast if he plays it safe.

So even though most of us aren't happy with the big gaps in the final judges cards its hard to scrutinize anyone else who had a final card that was close...if one fighter is basically taking the last quarter of the fight off. Of course its going to look a lot closer and more debatable if one guy gives away 3 rounds to safety.

I don't mind open scorecards but it would have been a lot more interesting had they done that after the 4th rather than so late.

[steelcityjames]

Re: Canelo Alvarez v Austin Trout- April 20th

i had Trout winning this fight. i thought he controlled the tempo and distance for a mass majority of the fight. take the EXACT same fight, change Trout's last name to Mayweather, and the judges' scorecards would be reversed. Texas should never host an important fight again!