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  • bmlimo
    MVP
    • Apr 2016
    • 1123

    #46
    Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

    Originally posted by Find_the_Door
    So take a minute to sit then and recover like fighters do in real life? Or actively use defensive head movement and footwork to circle out if it's an active knock down.

    Getting blitzed after an active knock down? That's what happens in real life when someone hurts someone.

    This is perfectly replicated now and if changed will ruin the semblance of realism achieved.
    Don’t get me wrong... I like big damages ... but a better footwork + better stamina taxes would make a better balance

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    • Phillyboi207
      Banned
      • Apr 2012
      • 3159

      #47
      Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

      Originally posted by AeroZeppelin27
      It definitely regenerates slower for me.
      I actually don't mind it as it makes the AI more passive usually, counter it coming in with a tasty 3 piece and it'll retreat for the next 20 seconds to let its head heal.

      It also leads to the overall headhealth dropping much quicker than it used to, which I again quite like.

      My only issue is indeed knockdowns, Drop the AI so it goes into an alert KO and then hit it immediately as it gets hack up, you'll instantly drop it again because its head hasn't regenerated at all.

      I definitely think it needs some tweaking around rocks and KDs, but its grown on me a helluva a lot for offline, I can see how folk wouldn't like it, and in hectic online fights it may cause issues.

      One issue it certainly causes is accidental KOs out of chokes. Chokes drop the sub fighters head health significantly, with the slowed regen, its not hard to say, release the sprawl guillotine once you roll into the mount and get an easy TKO.

      I've only done that offline. Hopefully it wouldn't work online. Hopefully.
      Yeah

      Just to be clear I think it's perfect in general since the stand up feels dangerous. Just some tuning for rocks/kds and I think it'd be perfect.

      It also creates a sense of urgency on the ground since you can't eat a lot of strikes

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      • bmlimo
        MVP
        • Apr 2016
        • 1123

        #48
        Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

        Originally posted by Phillyboi207
        I'll wait for him to come since i dunno his PSN

        Bleedthrough is cool, it's that your health is so low that pretty much any combo will auto drop/rock you again. You're kinda stuck since we can't lunge and block anymore. So if you're dropped against the cage there isn't much you can do.

        I know you're way better than me at the game tho so I'll wait to see how the fight between you and RetractedMonkey turns out.
        If they turn off the auto stand up...
        Last edited by bmlimo; 04-28-2018, 10:26 PM.

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        • AeroZeppelin27
          MVP
          • Nov 2017
          • 2287

          #49
          Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

          Originally posted by Find_the_Door
          Yeah not a problem

          What's his PSN

          There's nothing wrong with it bleeding through. You're rocked and your defense is compromised.
          This also applies to alert KDs though. Which you can't choose to stay down from, that's my only issue with the new regen, otherwise its epic as hell.

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          • RetractedMonkey
            MVP
            • Dec 2017
            • 1624

            #50
            Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

            I don't play on PSN. Either way, I'm kind of in disbelief that a guy who couldn't even figure out how to stop a barrage of 12s is going to tell me this glitch is a good thing.

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            • Find_the_Door
              Nogueira connoisseur
              • Jan 2012
              • 4051

              #51
              Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

              Originally posted by bmlimo

              If they turn off the auto stand up...
              Originally posted by AeroZeppelin27
              This also applies to alert KDs though. Which you can't choose to stay down from, that's my only issue with the new regen, otherwise its epic as hell.
              It's very common for an injured fighter to try to stand back up again to psychologically show they're fine. Maybe they got rabbit punched and they literally just had their lights turned off for a second.

              If you're active knocked down then you should HAVE TO work to create space and survive. If you're hurt then yes you should be more likely to go out. I think the next step is to remove the opponents stamina bar then we'll have a great game.
              Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira - UFC Hall of Fame

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              • Find_the_Door
                Nogueira connoisseur
                • Jan 2012
                • 4051

                #52
                Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

                Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
                I don't play on PSN. Either way, I'm kind of in disbelief that a guy who couldn't even figure out how to stop a barrage of 12s is going to tell me this glitch is a good thing.
                Barrage of 1-2's has nothing to do with damage. That's everything to do with striking volume/pace which I've criticized since release. Damage solves pacing in a sense, but stamina fixes need to accompany it.

                For the record that was day 1 of the patch one of my first games. If you're going to be that way then maybe I'll just cease posting solicited feedback videos that seem to generate discussion.

                As of right now I wish you were on PS4 as I'd happily break you.
                Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira - UFC Hall of Fame

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                • RetractedMonkey
                  MVP
                  • Dec 2017
                  • 1624

                  #53
                  Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

                  Originally posted by Find_the_Door
                  Barrage of 1-2's has nothing to do with damage. That's everything to do with striking volume/pace which I've criticized since release. Damage solves pacing in a sense, but stamina fixes need to accompany it.

                  For the record that was day 1 of the patch one of my first games. If you're going to be that way then maybe I'll just cease posting solicited feedback videos that seem to generate discussion.

                  As of right now I wish you were on PS4 as I'd happily break you.
                  lmao Okay pal, if my disrespect for your opinions is gonna make you stop posting entirely, I might just have to keep it going. And you're clearly not on my level whatsoever going by what I've seen of you, but that's neither here nor there. Let's keep it on topic.

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                  • Find_the_Door
                    Nogueira connoisseur
                    • Jan 2012
                    • 4051

                    #54
                    Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

                    Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
                    lmao Okay pal, if my disrespect for your opinions is gonna make you stop posting entirely, I might just have to keep it going. And you're clearly not on my level whatsoever going by what I've seen of you, but that's neither here nor there. Let's keep it on topic.
                    I used to play on Xbox 360 from 2009 to Undisputed 3.

                    Never heard of or seen you ever.
                    Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira - UFC Hall of Fame

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                    • TheShizNo1
                      Asst 2 the Comm Manager
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 26341

                      #55
                      Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

                      Originally posted by Find_the_Door
                      As of right now I wish you were on PS4 as I'd happily break you.
                      I read this as I'm playing Injustice 2 using Bane. Awesome.
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                      Just once I'd like to be the one they call a jerk off.
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                      **** ya


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                      • RetractedMonkey
                        MVP
                        • Dec 2017
                        • 1624

                        #56
                        Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

                        Originally posted by Find_the_Door
                        I used to play on Xbox 360 from 2009 to Undisputed 3.

                        Never heard of or seen you ever.
                        lmfao What does that matter AT ALL? This is an entirely different game.

                        And true original players since 2009 will know me and the best camp Team Gauntlet. Unless you went by a different name, I guarantee you weren't on anyone's radar. I've been number one on the leaderboards at least one time in each game leading up till now.

                        If we wanna list our records like the nerds we are I've been a champion in 2009 UFC leagues, I've been 2010 LW champ in the UOC beating Premiere Travet - the Kenetic NRG of the old era, I was the UFF MW champion and the very first Live Event MW champion in EA MMA, and I dropped off the map in regards to leagues and message boards from UD3 - EA UFC 2, but I was still high level.

                        Can you out nerd me? I didn't think so.

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                        • Phillyboi207
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2012
                          • 3159

                          #57
                          Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

                          Guys can we stop with the e-peen measuring?

                          I think the damage , stamina , blocking discussion was going well.

                          Since they nerfed block break maybe the Devs will consider increasing stamina loss on blocked strikes.

                          People should have that risk/reward of being aggressive.

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                          • Find_the_Door
                            Nogueira connoisseur
                            • Jan 2012
                            • 4051

                            #58
                            Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

                            Originally posted by RetractedMonkey
                            lmfao What does that matter AT ALL? This is an entirely different game.

                            And true original players since 2009 will know me and the best camp Team Gauntlet. Unless you went by a different name, I guarantee you weren't on anyone's radar. I've been number one on the leaderboards at least one time in each game leading up till now.

                            If we wanna list our records like the nerds we are I've been a champion in 2009 UFC leagues, I've been 2010 LW champ in the UOC beating Premiere Travet - the Kenetic NRG of the old era, I was the UFF MW champion and the very first Live Event MW champion in EA MMA, and I dropped off the map in regards to leagues and message boards from UD3 - EA UFC 2, but I was still high level.

                            Can you out nerd me? I didn't think so.
                            I can - was top 5 on every Undisputed game using Nogueira. Also have been top 25 on this series as well. If you ever find your way to PS4 let me know - I'd love to fight.
                            Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira - UFC Hall of Fame

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                            • RetractedMonkey
                              MVP
                              • Dec 2017
                              • 1624

                              #59
                              Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

                              Originally posted by Find_the_Door
                              I can - was top 5 on every Undisputed game using Nogueira. Also have been top 25 on this series as well. If you ever find your way to PS4 let me know - I'd love to fight.
                              looool Nice two liner. Really got me.

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                              • Find_the_Door
                                Nogueira connoisseur
                                • Jan 2012
                                • 4051

                                #60
                                Re: Figured out why everyone is getting KOed so easily.

                                Originally posted by Phillyboi207
                                Guys can we stop with the e-peen measuring?

                                I think the damage , stamina , blocking discussion was going well.

                                Since they nerfed block break maybe the Devs will consider increasing stamina loss on blocked strikes.

                                People should have that risk/reward of being aggressive.
                                Yes I'll stop for the sake of things hopefully staying the same aside from output.
                                Antonio Rodrigo "Minotauro" Nogueira - UFC Hall of Fame

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