Strike Frame and Damage Data

**GameplayDevUFC** · 05-22-2018, 09:32 AM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

Originally posted by ZombieRommel

Body strikes and a lot of kicks have changed (with recent tuner). For example, body switch kick has much faster startup.

I agree frame data would be useful, especially to have a HUD display in training mode with frames, damage made, vulnerability graphic etc.

This was the first time we've had a command record in the training mode, so it's very basic. Hopefully in UFC4 it's more fleshed out and less limited. It's still very hard to test some scenarios without two human players.

None of the frame data for the fancy kicks has been published yet though, only basic strikes.

And of that that has been published, I *think* only body punches have changed in terms of stun frames.

But I may have forgotten something.

**SUGATA** · 05-22-2018, 09:48 AM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

Originally posted by GameplayDevUFC

1) The frame data published is mostly correct. The biggest changes were to the body strikes which came I believe with the day 35 patch.

Any changes since have been extremely minor.

2) I don't want to publish frame data that may still change. I'd rather only do it once. Solid doesn't even know right now what I'm referring to when I say this.

OK. Do your best. We are stay tuned for the final Frame data when it will be done. But anyway - BETTER something than nothing at all!

To make more precise - posted in this thread FRAME DATA CHANGES:

- slow down Body Jab by 4 frames, slow down Body Straight by 2 frames
- added an Execution frame (added min 2 frames) penalty to the Longer fighter (to simulate the fact that their longer limbs take more time to reach their target, i.e. slower)
- reduce Stopping power of the Jab from 0.7 to 0.5.
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**1212headkick** · 05-22-2018, 01:51 PM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

Originally posted by aholbert32

And he isnt opposed to making that happen. Its just he's kind of busy working on patches. I personally dont give a **** about this info. So if I have to choose between him taking a day to publish data that likely less than 5% of the community will use or him using that same day to improve things like grappling....I'll take the latter.

you dont care but you also dont play competitively or online. it doesnt apply to you. its necessary for any player trying to learn the games core punishes. yes we need the patches but this rivals importance of the patches.

**aholbert32** · 05-22-2018, 02:23 PM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

Originally posted by 1212headkick

you dont care but you also dont play competitively or online. it doesnt apply to you. its necessary for any player trying to learn the games core punishes. yes we need the patches but this rivals importance of the patches.

I do play online. I also play offline. Also a small percentage of this community or the people who bought this game are considered competitive players. This data only is of interest to competitive players and I'd argue that most competitive players wont study and use this data. As I said before its beneficial to a small amount of players.

That doesnt mean GPD shouldnt provide the info if he has the time but saying it "rivals the importance of patches" is ridiculous. Ive seen a good amount of the things that are getting patched this month and there isnt a single thing that I would sacrifice for this information. I think others feel the same way.

**RomeroXVII** · 05-22-2018, 03:18 PM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

Originally posted by Solid_Altair

Correction ^

I think it moves you forward more, leaving your fighter a bit further ahead if you combo it. But I don't think it's actual range is longer.

This behavior is normal, like that of other strikes.

If you think the flying knee should have special properties in evading or armoring some attacks, I suggest you propose them. Folks might agrree and maybe it can make it in.

Thank you for taking time to respond! I'll look for a gifs in the meantime to try and replicate what I'm talking about along with some game footage. Generally in training, even drilling the flying knee on the pads, once you're airborne above the opponents head with your knee about to hit his face, the chance of somehow a hook astronomically extending itself to hit me flush in the face is pretty odd. I would not mind if an uppercut hit me, or even an overhand for the mid air interrupt/rock, but for jabs/straights/hooks, I would feel more comfortable if those shots hit the body being that I'm already airborne. Another thing, is that the current animation if you get touched to the body by a fist, your character trips and falls down to the octagon, whereas I've high kicked somebody while they were midair in the flying knee stage, and they didn't fall back down to the mat.

Edit: A video from RozumariTenshin that shows him high kicking somebody at the 57 second mark while McGregor is mid air with a flying knee. https://youtu.be/Zrkj3XppTOE

**xtremeba1000** · 05-22-2018, 03:45 PM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

Since reading this I've been murdering people who throw risky stuff

**1212headkick** · 06-09-2018, 08:08 PM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

a stationary jab is 42 frames correct? so where do -6 come into play can someone show me an example

**Solid_Altair** · 06-11-2018, 02:15 AM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

Originally posted by 1212headkick

a stationary jab is 42 frames correct? so where do -6 come into play can someone show me an example

42? Was that a typo?

**1212headkick** · 06-11-2018, 03:59 AM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

Originally posted by Solid_Altair

42? Was that a typo?

i was adding execution execution range and recoery on hit

**Solid_Altair** · 06-11-2018, 05:17 AM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

Originally posted by 1212headkick

i was adding execution execution range and recoery on hit

That would be the slowest jab for the medium speed weight classes.

The -6 is how many frames the opponent can act sooner than you after you hit him with a jab (if you do not combo from it).

In this case, the recovery would be 22 frames and the opponent's hit stun would be 16.

This might sound weird, because the jab can combo into many things. But if you wouldn't combo from it, you'd actually be at frame disadvantage after a hit.

**1212headkick** · 06-11-2018, 05:43 AM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

Originally posted by Solid_Altair

That would be the slowest jab for the medium speed weight classes.

The -6 is how many frames the opponent can act sooner than you after you hit him with a jab (if you do not combo from it).

In this case, the recovery would be 22 frames and the opponent's hit stun would be 16.

This might sound weird, because the jab can combo into many things. But if you wouldn't combo from it, you'd actually be at frame disadvantage after a hit.

anyway we could get the data by weightclass?

**Solid_Altair** · 06-11-2018, 09:09 AM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

Originally posted by 1212headkick

anyway we could get the data by weightclass?

Once it's released, I hope all divisions will be covered. In my video I displayed the frames for the fast divisions.

**1212headkick** · 06-11-2018, 04:09 PM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

Originally posted by Solid_Altair

Once it's released, I hope all divisions will be covered. In my video I displayed the frames for the fast divisions.

youve been extremely helpful

**1212headkick** · 07-27-2018, 10:17 AM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

Originally posted by GameplayDevUFC

Code:

		        Execution	Execution Range	Damage Base	Damage Range	Peak Vulnerability	Stopping Power	Recovery Hit	Recovery Miss	Recovery Hit Defense	Recovery Miss Defense	Recovery Hit Movement	Recovery Miss Movement	On Hit	On Block
Lead Straight Head	12		8		10		0.5		0.025			0.7		22		26		14			16			10			12			-6	-10
Lead Hook Head		20		8		20		0.5		0.075			0.8		26		32		18			20			10			12			-6	-10
Lead Uppercut Head	20		8		25		0.5		0.075			0.8		26		32		18			20			10			12			-6	-10
Lead Roundhouse Head	26		12		40		0.5		0.125			0.9		46		66		40			42			38			58			 6	-22
Back Straight Head	16		8		20		0.5		0.05			0.9		24		28		16			18			10			12			-6	-10
Back Hook Head		22		8		25		0.5		0.075			0.8		26		32		18			20			10			12			-6	-10
Back Uppercut Head	22		8		30		0.5		0.075			0.8		26		32		18			20			10			12			-6	-10
Back Roundhouse Head	28		12		50		0.5		0.125			0.9		46		56		40			42			38			48			 6	-22
Lead Straight Body	16		8		5		0.5		0.075			0		34		36		28			30			10			12			-10	-22
Lead Hook Body		20		8		10		0.5		0.075			0.2		36		38		30			32			10			12			-10	-22
Lead Uppercut Body	24		8		12.5		0.5		0.075			0.2		40		44		34			36			10			12			-10	-22
Lead Roundhouse Body	34		12		17.5		0.5		0.125			0.9		46		56		42			48			44			52			-14	-30
Back Straight Body	20		8		10		0.5		0.075			0		36		38		30			32			10			12			-10	-22
Back Hook Body		20		8		12.5		0.5		0.075			0.2		42		46		36			38			10			12			-10	-22
Back Uppercut Body	26		8		15		0.5		0.075			0.2		40		44		34			36			10			12			-10	-22
Back Roundhouse Body	36		12		20		0.5		0.125			0.9		46		76		42			48			44			52			-14	-30
Lead Roundhouse Leg	22		10		10		0.5		0.075			0.2		46		66		40			48			44			52			-6	-22
Back Roundhouse Leg	24		10		15		0.5		0.075			0.2		46		66		40			48			44			52			-6	-22

Execution - number of frames from button press to contact as a baseline
Execution range - number of frames available to add to execution time based on ratings and stamina (50/50 split)
Damage Base - amount of damage landed no matter what
Damage Range - amount of potential damage added as a percentage based on ratings and move levels (50/50 split)
Peak Vulnerability - how vulnerable you are at the most vulnerable moment of the strike
Stopping Power - how early in another strikes trajectory you have to land to stop it
Recovery Hit - number of recovery frames when strike lands before another strike can begin outside of combo
Recovery Miss - number of recovery frames when strike lands before another strike can begin outside of combo
Recovery Hit Defense - number of recovery frames when strike lands before you can block
Recovery Miss Defense - number of recovery frames when strike lands before you can block
Recovery Hit Movement - number of recovery frames when strike lands before you can use head movement
Recovery Miss Movement - number of recovery frames when strike lands before you can use head movement
On Hit - Frame advantage on hit
On Hit - Frame advantage on block

anyway we could get a pdf file of this

**Counter Punch** · 07-27-2018, 01:16 PM

Re: Strike Frame and Damage Data

If you’re on mobile turning your phone sidewys (landscspe mode) will give the data the proper formatting so you can read/screencap it.

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