Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

[pietasterp]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Still can't get over the superlatives that Harold Lederman was laying on Alvarez before the Trout fight. I mean you talk about kissing up. Alvarez hasn't earned that sort of talk...........yet.

Agree, although Lampley might be worse...other than Kellerman, the main HBO crew is almost insufferable (although better now sans Larry Merchant).

Interesting to hear Showtime lost money from the last fight. After Alvarez, how many more blockbuster fights can Floyd make? Still 4 more fights on that ShoBox deal if I recall...

[JayBee74]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Interesting to hear Showtime lost money from the last fight. After Alvarez, how many more blockbuster fights can Floyd make? Still 4 more fights on that ShoBox deal if I recall...

Matthysse is the only junior welterweight I'd be interested in. Even if Rios beats a "possibly" declining PacMan, I wouldn't waste my time watching Floyd chew him up.

A rehash with Marquez? Bradley?

Showtime might continue to lose money on this deal.

[aholbert32]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Interesting to hear Showtime lost money from the last fight. After Alvarez, how many more blockbuster fights can Floyd make? Still 4 more fights on that ShoBox deal if I recall...

Canelo rematch, Matthyse, Khan and Pac fight after he gets out of his Top Rank deal at the end of 2013.

[LakerFan56]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Yeah, I heard they lost $12 million. That's not great business.

The other rumor going is that ShoTime pressured Floyd to fight Alvarez because of the dismal Guerrero fight losses.

According to ESPN, the Guerrero fight sold 1 million PPV buys, whereas the Cotto fight sold 1.5 million. Name recognition means a lot. Makes a Pacquiao/Mayweather fight more likely if they both win their next fights.

[2_headedmonster]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Alvarez is naturally bigger and stronger than those guys. Floyd may very well win but you can't just discount Alvarez because Floyd fought some lighter guys who had a little "zest" on their punches.

I think Floyd wins, but he will be in a fight-for more than 4 rounds.

Alvarez has a record padded with individuals i couldnt pick out of a line up with name tags on... I say that to say that he isnt seasoned enough, or really proven in my eyes.

But in regards to his power, judging from his Mosley and Trout fights, hes not the boogie man that some fans would like to make him out to be. He couldnt drop a 'S2S' Mosley and after Trout got caught, he went on the win the round.

Canelo is for sure the bigger man however, not sure thats advantage however considering the stamina issues that seem to creep in to his fights.

If Floyd gives him some of that Robert G. 8th round body work earlier, u could see a stoppage.

[JayBee74]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

If Floyd gives him some of that Robert G. 8th round body work earlier, u could see a stoppage.

Yeah, Floyd's body punching will be the answer, LOL.

You have the fights mixed up. Macklin went down with the body punch. "Robert G." managed to survive Floyd's "brutal" body attack.

So when do you get serious?

[JayBee74]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Canelo rematch, Matthyse, Khan and Pac fight after he gets out of his Top Rank deal at the end of 2013.

Canelo rematch???? You think Floyd will win easily so how is that going to happen?

Glass chinned Khan? Interesting fight, but nothing that ShoTime is salivating over.

Pac fight will never happen.

I'd love to see Matthyse/Mayweather but once the Alvarez fight (assuming he wins and the odds are he will) is over Floyd will fight "exhibitions" for the remainder of his contract.

[aholbert32]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Canelo rematch???? You think Floyd will win easily so how is that going to happen?

Glass chinned Khan? Interesting fight, but nothing that ShoTime is salivating over.

Pac fight will never happen.

I'd love to see Matthyse/Mayweather but once the Alvarez fight (assuming he wins and the odds are he will) is over Floyd will fight "exhibitions" for the remainder of his contract.

Canelo rematch: I think Floyd will win easily but it doesnt mean I cant be wrong. All Canelo has to do is look as good as Cotto did and Sho/GB will want a rematch. Also this fight is trending to hit 1.5 mil plus so Sho will make money off this fight. Floyd is also getting the biggest guarantee of his career so he wont have an issue with giving Canelo a rematch especially if they can draw the same numbers.

Khan: One mistake you are making is you think Sho is expecting every PPV to do huge numbers. If Khan beats Alexander later this year, he's the best candidate for a Floyd fight available. Sho will want him because he will be the biggest name available that Floyd hasnt beat. Floyd will want him because he is a name and because the Brits will travel to Vegas to watch him fight. Floyd will also want him because he is as you said "glass chinned". Easy win for Floyd and a potential easy KO.

Pac: I think the fight will happen. Pac's negotiating power is gone after the two losses last year. Pac wont be a Top Rank fighter when he's negotiating. Pac is comfortable working with Sho because of the Mosley fight. Also, the fight was close to happening when Arum was involved so I have no doubt if you pull Arum from the negotiating a deal can get done.

[JayBee74]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Khan: One mistake you are making is you think Sho is expecting every PPV to do huge numbers.

They did huge numbers last fight -$12 million.

Canelo rematch: I think Floyd will win easily but it doesnt mean I cant be wrong.

So you'll admit you could be wrong only when you're trying to make a point?


Finally, there is too much bad blood between Pac and Floyd, and MoneyMan never really wanted this fight anyway.

[aholbert32]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

They did huge numbers last fight -$12 million.



So you'll admit you could be wrong only when you're trying to make a point?


Finally, there is too much bad blood between Pac and Floyd, and MoneyMan never really wanted this fight anyway.

The -12 million is because of the production costs of doing 2 Mayweather documentaries outside of the All Access Series and because they overestimated the draw Guerrero would be. They thought that simply because he was Mexican that he was a Mexican draw which was never true.

Regarding your other point, I dont even know what the **** you are trying to say. I think Floyd will dominate Canelo. I also think that if Floyd falls short of dominating Canelo that an argument can be and will be made that a rematch is appropriate down the line. They have already broken the MGM Grand gate record for the highest grossing fight in venue history. The PPV numbers will be there. For money reasons alone, they would consider doing that fight.

**** up until 3 months ago, there was a good chance that Pac/Marquez were going to fight a fifth time and thats after Marquez knocked him out cold. Why? Because the PPV numbers were good. If people were discussing a rematch after that ending why wouldnt the consider one with Canelo/Floyd if the money is right no matter what happens on the 14th.

Finally regarding Pac, we will just agree to disagree.

[JayBee74]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

The -12 million is because of the production costs of doing 2 Mayweather documentaries outside of the All Access Series and because they overestimated the draw Guerrero would be. They thought that simply because he was Mexican that he was a Mexican draw which was never true.

I'm sure that made ShoTime feel a lot better.

Regarding your other point, I dont even know what the **** you are trying to say.

I was just surprised when you said "you could be wrong". That's all. Meant no offense.

**** up until 3 months ago, there was a good chance that Pac/Marquez were going to fight a fifth time and thats after Marquez knocked him out cold. Why? Because the PPV numbers were good. If people were discussing a rematch after that ending why wouldnt the consider one with Canelo/Floyd if the money is right no matter what happens on the 14th.

Yeah, but all those fights were competitive including the last one were Pac gets immobilized. He had Marquez ready to go too. If Floyd beats Alvarez handily I don't see a rematch. Even if it's mixed at 115-113 & 116-112 Floyd will move on.

[redsrule]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

@danrafaelespn: It is POSSIBLE that Garcia-Matthysse winds up on Mayweather-Canelo card. #boxing

Would be an awesome co-feature for this card if it happens.

[JayBee74]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

@danrafaelespn: It is POSSIBLE that Garcia-Matthysse winds up on Mayweather-Canelo card. #boxing

Would be an awesome co-feature for this card if it happens.

Be well worth the money.

[LakerFan56]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Be well worth the money.

Which is probably why it won't happen.

[JayBee74]

Re: Floyd Mayweather v. Canelo Alvarez 9/14/2013 MGM Grand

Good stuff from Floyd.

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