One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

[burningxspirit]

Re: One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

I agree, it is part of the sport. I just don't think they have a place in this sub system. I'm not arguing against their existence, just their place in the current system.

And btw, I'm not talking about when gassed or rocked. I'm referring to the straight up one gate subs. Tony Ferguson has a one gate kimura from back side, I just got caught in a neutral damage/stamina scenario and got nowhere close to escaping before tapping. My sub defense is good, I doubt this is user error.

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The solution for that would be a much larger window to block the sub or the ability to not be transition faked into one. Or perhaps make the gates move a hell of a lot faster for those. Your sub d is pretty great so I know your gripe is valid. I was almost about to say that maybe for instant subs there could be a different system but this game is already unfriendly to casual players that would be too much.

[JimboSlice]

Re: One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

Please address this devs. Im watching a guy streaming right now and all he is doing is picking Rose and Ronda and spamming clinch so he can abuse flying armbar.

The sad part is that he is actually winning using this tactic. People are smashing him and all it takes is for him to get clinch and the fight is over.

Obviously the new way to escape subs was not tested on 1 and 2 gate subs, please address that this is broken and provide a fix asap. If the game releases on the 2nd and nothing has been done you will upset a lot of people.

[Dave_S]

Re: One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

Obviously the new way to escape subs was not tested on 1 and 2 gate subs, please address that this is broken and provide a fix asap. If the game releases on the 2nd and nothing has been done you will upset a lot of people.

What's great is when we are told to use more directions in early stages to help escape later. Lol.

Flying armbar faster than dj armbar from mount???

[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

The ideal would be just to revert back to EA UFC 2's system, and make it so that 1-3 gate subs are rare unless you have the appropriate stamina and stat advantages.

Flying submissions should have an inherit risk to them, as of right now the only risk is a depletion of stamina, The same risk for being denied a transition, that is simply not enough. Flying submissions should be incredibly hard to pull off with major risks, similar to how spinning heel kicks are now. The reward for pulling it off should be highlight-worthy and earned.

[JimboSlice]

Re: One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

What's great is when we are told to use more directions in early stages to help escape later. Lol.

Flying armbar faster than dj armbar from mount???

Yeah its not right considering there is no "later" on 1 and 2 gate subs which is why i assume this was never tested.

Id just like confirmation from a dev that this was over looked and will be tuned/fixed. Seeing them reply in this thread about what the mouse trap is and not address the issue at hand is kind of frustrating.

[Dave_S]

Re: One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

I understand your frustration Jimbo, I'm just confused myself.

[theonlywoj]

Re: One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

Agreed with OP

Minimum should be two gates.

Longest should be three or four

I probably posted this elsewhere, but if you're on stage four or five of a sub it doesn't make sense for the opponent to completely escape. I'm cool with four or five stage subs, but escaping should just take the sub *back* two stages. If you're almost locking the choke in at 5, it should take you back to 3.

Still a bad position, suber has to decide whether to spend more stamina trying to get the choke again or resume top control position, subee escapes at this stage and they advance to a better position than they were previously.

[Yaari]

Re: One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

And smaller hud.

If they want to change subs they should work on some sort of transition based subs for future games.

New sub system is very peculiar.

I just can not get used to it. I dont know why they had to change the last one. It worked and they are talking about a huge overhaul for the next game, why change this now?

[CrazyFooL]

Re: One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

Just got hit by DJ's suplex armbar in UT. Anthony Johnson had it and it was a 1 gate. No way of surviving. First 20 secs of the fight.

[Dave_S]

Re: One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

[Nugget7211]

Re: One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

Nah bro, that should totally be slower and less reliable than rolling kimuras, what are you on about?

(/s)

[zeric]

Re: One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

Disagree.

Full stamina and i am fighting for my life to defend.

No stamina but im on offense? No problem 2 gate submission you lose.

I'm not having problems escaping. It just usually takes until gate 2-3 when in ufc 2 it was much easier to get out on gate 1

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[GoDucks1224]

One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

I'm not having problems escaping. It just usually takes until gate 2-3 when in ufc 2 it was much easier to get out on gate 1

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There is no gate 2 or 3 on a 1 gate sub.

[Dave_S]

Re: One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

Huh? There is no gate 2 or 3 on a 1 gate sub.

If I'm reading it correctly, he's saying in UFC 2 it was much easier to escape the first stage. In UFC zeric normally escapes during 2nd or 3rd stage. That's no good when you are defending a 1 stage submission.

[The Relaxed Guy]

One gate submissions need to be removed ASAP

One gaters just don't belong in this sub system.

Why? It's quite simple really.

On EA UFC 2 (or 1), the first gate of a submission was just as easy to escape as the final gate, or any gate in between. This is why most good players would escape on the first gate.

On EA UFC 3, the sub system is entirely different. It was designed to ENCOURAGE escaping in later stages (as opposed to the first gate all the time). This was done by making the first gate nearly impossible to escape, but allowing you to carry over your progress to the next gate, making subsequent gates easier and easier to escape.

In the last MMA game, a one-gater would be far less devastating, since the first gate was no harder to escape than the last gate. But in this MMA game, because later gates are easier to escape, the first gate is designed to be far harder to escape. And that's the inherent flaw with one-gate subs in this sub system. You have to escape on the first gate - a gate that's designed to be too hard to escape.


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