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  • Phillyboi207
    Banned
    • Apr 2012
    • 3159

    #181
    Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

    Originally posted by fballturkey
    That there’s constructive feedback and people yelling their money got stole because they don’t think body punch damage is tuned correctly isn’t it.
    Well yeah Im not referring to the trolls.

    Haz has given plenty of constructive criticism. Even in this topic he gave a detailed post of the issues.

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    • aholbert32
      (aka Alberto)
      • Jul 2002
      • 33106

      #182
      Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

      Originally posted by Phillyboi207
      He has every right to complain tho. It’s the only way the game will improve is through feedback. He very legitimate (hint: not illusions) issues with the game and a dev team that had shown that are capable and willing to work with us.

      I dont understand what point you’re trying to make here
      Feedback doesnt necessarily equal constructive criticism. Someone posted a thread titled complaining about the AI and bashing Skynet. That wasnt constructive. It was feedback but that post didnt improve the game.

      My point there when it comes to Haz_ is his posts dont show that his attitude is "$60 big deal". Likely because it is a big deal to him. Not the $60 but that he is unhappy with the game. He isnt casual about MMA games and occasionally his lack of casualness comes out in nonconstructive posts.

      One other point is right now the feedback that would make the game great for him is directed at something that wont likely happen. He hates the new combo system. Well for UFC 3, that isnt likely to change. He wants the parry mechanic back.....not likely to happen.

      So if your complaints are focused on things that arent likely to happen or effect this game, they arent really constructive right now.

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      • aholbert32
        (aka Alberto)
        • Jul 2002
        • 33106

        #183
        Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

        Originally posted by Phillyboi207
        Well yeah Im not referring to the trolls.

        Haz has given plenty of constructive criticism. Even in this topic he gave a detailed post of the issues.
        Those arent all trolls. Haz's 3rd post in this thread was very constructive. Here was his first:

        You didnt make the game more "hardcore"...
        Imo, you did the exact opposite and turned it into an arcade brawler...


        How is that constructive? Its directed at GPD. Did he expect GPD to respond to that/

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        • Haz____
          Omaewa mou shindeiru
          • Apr 2016
          • 4023

          #184
          Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

          Originally posted by aholbert32
          My point there when it comes to Haz_ is....

          He hates the new combo system. Well for UFC 3, that isnt likely to change. He wants the parry mechanic back.....not likely to happen.

          So if your complaints are focused on things that arent likely to happen or effect this game, they arent really constructive right now.
          Lets stop right there.


          My MAIN issue is with movement, and input lag.

          Parrys are whatever. The combo system is poorly thought out, but ultimately it's also whatever.


          Movement, input lag/ input drop, general unresponsiveness, and a broken online camera are my main issues.


          These are the core problems which destroy any possible style but non stop forward pressure.

          The game doesn't allow the pin point control you really need.



          Originally posted by aholbert32
          Those arent all trolls. Haz's 3rd post in this thread was very constructive. Here was his first:

          You didnt make the game more "hardcore"...
          Imo, you did the exact opposite and turned it into an arcade brawler...


          How is that constructive? Its directed at GPD. Did he expect GPD to respond to that/
          Because GPD is claiming he made the game more hardcore to please the hardcore MMA fans.

          But why then, are all the hardcore MMA guys hating on the game?


          UFC 3 is not more sim. It's not more hardcore.

          It's an arcade brawler. Straight up.


          If GPD thinks he's appeasing the hardcore crowd, there are some MAJOR communication malfunctions somewhere down the line..
          Last edited by Haz____; 02-09-2018, 10:42 PM.
          PSN: Lord__Hazanko

          Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports

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          • aholbert32
            (aka Alberto)
            • Jul 2002
            • 33106

            #185
            Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

            Originally posted by Gothzilla
            You should probably care a little more when you are posting your opinions in a way as if we should all abide by them.

            What? This makes no sense. But either way, how constructive you are with the community isn't what concerns me. The positive reinforcement attitudes are what does. A game developer who wanted compliments for an improvement to UFC 2 rather than constructive criticism for a still mediocre game. A gamechanger who has literally defended everything EA UFC from the horrible looking KOs no one likes to telling us UD3 is an alternative. Those things are concerning. Not how you choose to word things differently with the devs and the community or whatever...

            Thats fine considering the same way our "urge to buy the game" holds less weight for you, your urge to defend everything as much as you can holds less weight for me. And just makes me really question this "gamechanger" input and how it could negatively be effecting the game.

            You need to stop talking down on people just cause they have $60 to spend to try the most recent and only available modern MMA game. Thats irrelevant. Why do you keep going back to this? Are you really using that as an excuse to demean people's criticisms? Come on.
            I dont even know what that means. Abide by my opinions?

            You dont have to worry about me as a gamechanger. I wasnt selected by this community. I have very little input on game mechanics. I only care about realism and offline gameplay and modes.

            The weight I hold with you doesnt really matter to me. It shouldnt. I'm just a guy. Same as you.

            Still, the only excuse you have for buying a game you knew you would hate is that "its the most recent and modern game". And thats kinda sad.

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            • mannyonelover
              Pro
              • Apr 2016
              • 645

              #186
              Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

              This whole thread has exposed a lot from both sides from the community and development side as customers and fans we are butt hurt And from EA it seems they are as well !
              From people who were anticipating a great game.
              look I can care less if My Games developer chat with me on the forum‘s as long as the game worked and functioned properly, as they say in the office when the phone doesn’t ring it’s a good day!
              Because it’s business as usual! No complaints!!
              I prefer not to have stupid threads going tit for tat but unfortunately the game isn’t up to par.
              I rather be spending this time on the thread playing the game and enjoying it so there’s a reason people are complaining ,just admit the game is good but not great and work on it but don’t say we don’t appreciate you guys, we spent our money on it that’s enough appreciation.... and if you say that this is extra then stop doing it and see how many people buy the next title.... or renegotiate the licensed agreement..At the end of the day it’s business you got hired to make a game that will profit $$ and in order for you to do that you need buyers...
              Like I said the game has MASSIVE POTENTIAL but for some reason I’m thinking they might be some red tape going on on the EA side Of things,
              Maybe some disagreements and where the game should be heading..Can we just all get along and be open about the game itself and not about feeling appreciated!!



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              • Phillyboi207
                Banned
                • Apr 2012
                • 3159

                #187
                Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

                Originally posted by aholbert32
                Feedback doesnt necessarily equal constructive criticism. Someone posted a thread titled complaining about the AI and bashing Skynet. That wasnt constructive. It was feedback but that post didnt improve the game.

                My point there when it comes to Haz_ is his posts dont show that his attitude is "$60 big deal". Likely because it is a big deal to him. Not the $60 but that he is unhappy with the game. He isnt casual about MMA games and occasionally his lack of casualness comes out in nonconstructive posts.

                One other point is right now the feedback that would make the game great for him is directed at something that wont likely happen. He hates the new combo system. Well for UFC 3, that isnt likely to change. He wants the parry mechanic back.....not likely to happen.

                So if your complaints are focused on things that arent likely to happen or effect this game, they arent really constructive right now.
                But how do we know what’s likely to happen and what isnt? You have behind the scenes info so it’s easy for you to make that distinction. I’ve also seen GPD post that parries might be patched in for straight punches. How are we supposed to know he changed his mind?

                You come off as incredibly biased. I understand you have the opportunity to work closely with the Devs but that doesnt mean you have to be a white knight.

                Haz gets frustrated at times, we all do. That happens because we love mma and seeing this game steered in the wrong direction based on “illusions” is infuriating. That doesnt take away from the valuable input guys like him bring to the forum. His striking experience and ability to articulate his thoughts could possibly sway some developers or other posters towards realism.

                And im not trying to antagonize you but it’s starting to frustrate me that you’re trying to hush one of the better posters. Especially after you asked him to provide a detailed explanation and he did.

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                • aholbert32
                  (aka Alberto)
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 33106

                  #188
                  Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

                  Originally posted by Haz____
                  Lets stop right there.


                  My MAIN issue is with movement, and input lag.

                  Parrys are whatever. The combo system is poorly thought out, but ultimately it's also whatever.


                  Movement, input lag/ input drop, general unresponsiveness, and a broken online camera are my main issues.


                  These are the core problems which destroy any possible style but non stop forward pressure.

                  The game doesn't allow the pin point control you really need.
                  Movement isnt likely to change either. Maybe the camera will. Maybe (hopefully) some changes to input lag and unresponsiveness.

                  So 3 out of the 6 major complaints have a decent chance to be fixed. The problem is those 3 dont need that much feedback. You (like others) can say "I wish they would fix that camera or add a new one and thats pretty much it.

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                  • Serengeti1
                    MVP
                    • Mar 2016
                    • 1720

                    #189
                    Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

                    Think it's time to make another thread about input lag tbh. We should push for that. A bunch of complaints would go away with that. Also with the blocking/movement being more thought out. You want to get rid of a big amount of negativity? Target these two things. People want better head movement. It would be great to have more angles but if it felt smoother... the complaints wouldn't be nearly as present. Technical fighting would be much, much better. The game in general would shine way better if you pressed something and it happened. Seriously. Like when people get in online laggy matches on any game.... They leave. Because it kills the experience. This may not be severe as crazy internet lag but it's related and is causing a lot of the discontent with the game.

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                    • aholbert32
                      (aka Alberto)
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 33106

                      #190
                      Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

                      Originally posted by Phillyboi207
                      But how do we know what’s likely to happen and what isnt? You have behind the scenes info so it’s easy for you to make that distinction. I’ve also seen GPD post that parries might be patched in for straight punches. How are we supposed to know he changed his mind?

                      You come off as incredibly biased. I understand you have the opportunity to work closely with the Devs but that doesnt mean you have to be a white knight.

                      Haz gets frustrated at times, we all do. That happens because we love mma and seeing this game steered in the wrong direction based on “illusions” is infuriating. That doesnt take away from the valuable input guys like him bring to the forum. His striking experience and ability to articulate his thoughts could possibly sway some developers or other posters towards realism.

                      And im not trying to antagonize you but it’s starting to frustrate me that you’re trying to hush one of the better posters. Especially after you asked him to provide a detailed explanation and he did.
                      Behind the scenes info has nothing to do with it. Regarding the combo system, you can see in the forums that most dont have a big issue with it. You also can tell from playing the game that its a big part of the new striking system. The likelihood that they will rip that up and add in a new system by patch is slim.

                      You are free to defend Haz_ but lets be real. That first post wasnt constructive. I gave him credit for the third one when he explained it thoroughly. I would love if all of the posts here resembled his 3rd one. Sadly, they dont. They mostly look like the first one.

                      No one is trying to hush him. I couldnt do that if I tried.

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                      • Gothzilla
                        Banned
                        • Feb 2018
                        • 9

                        #191
                        Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

                        Originally posted by aholbert32
                        I dont even know what that means. Abide by my opinions?

                        You dont have to worry about me as a gamechanger. I wasnt selected by this community. I have very little input on game mechanics. I only care about realism and offline gameplay and modes.

                        The weight I hold with you doesnt really matter to me. It shouldnt. I'm just a guy. Same as you.

                        Still, the only excuse you have for buying a game you knew you would hate is that "its the most recent and modern game". And thats kinda sad.
                        It makes perfect sense. You are so focused on your own opinions and trains of thought, you are paying no mind to anyone elses. Its mindlessness to not realize you are the ONLY person i've seen say the KOs look good and not realize you are the minority. Its inconsiderate to enforce this opinion of people you deem "buying the game earlier than they should've" holding less weight in their opinions just cause youre the type to be playing Madden from 4 years ago and that works for you, when it most certainly doesn't for most.

                        No offense, but yeah of course the community didn't choose you when youre going to bat for EA on everything and demeaning people for silly reasons like them not abiding by the opinion of UD3 being some sort of modern day alternative.

                        The only weight that matters is any you hold with EA with the game changer title. Like I said, the positive reinforcement attitude is concerning when we see it from both a game developer who wants to hear compliments and a gamechanger who doesnt stop giving them to the game by any means necessary.

                        I don't hate it. I never said that, but youre making all sorts of assumptions about people in here so just continue on I guess. I think its mediocre with solid potential, i'm just losing some patience with potential after 6 years. But in regards to your reference of people buying it just cause its the most modern game, there is nothing sad about it. There are zero alternatives. Its a 2 year gap from the last one. Its 60 bucks. No one wants to hate it. And idk how they would know they would hate it besides the beta? But yeah again, no one wants to hate the game, which probably only adds to the frustration of people. But you apparently arent interested in trying to understand that

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                        • Haz____
                          Omaewa mou shindeiru
                          • Apr 2016
                          • 4023

                          #192
                          Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

                          Originally posted by aholbert32
                          You are free to defend Haz_ but lets be real. That first post wasnt constructive.
                          Originally posted by aholbert32
                          Here was his first:

                          You didnt make the game more "hardcore"...
                          Imo, you did the exact opposite and turned it into an arcade brawler...


                          How is that constructive?
                          I think you missed my response. I agree I could have expounded more thoroughly, but there was a point within those 2 lines.


                          -Because GPD is claiming he made the game more hardcore to please the hardcore MMA fans.

                          But why then, are all the hardcore MMA guys hating on the game?


                          UFC 3 is not more sim. It's not more hardcore.

                          It's an arcade brawler. Straight up.


                          If GPD thinks he's appeasing the hardcore crowd, there are some MAJOR communication malfunctions somewhere down the line..






                          Originally posted by aholbert32
                          Please elaborate. Two sentence responses dont exactly help explain your point.
                          Having insane vulnerabilitiy windows after a slip doesnt make the game realistic...

                          Imo its by far the most arcade MMA game i've ever played.

                          Movement feels slow and unresponsive which makes playing a realistic outfighting strategy impossible.

                          Also moving while striking 100% of the time is not how fighting works...

                          Almost every high level fight is guys standing face to face flicking slips in random directions fishing for an easy rock.

                          Almost every fight is non stop pressure and memorized combos.

                          The combo system in general is unnecessary and causes all sorts of problem with input lag, inputs being dropped, effects the fluidity with grappling. People throwing goofy combos in ufc 2 was 100% due to the combo multiplier mechanic which way over incentivized playing like that. That mechanic single handidly mutated gameplay.

                          Movement feel so delayed and slow and slidey. I see openings I cant capitalize on because everything is so slow. You cant dash into and out of the pocket anymore.

                          Jabs feel weightless and weak. You cant intercept people on a start up or whiff with a hop in jab anymore.

                          Headmovment has been turned into flick a stick for rock paper scizzors and real to life Headmovment frames /modes are impossible. There is no subtlety or nuance to it. Just flick n rip.

                          The camera is pure insanity and imo totally ruins the online experience. It flies all over the place and messes with control orientation. I feel like im fighting the camera as much as im fighting my opponent.

                          I played a game with a very high level guy the other day. Im moving movin movin. Hes just non stop pressuring me flicking his head constantly. I try to time hooks. Try to time uppercuts. The pressure is just unstoppable so eventually i just stop moving at all and start trying to time one of these constant sways. Guy stands directly in front of me, not moving, bobbing and weaving, flicking that stick constantly and just Mike Tysons me in the middle of the ring for like 2 minutes. He drops me like 7 times before the KO comes.

                          This is like 90% of every high level match in this game.

                          Theres 1 playstyle at high level. You have a guy with sidekicks or you don't, but pretty much everyone just Mike Tysons it every single game, unless you're a masochist like Bigg Cee and are completely determined to do nothing but grapple.

                          It doesn't even feel like the fighter I pick matters. Everyone is just doing non stop slip hooks constantly all fight. Some guys have better stamina or a spin kick but it all feels the same to me.

                          The core gameplay is just not fun to me.

                          I am a seriously die hard MMA nerd. Like, what good does it do me to hate on this game? That's the last thing I want. But it is what it is.
                          Last edited by Haz____; 02-09-2018, 11:02 PM.
                          PSN: Lord__Hazanko

                          Just an average player, with a passion for Martial Arts & Combat Sports

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                          • aholbert32
                            (aka Alberto)
                            • Jul 2002
                            • 33106

                            #193
                            Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

                            Originally posted by Gothzilla
                            It makes perfect sense. You are so focused on your own opinions and trains of thought, you are paying no mind to anyone elses. Its mindlessness to not realize you are the ONLY person i've seen say the KOs look good and not realize you are the minority. Its inconsiderate to enforce this opinion of people you deem "buying the game earlier than they should've" holding less weight in their opinions just cause youre the type to be playing Madden from 4 years ago and that works for you, when it most certainly doesn't for most.

                            No offense, but yeah of course the community didn't choose you when youre going to bat for EA on everything and demeaning people for silly reasons like them not abiding by the opinion of UD3 being some sort of modern day alternative.

                            The only weight that matters is any you hold with EA with the game changer title. Like I said, the positive reinforcement attitude is concerning when we see it from both a game developer who wants to hear compliments and a gamechanger who doesnt stop giving them to the game by any means necessary.

                            I don't hate it. I never said that, but youre making all sorts of assumptions about people in here so just continue on I guess. I think its mediocre with solid potential, i'm just losing some patience with potential after 6 years. But in regards to your reference of people buying it just cause its the most modern game, there is nothing sad about it. There are zero alternatives. Its a 2 year gap from the last one. Its 60 bucks. No one wants to hate it. And idk how they would know they would hate it besides the beta? But yeah again, no one wants to hate the game, which probably only adds to the frustration of people. But you apparently arent interested in trying to understand that
                            Whats funny is if you go to the KO thread RIGHT NOW, there is a guy NY_Meth who just posted that he likes the KOs. Guess I'm not the only one.

                            You've only been here for a maximum of 9 days so you may not know how I post. I actually am concerned about what other people think. I wrote a long post this morning about the AI in response to some of the takes people had about the AI customizations. I asked for their input, corrected some misunderstandings and even identified some things that the dev team missed.

                            The community didnt select me because I got selected by EA because of the offline work I did for them in UFC 1. They saw my posts here and thought I would be a good person for that. You've only been here 9 days so you wouldnt know that.

                            Never said people WANTED to hate it. I said they played the beta and hated it and still bought the game. If you are going to argue against my point, get it right at least.

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                            • aholbert32
                              (aka Alberto)
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 33106

                              #194
                              Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

                              Originally posted by Haz____
                              I think you missed my response. I agree I could have expounded more thoroughly, but there was a point within those 2 lines.
                              I didnt and I complimented you on it. The first post wasnt constructive. That one was.

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                              • HypeRNT
                                Rookie
                                • Apr 2016
                                • 368

                                #195
                                Re: I hope a lesson can be learned here

                                Originally posted by aholbert32
                                I dont even know what that means. Abide by my opinions?

                                You dont have to worry about me as a gamechanger. I wasnt selected by this community. I have very little input on game mechanics. I only care about realism and offline gameplay and modes.

                                The weight I hold with you doesnt really matter to me. It shouldnt. I'm just a guy. Same as you.

                                Still, the only excuse you have for buying a game you knew you would hate is that "its the most recent and modern game". And thats kinda sad.
                                I mean to be honest, players have been purchasing Call of duty games for years now and hating them, and the only reason they have been doing it is because its something fresh for a few days b4 it is completely dead, and because of their friends...I think most of us can agree that cod's have been declining in quality, and the sales r still steady so its def being purchased for other reasons that arent gameplay related.

                                I also am wondering what exactly the game changers were telling the devs when they seen so many limitations and odd looking things, like KO's for example, were those not something you were allowed to discuss? Are there like Categories that game changers were put in were 1 looks at offline, the other looks at UT mode or something like that? Because otherwise im expecting that all the game changers looked at all the game they were provided and tried to show all these blatant issues, and if these were not identified because someone is a "offline" player or only focused on a certain aspect, then thats the core issue right there... I just cant comprehend how some of these blatant things were not taken care of waaaaaaaaaaay before the beta.

                                While it may feel like a blame game right now, or negativity on the forums, i think a lot of these threads are about very similar issues/problems, because they are so shocking and blatant right in your face issues, like the KO animations, they gotta be among the worst EVER? This was like instantly picked up in beta from the first minute.

                                Regardless before i got distracted, i just came to say that i dont want people flaming each other or the devs, i just wanted it to be a broad discussion about my opinion and my disappointments in certain aspects that i personally bought this game for and most of my friends, like the UT mode which i feel is destroyed, without any reason provided to why.

                                I think my OP stands and sums up my thoughts pretty well and il keep it at that.

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