EA Sports UFC 3 Content Update #8 Available Now - Patch Notes Here

[FlaccoNumba5]

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Somebody will likely post it before I get to because of work but I cant wait to see your reaction to him and Machida.

Not sure if you already did, but can you break down how you do your universe mode in this game?

[aholbert32]

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Not sure if you already did, but can you break down how you do your universe mode in this game?

No problem. Its way more complicated than it needs to be and it takes more time than it should

So my Universe has been going since Undisputed 1. I have a Excel chart that has 1 page for rankings and pages for each division that keeps each fighter's stats (wins/losses/draws (pre EA UFC)/kos/subs/bonuses).

I have a separate Word document that books fights. I try to fight along with the UFC schedule so for PPVs I do 10 fights and non-PPVs I do 7-8.

I have a scoring system (I'll explain it if you want) that helps me determine the top 10 of each division.

I have a few rules for booking fights:

- If a fighter gets KO'd, I cant book the fighter in another fight for at leat 90 days.
- If there is a particular brutal fight, I dont book either fighter for at least 90-120 days.
- Fighters who get quick finishes are eligible to be booked in a fight within the next 60 days.

Ask me any questions you may have.

[OPSPunk]

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Bro said Brock Lesnar is just a big athlete with no skill I’m beyond dead

Ok...it’s easy to make fun, but when I say Brock Lesnar does not have all that much wrestling skill out side of size which is in part chemically enhanced, I am yet to hear someone point to a single moment in ANY of his fights to show that I am wrong. If anyone can show me that moment I would love to see it. Was it when he took down fat, old, non-roided, no takedown defense, Mark Hunt down with a sloppy as hell double leg where he just kept falling through to the cage. I don’t think mark turned his body, crossfaced, undercooked or lowered his hips.

But anyway show me some a second of high level wrestling from Lesnar. I just see a guy stronger than everyone else

[OPSPunk]

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No problem. Its way more complicated than it needs to be and it takes more time than it should

So my Universe has been going since Undisputed 1. I have a Excel chart that has 1 page for rankings and pages for each division that keeps each fighter's stats (wins/losses/draws (pre EA UFC)/kos/subs/bonuses).

I have a separate Word document that books fights. I try to fight along with the UFC schedule so for PPVs I do 10 fights and non-PPVs I do 7-8.

I have a scoring system (I'll explain it if you want) that helps me determine the top 10 of each division.

I have a few rules for booking fights:

- If a fighter gets KO'd, I cant book the fighter in another fight for at leat 90 days.
- If there is a particular brutal fight, I dont book either fighter for at least 90-120 days.
- Fighters who get quick finishes are eligible to be booked in a fight within the next 60 days.

Ask me any questions you may have.

If it’s not too much to ask would you mind staying on topic. I think you can find a universe thread in the search feature.

[AeroZeppelin27]

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So its like 3pm on the 23rd here.

And I'm super confused.
Anyone have a rough estimate of remaining hours til the patch drops.

I needs it.

Edit: Ah f***
GPDs tweet from an hour ago was posted on 8:59pm Aug 22nd in his time zone.

So I probably won't see this patch til the 24th. Ugh. I f***ing hate timezones.
It'll be out in 3 hours if it drops at midnight, and 13 if it drops at 10am PST.

I'll.. probably still be up for both like a sad freak.

[NFZ SHooK]

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If I lined up all of the top MMA wrestlers in order of skill I don't think Brock is in the top 50. Here is a little wrestling knowledge for you. HW weights are horrible. I will give you a personal example I was a good HS wrestler. My natural weight was about 180 but I wrestled at 155. My team was very good. The HW wrestler on my team placed 2nd in the state tourney. I wish I could place that high. I never even made it to the state tourney. I would wreck our HW in practice when on the state freestyle team I wrecked other HW. The reason is most HW are terrible athletes. When you are dealing with HW...they could pin you if you got in a bad position but otherwise they just weren't skilled. This is why even at the highest NCAA levels there are tons of examples of guys who could wrestle 1 or even 2 weights below go to HW and become national champs. The quality of athlete isn't there. Every now and then you get a VERY good athlete at HW, more often in the last 10 years. They only need an inch of skill to become top in the weight. The reality is most athletically gifted HW turn to football (take Jones' brothers for example)

Enter Brock...dude is clearly naturally gifted but with some "enhancements". He would be a dime a dozen at any other weight...but at HW he is a "freak athlete". He is dominating these horrible athletes who have little skill. In Brock's particular year I happen to know that the HW division was shall we say light. So you have this monster beating up a small pool of under skilled guys who are inferior athletes with often inferior skills relative to other divisions.


Yes, Judo sucks in a fight. Name another fighter besides Rousey you successfully used Judo in MMA. Rousey did it because it was a shallow pool of competitors. She was a superior athlete when most women did not have her level of training available mainly because of financial reasons. As soon as women could train at high levels and whose training actually surpassed that of Rousey...Ronda got smashed.

Andeson was called the GOAT by Dana White. However, look at it objectively. Anderson was smashing fools but couldn't sell a PPV. Liddell and GSP were selling. If you called GSP the GOAT it would not have sold a single extra ticket. Meanwhile, GSP was fighting tougher competition and demonstrating a broader skill set. Compare the names of who each guy beat...its really not even close. People forget GSP was a striker who out wrestled wrestlers. Silva was a striker who out struck brawlers and bad wrestlers. Sonnen exposed him how he would do against pressure wrestling.

You can call me names but you can't argue with me on the facts.

Karo pariysan.

[AeroZeppelin27]

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Yes, Judo sucks in a fight. Name another fighter besides Rousey you successfully used Judo in MMA. Rousey did it because it was a shallow pool of competitors. She was a superior athlete when most women did not have her level of training available mainly because of financial reasons. As soon as women could train at high levels and whose training actually surpassed that of Rousey...Ronda got smashed.

You can call me names but you can't argue with me on the facts.

IDGAF about Brock, but this is crazy.
I'll concede a lot of the early Judoka crossovers in Pride thought their Judo would be enough to deal with anything and were veeeery wrong.

Hector Lomard threw Jake Shields around like a ragdoll.

Fedor incorperated several judo trips and throws.into his grappling/clinch game.

Dan Kellys dadbod Judo game got him a 4 fight win streak before Brunson demolished his chin.

Machida gas utilised some sneaaaaky judo trips from the clinch.

Karo Paryisian, Mousasi, Khabib, Mir and plenty others have all found a use for judo.

It's not as common as wrestling, sure, and it doesn't transition as well due to the Gi, but Judo is insanely good to learn about weight distribution, submissions, TDD, how to use incoming force to your advantage, ect.

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[WarMMA]

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Karo was at one point widely considered a top 10 Welterweight. Sadly he never quite made it to the top, but he was one of the best Judo players in MMA. Before Rousey, it was him.

[SUGATA]

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As dude wrote above - Karo Parisyan.

Also Judo was one of the main source for Sambo creating. Sambo rules.

[OPSPunk]

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1. Those were some decent examples.
2. Karo Paysian was top 10 when there were only 6 good guys at WW
3. Sambo incorporates Judo, but they are two different things.
4. Although there is no doubt those moves are within the general scope of Judo. However, they are also part of wrestling. When I see Jon hit those moves I see a freestyle or Greco guy hitting a moves. I see a Sambo fighter hitting a throw when I see Khabib.


I will concede I am underrating Judo techniques. But my original point regarding Ronda remains. Her judo is great but what made her special was that she was a well trained athlete in a division that did not have many well trained athletes.

Actually the more I think about it. I think Judo is effective primarily for two reasons 1.suprise, most people dont expect those moves. 2. I dont think too many non-grapplers have a conception of how to stop it. Those move have two points especially in MMA that can be stopped. The initial attack, sliding the the hip over so the dude isnt under. The other thing is to over roll with the throw which almost happened on accident in teh Karo example. Good examples of effective Judo though.

[AeroZeppelin27]

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1. Those were some decent examples.
2. Karo Paysian was top 10 when there were only 6 good guys at WW
3. Sambo incorporates Judo, but they are two different things.
4. Although there is no doubt those moves are within the general scope of Judo. However, they are also part of wrestling. When I see Jon hit those moves I see a freestyle or Greco guy hitting a moves. I see a Sambo fighter hitting a throw when I see Khabib.


I will concede I am underrating Judo techniques. But my original point regarding Ronda remains. Her judo is great but what made her special was that she was a well trained athlete in a division that did not have many well trained athletes.

Actually the more I think about it. I think Judo is effective primarily for two reasons 1.suprise, most people dont expect those moves. 2. I dont think too many non-grapplers have a conception of how to stop it. Those move have two points especially in MMA that can be stopped. The initial attack, sliding the the hip over so the dude isnt under. The other thing is to over roll with the throw which almost happened on accident in teh Karo example. Good examples of effective Judo though.

Sambo and Judo are different, aye.
But without Judo, there wouldn't be Sambo.

And a LOT of Sambo trips and throws are either directly taken from Judo or modified judo trips.

And I don't think anyone disagreed on your Ronda point, she was as one sided as Hidehiko Yoshida.

But her Judo totally was what won her fights a LOT of the time, Sara McMann, Liz Carmouche and Zingano are all hella althletes. Ronda wasn't a level above them physically at all. Especially McMann, who is a ******* tank.

Judo gave her the clinch game she used to knee McMann into the stone age. Though McManns sick a** wrestling totally nullified Rondas trip attempts.

She just can't strike to save her life.
As we saw when she got matched up with a high level striker finally.

[Dankoz]

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Sounds really good on paper, but we'll see how it plays out in game. Anyway hats off about the job you've done for finding more realistic path. On paper this patch looks way better than all the other patches combined.

[SUGATA]

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Sounds really good on paper, but we'll see how it plays out in game. Anyway hats off about the job you've done for finding more realistic path. On paper this patch looks way better than all the other patches combined.

Judo in MMA and irl does not suck. KGB/FSB is using Judo)

But

In EA UFC Judo seems not good as must to be b/c:
1. Bad Clinch mechanics whichever does not use much from Dynamic grappling
2. Throws are weak
Real throw may injure very much

[Freshly Baked Gregg]

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Judo in MMA and irl does not suck. KGB/FSB is using Judo)



But



In EA UFC Judo seems not good as must to be b/c:

1. Bad Clinch mechanics whichever does not use much from Dynamic grappling

2. Throws are weak

Real throw may injure very much

It would be great if someone pushing you in the clinch increased GA only for the hip toss, but no; every stat has to be all encompassing...


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[RomeroXVII]

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It would be great if someone pushing you in the clinch increased GA only for the hip toss, but no; every stat has to be all encompassing...


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That would be great with regards to momentum, makes sense.