Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

[chia]

I thought maybe I was dreaming this but I specifically went to Back Mount and flattened the opponent out a few times last night and sure enough my Stamina just evaporated.

This has to be mistake because that's not how it works IRL.

[fitch is my homeboy]

Re: Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

Stamina in these UFC games does not represent real life physical conditioning. Rather stamina acts as a penelty modifier. That's why you can have full stamina but silly **** like arm traps magically drain you 80%.

Best belt for back mount is don't posture. The little baby punches still work as strike interrupts.

[unclebobbydana]

Re: Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

Stamina in these UFC games does not represent real life physical conditioning. Rather stamina acts as a penelty modifier. That's why you can have full stamina but silly **** like arm traps magically drain you 80%.

Best belt for back mount is don't posture. The little baby punches still work as strike interrupts.

LOL What?? That is borderline insane. There's a standard way that games work, and that is not it. Maybe this is why everything is so clunky when its nothing but penalty modifiers behind the scenes.... how many people are drinking the kool-aid thinking that's a good idea? It was supposed to be a temporary bugfix if anything, not the whole basis of the engine.

[fitch is my homeboy]

Re: Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

It's been that way since forever. It takes significant skill to deny somebody and carefully time passes using GA only for them to get one lucky hip bump or arm trap to gas you out.

Think about it. UFC games tell us professional level fighters gas out after 2 or 3 missed kicks. Stamina in the games is the equalizer. In some ways its good, you don't want somebody spamming 20 head kicks. In other ways atrocious.

[chia]

Re: Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

It's been that way since forever. It takes significant skill to deny somebody and carefully time passes using GA only for them to get one lucky hip bump or arm trap to gas you out.

Think about it. UFC games tell us professional level fighters gas out after 2 or 3 missed kicks. Stamina in the games is the equalizer. In some ways its good, you don't want somebody spamming 20 head kicks. In other ways atrocious.

I remember posturing in Back Mount after flattening the opponent in UFC 2 and it didn't drain the stamina like it is in this game. The worst part is that the person that IS supposed to be losing stamina there isn't losing any at all lol.

[bmlimo]

Re: Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

its all about balance

[chia]

Re: Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

its all about balance

Lol there is nothing about posturing on a flattened opponent soaking up your stamina that says "balance" to me.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

I remember posturing in Back Mount after flattening the opponent in UFC 2 and it didn't drain the stamina like it is in this game. The worst part is that the person that IS supposed to be losing stamina there isn't losing any at all lol.

Yes it did - it always has.

[chia]

Re: Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

Yes it did - it always has.

It did not drain like it currently does in the game. Using strikes and draining some makes some sense but if you flatten them out and posture it starts draining fast.

[Find_the_Door]

Re: Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

It did not drain like it currently does in the game. Using strikes and draining some makes some sense but if you flatten them out and posture it starts draining fast.

I assure you that it did on the previous game. It has since release.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

I thought maybe I was dreaming this but I specifically went to Back Mount and flattened the opponent out a few times last night and sure enough my Stamina just evaporated.

This has to be mistake because that's not how it works IRL.

Try doing it in real life.

We brought in pro fighters for mocap and they said holding that posture *for mocap* was exhausting, let along in a real fight.

That's why it drains stamina.

Because professional fighters said it should.

[Papadoc60]

Re: Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

Yeah, it's crazy but in EA UFC 2 and 3 the back mount and back mount flat positions are next to useless when in reality they are two of the most dominant positions you can have in MMA

Really wish they would change it.

[Dave_S]

Re: Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

Try doing it in real life.

We brought in pro fighters for mocap and they said holding that posture *for mocap* was exhausting, let along in a real fight.

That's why it drains stamina.

Because professional fighters said it should.

I have to think it's because hooks are in. (I'm pretty sure they are in back mount

[chia]

Re: Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

Try doing it in real life.

We brought in pro fighters for mocap and they said holding that posture *for mocap* was exhausting, let along in a real fight.

That's why it drains stamina.

Because professional fighters said it should.

Lol I've done BJJ for 20+ years, I'm a first degree Black Belt, I have trained/trained with Pro Fighters (including several UFC vets), and I did MMA way back when for 5 years. While the position is more draining than others there are two points:

1.) There is no way the stamina drain is reflective of the position itself (not even including strikes from that position which WOULD drain more stamina of course)

2.) Blocked or unblocked strikes from that position would be draining the opponent MUCH more than what is being reflected in the game. Not to mention the flattened out opponent should be suffering from the steady stamina loss.

If the fighters were holding the position for mo-cap for a static minute or two or whatever the process is then sure it's going to put strain on their legs and lower back but it's still not a proper reflection in game.

[GameplayDevUFC]

Re: Why does flattening someone in Back Mount drain YOUR Stamina

I have to think it's because hooks are in. (I'm pretty sure they are in back mount

Yes, it's because the hooks are in.

Posturing up with the hooks out is nothing.