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  • SPRINGS03
    MVP
    • Aug 2012
    • 1202

    #376
    Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

    Originally posted by ThreeKing
    I don't try and hide my opinion on here and I'm pretty transparent.

    Do I like Mayweather? Hell no. Was I rooting for him to get knocked out? Yep.

    There's no doubt in my mind he's one of the greatest ever, but he's not THE greatest ever. He's a skilled tactician and is very methodical in his approach, and I respect that he refuses to change his style just to appease the masses. I will absolutely give him that.

    But that doesn't mean I have to like him. Yes.....his out-of-the-ring behavior does play a part.

    As far as in-the-ring; I grew up a Mike Tyson fan, and he gave the people what they wanted. Not saying his style is the right one, but you definitely received your money's worth.
    Now i can actually respect this attitude, I have absolutely no problem with people saying they can't stand the guy, but still giving him his props. Nobody has to like mayweather, but i hate when people try to act like he's not skilled and he just "runs" usually casual boxing fans.

    Originally posted by Segagendude
    If I paid big money for seats at the 50 yard line for a Super Bowl and the final score was 6-3, I'd be just as pissed as I am now.

    Fight sucked. Plain and simple. As a casual fan, this was one where I bought into the hype, but never will again.

    Floyd was a tactical fighter?? This is boxing. Last time I was into boxing regularly, Tyson was destroying fools. I miss that now.

    Now it's jab, jab, dance, hold, repeat.

    "You just don't know boxing". Guess I don't.
    Ya'll can have it.
    Good riddance lol, it was said earlier in the vid i've posted, but actual boxing fans aren't gonna let a fight where the guy they wanted to win looked bad turn them away from boxing. We've seen waaaay worse in boxing(horrible decisions, stupid stoppages, etc) and we're still here. If you're gonna let one fight turn you off of boxing because you expected some kinda war between these guys, that's your loss. I'll be watching kirkland canelo next.

    Gotta reiterate, most(not all) of the people saying how horrible this fight was are saying that because they wanted pacquiao to win, if the tables were turned and pacquiao beat mayweather the same way, people would be hyped and saying he's a genius for figuring him out. It's annoying.

    Now i'm seeing things like "yeah floyd won, but he's a woman beater*in my reuben guerrero voice*. It's like ok, wtf does that have to do with the fight? Such sour grapes man. Hell, when maidana beat the hell out of broner, i wasn't salty. I picked broner to when easy, but when maidana won, i was just like "damn, didn't realize he was that tough".

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    • Bamtino
      Rookie
      • Nov 2007
      • 372

      #377
      Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

      Originally posted by pietasterp
      It's good to have some new guys posting here and keeping the debate civil. And I agree that it's a bit selfish of us (okay, me) to penalize guys for not wanting to end up disabled in their old age, but then, there's the whole paradox of liking boxing to begin with: at it's core, it's pretty indefensible. Yet, watching people fight is like a primal human instinct - just watch the crowds gather around any time any fight is taking place anywhere in the world. We like watching people fight. I sort of wish we/I didn't, but when it's at it's best, there's basically nothing else in the world like it.
      I'm not really new around here bro. Been on these forums for many years now. Some may remember me from my FN covers. I tend to stay away from boxing talk on the internet because of the Flomo/Pactard infestation that has taken over boxing message boards and stopped posting here because we havent had a boxing game to talk about in a long time. I love the sport too much to completely stay away from good conversation though. Good to see you fellas are keeping the board and hope for a new game alive.

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      • steelcityjames
        Pro
        • Dec 2010
        • 877

        #378
        Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

        reading this thread has been more entertaining than most PPV cards! LOL!

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        • fistofrage
          Hall Of Fame
          • Aug 2002
          • 13682

          #379
          Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

          Originally posted by steelcityjames
          reading this thread has been more entertaining than most PPV cards! LOL!
          At least there is some passion in this thread. Which is more than what Manny brought. I know Floyd takes boxers out of their gameplan, but I'd really like to know what Manny's gameplan was going into the fight.

          Anyone complaining about the fight shouldn't be mad at Mayweather. If you make it easy for him, he'll take the easy way out and just outpoint you like he does everyone else.

          I honestly think a prime Hearns and a Prime Leonard would have given Floyd fits. I just can't imagine these guys letting Floyd dictate the action. But maybe he could have. I could see SRL dancing around for the first two minutes of each round and then flurrying to steal the rounds at the end. I'm not sure how much Hearns would have landed but he would have stayed at a distance trying to pepper him for 70 to 80 punches per round. It would have been hard for Floyd to walk him down and get inside and land enough to win the rounds.

          Both Leonard and Hearns were 15 round fighters in their prime so I don't think stamina would be any issue. They were also both guys who easily went up in weight to Middleweight so Floyd wouldn't be the bigger boxer. I'd easily drop $200 to watch either of those guys fight Floyd.
          Chalepa Ta Kala.....

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          • kingkilla56
            Hall Of Fame
            • Jun 2009
            • 19395

            #380
            Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

            Apparently Manny is about to have a major shoulder surgery for a tear.

            Seems like a ploy for a rematch. GL with that.
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            • fistofrage
              Hall Of Fame
              • Aug 2002
              • 13682

              #381
              Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

              Originally posted by kingkilla56
              Apparently Manny is about to have a major shoulder surgery for a tear.
              If the shoulder was injured before the fight they should have delayed it or postponed it. It didn't do the sport any justice. I can understand why Manny fought as he did with an injured shoulder, but it just seemed like a Manny money grab. "I'll take my 100 million and move on" No sense in getting hurt, no chance I'm winning this on a bum shoulder".

              Floyd isn't going to bust anyone up if they fight cautious. He'll just take the win and laugh all the way to the bank. Again, not faulting Floyd, but if you aren't going to take Floyd out of his comfort zone, he's real comfortable taking the win.
              Chalepa Ta Kala.....

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              • redsrule
                All Star
                • Apr 2010
                • 9396

                #382
                Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

                No version of Manny ever beats any version of Mayweather imo, so the injury doesn't matter much to me. It could be why his work rate wasn't as much as normal though.

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                • inkcil
                  All Star
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 5253

                  #383
                  Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

                  What a joke boxing has become...and to think that this was billed as the "fight of the century."

                  You got one guy who "allegedly/reportedly" goes into the fight needing shoulder surgery? Are you serious?

                  What a shameless money grab.

                  And yes I watched to fight with family and can break it down from an analytic perspective, but it doesn't even deserve that. As a matter-of-fact my wife needs to apologize to me for "making" me go to her dad's house to watch it.

                  In the end I blame "Pac-e-ouch" more than Floyd "Bored" Mayweather (double pun intended since he watch both boring to watch and bored by Pac's offense) since Pac was the one who couldn't live up to his end of the bargain...and he knew that weeks before the fight.
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                  • JayBee74
                    Hall Of Fame
                    • Jul 2002
                    • 22989

                    #384
                    Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

                    Originally posted by inkcil
                    What a joke boxing has become...and to think that this was billed as the "fight of the century."
                    Oh no, the casual fans keep on talking!!

                    When did boxing start becoming a joke, before or after the people poured $400 million into this fight? The odds of this bout being "the fight of the century" was as remote as Pac and Floyd doing a double knockdown like at the end of Rocky 2.

                    This outcome was generally expected. Did you not know that? And yet that didn't stop the masses from coming.

                    Was Mattheyse-Provodnikov a joke? Hopkins-Kolavev? Klitschko-Jennings? Thurman-Guerrero? Lee-Quillin? These are just recent fights coming off the top of my head.

                    Well, at least you didn't start talking about the greatness of MMA.

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                    • lhslancers
                      Banned
                      • Nov 2011
                      • 3589

                      #385
                      Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

                      Originally posted by kingkilla56
                      Apparently Manny is about to have a major shoulder surgery for a tear.

                      Seems like a ploy for a rematch. GL with that.
                      Mayweather will fight anyone he thinks he can beat. They fight again I think Mayweather would TKO him.

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                      • Jukeman
                        Showtime
                        • Aug 2005
                        • 10955

                        #386
                        Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

                        Originally posted by JayBee74
                        Oh no, the casual fans keep on talking!!

                        When did boxing start becoming a joke, before or after the people poured $400 million into this fight? The odds of this bout being "the fight of the century" was as remote as Pac and Floyd doing a double knockdown like at the end of Rocky 2.

                        This outcome was generally expected. Did you not know that? And yet that didn't stop the masses from coming.

                        Was Mattheyse-Provodnikov a joke? Hopkins-Kolavev? Klitschko-Jennings? Thurman-Guerrero? Lee-Quillin? These are just recent fights coming off the top of my head.

                        Well, at least you didn't start talking about the greatness of MMA.

                        Yea, 5 years ago alot of people here predicted the outcome...

                        Some said Manny could put pressure on Floyd but the popular opinion was the outcome that actually happened especially after the Canelo/Floyd fight and the JMM/Pac knockout.


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                        • King_B_Mack
                          All Star
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 24450

                          #387
                          Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

                          Originally posted by lhslancers
                          Mayweather will fight anyone he thinks he can beat. They fight again I think Mayweather would TKO him.
                          The hell does this even mean? What professional athlete anywhere on earth thinks they'll lose against anybody in their sport?

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                          • The15thunter
                            MVP
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 1639

                            #388
                            Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

                            Originally posted by kingkilla56
                            If you say so. Comparing him to boxers of different eras with different skill sets is not something Im really interested in.

                            But the argument that Floyd didnt knock out enough people to be great is a bad one. If Floyd was a saint in the world's eye like Manny seemingly is, people would be bending over backwards defending him and his "fault" way of winning. That much is obvious to me at this point.
                            well, if we're not comparing him to anyone, your contention is that we should look at him on his own in a vacuum? how do you measure greatness if not against contemporaries as well as the established greats that came before you?

                            also, i'm not saying floyd has to knock everyone out and that's the only way to achieve adulation. what i am saying, though, is that his style lends itself to criticism because of how it looks. i don't think you can argue that it's not an entertaining or visually appealing style, for the most part. it takes a special, nuanced view of boxing to truly appreciate it. i don't think that style would be appealing if it were pacquaio, de la hoya or anyone else, but it's especially grating for the masses because it's floyd. i think we all understand why that may be.

                            it's a hard pill to swallow to have someone shout from the top of the mountain with a megaphone that they are the best thing since sliced bread and then they go out and fight the way he does.
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                            • The15thunter
                              MVP
                              • Mar 2003
                              • 1639

                              #389
                              Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

                              Originally posted by King_B_Mack
                              The hell does this even mean? What professional athlete anywhere on earth thinks they'll lose against anybody in their sport?
                              i think his point is that usually, there's the presence of doubt. i think his contention, not saying i necessarily agree, is that with floyd, he won't face someone while there is still doubt.
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                              • inkcil
                                All Star
                                • Jul 2002
                                • 5253

                                #390
                                Re: Mayweather Vs. Pacquiao DEAL DONE

                                Originally posted by JayBee74
                                Oh no, the casual fans keep on talking!!

                                When did boxing start becoming a joke, before or after the people poured $400 million into this fight? The odds of this bout being "the fight of the century" was as remote as Pac and Floyd doing a double knockdown like at the end of Rocky 2.

                                This outcome was generally expected. Did you not know that? And yet that didn't stop the masses from coming.

                                Was Mattheyse-Provodnikov a joke? Hopkins-Kolavev? Klitschko-Jennings? Thurman-Guerrero? Lee-Quillin? These are just recent fights coming off the top of my head.

                                Well, at least you didn't start talking about the greatness of MMA.
                                My post was not about all the "real" boxing fans who knew they were going to get a slow and methodical clinic dominated by a defensive fighter, rather it was clearly about a the shenanigans of a "three-armed" or "three-fisted" fight.

                                Did all the "real" followers predict that? No. Thus the wool was pulled over everyone's eyes. That is if this shoulder injury is as serious as they say and the reports of surgery are accurate.
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