EA UFC Stat Change Request Discussion Thread

[Phillyboi207]

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I was actually referring to Aubin’s grappling lol

Very legit black belt in Judo and Brown belt in BJj

Hooker is an accomplished striker and doesnt the accuracy rating actually affect counter ability?

Saki hasnt done anything in the UFC but is dangerous on the feet.

I think guys with striking backgrounds should have at least average striking ratings. Guys with grappling backgrounds should have at least average grappling stats. Then adjust according to performance.

This way you have way more viable guys as long as you play to their strengths.

[jettosu134408]

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I try to stay away from this thread because the devs are in total control of the stats now so its useless for me to argue but I find comments like this interesting. Lets take Dan Hooker. When we did his stats, he was 4-3 in the UFC.

His biggest win was over Ross Pearson at the time. So we have to take his comp into consideration when doing his stats.

His real life stats come into play. His standup is seen as low for three reasons. 1) He has low accuracy....but he has low accuracy in real life according to his stats. 2) His defense isnt that good and he doesnt use a ton of head movement successfully....so his head movement stat is pretty low. 3) He doesnt switch stances so he has a low SS stat.

The rest is solid based on his skills and who he's fought. I wouldnt object to his power being bumped to a 90 or 91 but I wouldnt call his stats a joke.

As for OAN, I'll just disagree. We have to stop being so reactionary to one fight. The Dunham win was great. Prior to that, I considered OAN an average to below average striker. He has improved since working with Tristar and will likely need a bump in the future but he's an above average grappler in the game (the current game mechanics dont let us see all of that) and I think thats accurate.

Now you are right that some of the stats for certain fighters were nerfed or buffed based on 2 things: Online balancing and input from the UFC but for the most part they were significant changes. We are talking about 1-2 points here or there. I think Guida's stamina may have been a victim of that.

Im just curious. How do you justify silvas chin rating, low grapple stamina, and lack of counter puncher perk?

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[aholbert32]

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Im just curious. How do you justify silvas chin rating, low grapple stamina, and lack of counter puncher perk?

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I dont do perks so I cant comment on that.

Low grapple stamina: Probably a point or 2 lower than it should be but he's 40 plus years old and has struggled on the ground recently against DC and Sonnen. We can only judge people by the fights we've seen. He didnt go to the ground against Brunson, Diaz or Bisping. In the fights that he did, he struggled with Stamina imo.

Chin: Its an 87. Which is pretty much average. KO'd by Weidman and rocked by Weidman in the 2nd fight. Rocked by Bisping. Thats 3 out of his last 6 fights. He's also 40 plus and the chin starts to go then. Wouldnt care if they bumped it a little.

[aholbert32]

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I was actually referring to Aubin’s grappling lol

Very legit black belt in Judo and Brown belt in BJj

Hooker is an accomplished striker and doesnt the accuracy rating actually affect counter ability?

Saki hasnt done anything in the UFC but is dangerous on the feet.

I think guys with striking backgrounds should have at least average striking ratings. Guys with grappling backgrounds should have at least average grappling stats. Then adjust according to performance.

This way you have way more viable guys as long as you play to their strengths.

I dont agree with that if we have fights to base their stats on. Saki is difficult because all we have is 1 round so we had to buff his stats some based on striking in kickboxing. If there is a UFC 4 and he has been average on his feet in his next fights, he will get dropped some.

OAN has above average TD, Clinch and sub O. I think thats solid for someone who's biggest win before this weekend was over Drew Dober.

[jettosu134408]

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I dont do perks so I cant comment on that.

Low grapple stamina: Probably a point or 2 lower than it should be but he's 40 plus years old and has struggled on the ground recently against DC and Sonnen. We can only judge people by the fights we've seen. He didnt go to the ground against Brunson, Diaz or Bisping. In the fights that he did, he struggled with Stamina imo.

Chin: Its an 87. Which is pretty much average. KO'd by Weidman and rocked by Weidman in the 2nd fight. Rocked by Bisping. Thats 3 out of his last 6 fights. He's also 40 plus and the chin starts to go then. Wouldnt care if they bumped it a little.

When his 87 chin is compared to others who have that 87 or higher chin it doesnt make sense... yes weidman koed him and rocked him.. i would argue bisping rocked him.. he clipped him with his feet parallel and knocked him off balance but he was not "rocked"... bisping clipped rockhold the same way and put him to sleep. Rockhold has been starched numerous times and has the same chin rating.. weidman has been hurt more than silva and has a better chin rating... you cant just go off of age and assume he has no chin...

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[Phillyboi207]

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I dont agree with that if we have fights to base their stats on. Saki is difficult because all we have is 1 round so we had to buff his stats some based on striking in kickboxing. If there is a UFC 4 and he has been average on his feet in his next fights, he will get dropped some.

OAN has above average TD, Clinch and sub O. I think thats solid for someone who's biggest win before this weekend was over Drew Dober.

It’s more than stats tho or even performance. One area of your game being elite can open up other areas.

For instance Jake Shields absolutely dominated some guys on the feet because they were terrified on his grappling. His striking was still bad lol.

It’s like in 2k where a guy may shoot the same 3pt % or even better then Curry but we know Curry deserves a higher rating because of how much attention his shooting ability draws.

Edit: To sum up my view. I think ability, performance, history, and stats should all be used to determine ratings

[aholbert32]

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When his 87 chin is compared to others who have that 87 or higher chin it doesnt make sense... yes weidman koed him and rocked him.. i would argue bisping rocked him.. he clipped him with his feet parallel and knocked him off balance but he was not "rocked"... bisping clipped rockhold the same way and put him to sleep. Rockhold has been starched numerous times and has the same chin rating.. weidman has been hurt more than silva and has a better chin rating... you cant just go off of age and assume he has no chin...

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I'm not doing that. I explained to you that his recent results led to the chin rating. Age should play a role too though but it wasnt the significant reason his chin is an 87.

If anything you just helped make my argument. Rockhold had been KO'd twice when we did the stats....Bisping and a roided up Belfort (This was before the Romero loss). He faced heavy hitters like Boestch, Phillipou, Machida and Jacare and no rocks on those fights. We still gave him an 87 because of the Belfort, Bisping and Weidman rocks.

I get that we love Anderson. I get that people want to relive the days when he dominated the MW division. The problem is he is an active fighter so we have to grade him how he is today. Here are the people who have higher chin ratings:

Bisping (before Gastellum fight)
Jacare
Whittaker
Romero
Weidman
Jacare (by 1 point)
Gastellum
Leites (Never been KOd or rocked from what I can remember)
Nick Diaz

Now I look at that list and I dont see any with worse chins than Anderson based on recent results. You may disagree but I'm OK with his chin given that this isnt Classic Anderson.

[Dave_S]

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I kinda feel like LHW Anderson should be more better. His worse performance was the DC fight.

[aholbert32]

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It’s more than stats tho or even performance. One area of your game being elite can open up other areas.

For instance Jake Shields absolutely dominated some guys on the feet because they were terrified on his grappling. His striking was still bad lol.

It’s like in 2k where a guy may shoot the same 3pt % or even better then Curry but we know Curry deserves a higher rating because of how much attention his shooting ability draws.

Edit: To sum up my view. I think ability, performance, history, and stats should all be used to determine ratings

I dont recall Jake Shields dominating anyone on their feet to be honest and I've seen every Shields fight since Strikeforce.

Lets take OAN. His competition before Dunham has been average to below average. We know that he is a good grappler but we dont know how good because he hasnt faced top competition and showed he is a great grappler. For me if we have tape and stats on someone that should trump ability.

Ability should play a role and it does but if I have 5 UFC fights on someone that shows that he cant land a sub that should trump the fact that he is a Brown belt in BJJ.

[SMOKEZERO]

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I kinda feel like LHW Anderson should be more better. His worse performance was the DC fight.

And what a heck of a training camp he had for that one, huh? Anderson looked fine off his back. Put the lockdown on DC’s bum knee and was content not getting beat up, losing rounds. Also hurt DC to the body late in that one. Somewhere between prime and what it is currently would end this.


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[Phillyboi207]

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I dont recall Jake Shields dominating anyone on their feet to be honest and I've seen every Shields fight since Strikeforce.

Lets take OAN. His competition before Dunham has been average to below average. We know that he is a good grappler but we dont know how good because he hasnt faced top competition and showed he is a great grappler. For me if we have tape and stats on someone that should trump ability.

Ability should play a role and it does but if I have 5 UFC fights on someone that shows that he cant land a sub that should trump the fact that he is a Brown belt in BJJ.

Shields vs Okami

And what would you rank someone like Ryan Hall?

He is an elite as they come in BJJ but hasnt subbed anyone in the UFC

But if you watch his fights clearly his ground game is so elite that his opponents are terrified of it

[aholbert32]

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Shields vs Okami

And what would you rank someone like Ryan Hall?

He is an elite as they come in BJJ but hasnt subbed anyone in the UFC

But if you watch his fights clearly his ground game is so elite that his opponents are terrified of it

Hall would fall under the Saki rules. High OTB and high sub o and d. Also we have TUF fights to judge his skill.

[Dave_S]

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I would like Hall in the game, but I can't imagine they'll add him. I was thinking he might not even be fighting anymore.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

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So what do you guys think of Dustin's stats now as against Justin gaethje

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[Dave_S]

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I think they both need buffed.