New Stamina Updates Video

[aholbert32]

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Well the end result is better than all the money in the world! In order to do this, developers must be willing to prioritise it above common and petty goals, such as making money. But you're right. Most just care about the money, instead of the quality.

I'd care about my job. Not to say that devs dont want to produce a quality product. They do. But what you are asking is for people to take a risk with their livelihood. I have a wife and a kid. I'm not going to create a game that ignores a large segment of the buying public just so a few people can say "That game was amazing and changed my life".

I cant pay my mortgage with compliments. My kid doesnt eat from compliments. My kid could eat from my salary developing a successful video game though.

[Nugget7211]

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Well the end result is better than all the money in the world! In order to do this, developers must be willing to prioritise it above common and petty goals, such as making money. But you're right. Most just care about the money, instead of the quality.

Framing it as just caring about money is kinda disingenuous, at least for the devs. What they want is to feed their family, get their kids the birthday/christmas presents they want, put their kids through college, be able to travel or do nice things for their significant other. I agree that money for money's sake isn't a good reason to do anything, but there are things money gets you that are brilliant reasons to do things.

[Not_Entertained]

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Even MGS 4 has fun gameplay though, like yeah, it's got a **** load of cutscenes but the gameplay that's in there is great! Like, my question is what are these unfun, unenjoyable games that are good experiences? Like, what game are you engaging with on a mechanical level, not having fun, but still thinking "Yeah, this was worth my time"

Or, I'm just really not understanding you and we're talking past each other, which could totally be what's happening!

Well then I'll give you a better description of what I mean! In Final Fantasy X, the Chocobo race and dodge 200 lightning bolts challenge are bound to make you throw the controller out the window! Initially, you're pissed off but after getting past them you feel a huge amount of satisfaction and relief. You know you earned it!

And just to clarify, I didn't mean that the game has to be filled with 24/7 boredom! What I mean is that they have parts that are boring and unenjoyable but you had to earn it and make it through them in order to reap the rewards (the fun and enjoyable parts!). Casual gamers want 24/7 fun so if the game has a HUGE learning curve then they immediately just give up on it.

[Not_Entertained]

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Framing it as just caring about money is kinda disingenuous, at least for the devs. What they want is to feed their family, get their kids the birthday/christmas presents they want, put their kids through college, be able to travel or do nice things for their significant other. I agree that money for money's sake isn't a good reason to do anything, but there are things money gets you that are brilliant reasons to do things.

Exactly. This means they're not truly passionate.

[aholbert32]

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Exactly. This means they're not truly passionate.

Do you have kids? A wife/husband? A mortgage? Rent?

I'm surprised that anyone with those things would argue that they would sacrifice those things just so people can say they made a great game.

[tissues250]

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Nah, man. A game should be fun. That is the first goal of the game because It leads to more sales... Personally, I love realism but they should consider casuals because hard core fans like you.. they don't buy multiple copies. This game is based on reality as mma but this is not a mma simulator. I know that many casual fans wants fighting game added in realism factors. For example, My friend is a casual fan of mma, he told me that ea ufc2 was more fun than this after he have played the beta. I am sure, Most casuals don't want spend many times for learn to sports game mechanic.


I think, this guy is a casual fan, he'd prefer loved old striking system than the new one and 8 ppls agreed it.

[Nugget7211]

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Well then I'll give you a better description of what I mean! In Final Fantasy X, the Chocobo race and dodge 200 lightning bolts challenge are bound to make you throw the controller out the window! Initially, you're pissed off but after getting past them you feel a huge amount of satisfaction and relief. You know you earned it!

And just to clarify, I didn't mean that the game has to be filled with 24/7 boredom! What I mean is that they have parts that are boring and unenjoyable but you had to earn it and make it through them in order to reap the rewards (the fun and enjoyable parts!). Casual gamers want 24/7 fun so if the game has a HUGE learning curve then they immediately just give up on it.

Alright, the sticking point was that I was thinking "Who the **** wants a game that's always boring?" not just games with boring parts, which is fair enough.

[Not_Entertained]

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Alright, the sticking point was that I was thinking "Who the **** wants a game that's always boring?" not just games with boring parts, which is fair enough.

Yeah I know. I'd probably be like zzzzzzzz after like, an hour or so!

[WarMMA]

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Nah, man. A game should be fun. That is the first goal of the game because It leads to more sales... Personally, I love realism but they should consider casuals because hard core fans like you.. they don't buy multiple copies. This game is based on reality as mma but this is not a mma simulator. I know that many casual fans wants fighting game added in realism factors. For example, My friend is a casual fan of mma, he told me that ea ufc2 was more fun than this after he have played the beta. I am sure, Most casuals don't want spend many times for learn to sports game mechanic.


I think, this guy is a casual fan, he'd prefer loved old striking system than the new one and 8 ppls agreed it.

OMG lol...i've heard stories, but never really believed that ppl like this actually exsist. Not all casuals are this way though. I have a few friends that are casual mma fans and gamers and they all liked the beta alot. Only thing they really had big issues with were the controls. But they don't even wanna play UFC 2 anymore lol.

[Nugget7211]

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OMG lol...i've heard stories, but never really believed that ppl like this actually exsist. Not all casuals are this way though. I have a few friends that are casual mma fans and gamers and they all liked the beta alot. Only thing they really had big issues with were the controls. But they don't even wanna play UFC 2 anymore lol.

I think it's very important to remember that this isn't casual MMA fans, it's casual gamers. @Grabaka_hitman who's like the most hardcore MMA fan ever and he hated the new striking system (if you don't follow him, you should, posts great finishes from random fight nights in Uzbekistan)

[Trillz]

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OMG lol...i've heard stories, but never really believed that ppl like this actually exsist. Not all casuals are this way though. I have a few friends that are casual mma fans and gamers and they all liked the beta alot. Only thing they really had big issues with were the controls. But they don't even wanna play UFC 2 anymore lol.

part of those complaints are because they are used to ea ufc 2 striking, having too learn new controls and the mechanics of the stand up feels like a drag for some casuals. so they say change the striking back but if they stick through they will get used to it as a casual should.

[WarMMA]

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I think it's very important to remember that this isn't casual MMA fans, it's casual gamers. @Grabaka_hitman who's like the most hardcore MMA fan ever and he hated the new striking system (if you don't follow him, you should, posts great finishes from random fight nights in Uzbekistan)

Man that's crazy. To think any hardcore mma fan wouldn't be a fan of this kind of striking system totally surprises me. Most certain it's the minority, but a few are out there I guess.

[GameplayDevUFC]

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Man that's crazy. To think any hardcore mma fan wouldn't be a fan of this kind of striking system totally surprises me. Most certain it's the minority, but a few are out there I guess.

I asked him about it on twitter, didn't get a satisfying answer. I was surprised as well.

[WarMMA]

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I asked him about it on twitter, didn't get a satisfying answer. I was surprised as well.

What did he say, if you don't mind sharing? I'd honestly like to know what exactly he didn't like about it so much that he would want to go back to UFC 2 striking. A few hardcores I know had some issues with the learning curve of the controls, but other than that they thought the striking was amazing.

[Phillyboi207]

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GPD how often should we expect a video detailing changes made since the Beta?