How do we deal with trash players in ranked...

[DaisukEasy]

Re: How do we deal with trash players in ranked...

I hope a day when the game punish unrealistc tactics...

I don't think that's possible tbh.. It's the nature of videogames we're talking about here..

What's the difference between manipulating game mechanics and being a skilled and competitive player? I see this comparison a lot and it's always so ambiguous. A skilled player is good at manipulating the game mechanics in their favor, but a player that manipulates game mechanics to win is still skilled in at least some regard to effectively reproduce the same results in the face of legitimate competition.

I think he's talking about people being good using real life fight principles and people being good by using UFC3 specific principles that wouldn't necessarily translate well into a real fight.

[Haz_____]

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Exactly.

Ill win or die playing sim. But youll NEVER catch me doing some cheezeball **** just "because it works". We're playing an MMA game, so lets play 'MMA'. That's my thing. There are plenty of other games out there if you wanna mash combos and play some crazy, frenetic, arcade fighter... But this is MMA. So come on.

Is there skill in exploiting and manipulating mechanics to be more effective at gaming the game? Oh yeah, big time. But why? Why are you playing an MMA game if you could care less about MMA?

My brain is just wired in a totally different way because I just can't understand it. I don't see what enjoyment comes out of playing the game like that.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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My favorite dudes to watch are the guys who throw out rapid-fire 1-2's like they're on speed or something. They're usually hitting nothing but air, but with a guy like McGregor, one of those can eventually drop you. A lot about the way people play this game literally makes me laugh out loud during these matches, but it's whatever.

I'm of Haz's mindset. I just like my matches to resemble the type of fighting I enjoy watching in real life. I'll just eat L's if that's what it has to be at times. Oh well.

[DaisukEasy]

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Why are you playing an MMA game if you could care less about MMA?

That's a ridiculous conclusion you have there. You don't know if someone cares about MMA by the way they play.

1) It's not a 100% accurate representation of a real fight so unrealistic scenarios and tactics are inevitable.

2) You assume people are able to fight differently. Which I don't think is true in the majority of cases.

3) Your opponent dictates what tactics you should use. If your opponent isn't able to deal with a specific tactic, as a competitor you're almost obligated to exploit that weakness. That's what fighting is all about.

That said, the best players I've ever fought weren't spammers or one trick pony's but people with insanely good footwork, timing and the ability to pick out patterns. They can cheese, but once you've showed you know how to deal with it, they're also able to pick you apart intelligently.

If you can't deal with it, you'll just get blitzed and spammed and you'll deserve every second of it.

It happens in real life as well.

[UFCBlackbelt]

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My favorite dudes to watch are the guys who throw out rapid-fire 1-2's like they're on speed or something. They're usually hitting nothing but air, but with a guy like McGregor, one of those can eventually drop you. A lot about the way people play this game literally makes me laugh out loud during these matches, but it's whatever.

I'm of Haz's mindset. I just like my matches to resemble the type of fighting I enjoy watching in real life. I'll just eat L's if that's what it has to be at times. Oh well.

I adopted a different mentality to it. I certainly want as sim of an MMA game as possible and I'm more willing to play like it in quick match, for example there is no benefit in doing a ducking uppercut with Mendes, but I will. In Ranked, I look at it the way I look at fighting in real life, the goal is to defeat your opponent using the tools you have. "BJJ" at one point was considered cheesy, dishonorable way to win, but we adopted to the reality and now its a core component.

In the game world, there are certain realities of what works and doesn't, and we have to adapt, that's what it means to be a fighter. The goal should be to push towards a simulation of what real MMA looks like (in my opinion), but the former point stands.

[OPSPunk]

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I adopted a different mentality to it. I certainly want as sim of an MMA game as possible and I'm more willing to play like it in quick match, for example there is no benefit in doing a ducking uppercut with Mendes, but I will. In Ranked, I look at it the way I look at fighting in real life, the goal is to defeat your opponent using the tools you have. "BJJ" at one point was considered cheesy, dishonorable way to win, but we adopted to the reality and now its a core component.

In the game world, there are certain realities of what works and doesn't, and we have to adapt, that's what it means to be a fighter. The goal should be to push towards a simulation of what real MMA looks like (in my opinion), but the former point stands.

Well said sir. I have the exact same mentality

[VitoBurrito]

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What do you guys consider to be cheesy in this game?

[Haz_____]

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That's a ridiculous conclusion you have there. You don't know if someone cares about MMA by the way they play.

1) It's not a 100% accurate representation of a real fight so unrealistic scenarios and tactics are inevitable.

2) You assume people are able to fight differently. Which I don't think is true in the majority of cases.

3) Your opponent dictates what tactics you should use. If your opponent isn't able to deal with a specific tactic, as a competitor you're almost obligated to exploit that weakness. That's what fighting is all about.

That said, the best players I've ever fought weren't spammers or one trick pony's but people with insanely good footwork, timing and the ability to pick out patterns. They can cheese, but once you've showed you know how to deal with it, they're also able to pick you apart intelligently.

If you can't deal with it, you'll just get blitzed and spammed and you'll deserve every second of it.

It happens in real life as well.

I couldnt disagree any more strongly.

If your doing corn dog stuff like throwing 140 strikes a round. Mashing out machine gun 1-2s. Doing stuff like pumping out 10 jabs to break a block then throwing spin kicks. Etc etc. You know what kind of stuff im talking about. Stuff you would literally NEVER see in a real fight. I simply have zero respect for you.

Im not saying any of these tactics are OP or unbeatable. I have no horse in that race. Im only saying it has no place in the sport of MMA that I know and love.

I kind of understand if youre a pure 'gamer', playing ranked, looking to game the game at any cost to win no matter what. I just dont personally see the enjoyment in that.

Why not just play Mortal Kombat, or Tekken, or Street Fighter, or Soul Caliber, or any other fighter where you can mash out combos with no regard to the sport the game is trying to emulate? Why play an MMA game if your only chasing a "W".

I don't get it I guess. Theres other fighters that are actually made for that play style. Why not just play those if thats what youre into?

Like I said, im just wired differently I guess. Cuz Ill NEVER play like that...
No matter what. Its not happening. Like, sure I can hop on quick fight and mash out block breakers with the worst of em, but I get literally zero enjoyment out of it.

I fully respect you and your opinions, but I strongly disagree.

[raypace1]

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I couldnt disagree any more strongly.

If your doing corn dog stuff like throwing 140 strikes a round. Mashing out machine gun 1-2s. Doing stuff like pumping out 10 jabs to break a block then throwing spin kicks. Etc etc. You know what kind of stuff im talking about. Stuff you would literally NEVER see in a real fight. I simply have zero respect for you.

Im not saying any of these tactics are OP or unbeatable. I have no horse in that race. Im only saying it has no place in the sport of MMA that I know and love.

I kind of understand if youre a pure 'gamer', playing ranked, looking to game the game at any cost to win no matter what. I just dont personally see the enjoyment in that.

Why not just play Mortal Kombat, or Tekken, or Street Fighter, or Soul Caliber, or any other fighter where you can mash out combos with no regard to the sport the game is trying to emulate? Why play an MMA game if your only chasing a "W".

I don't get it I guess. Theres other fighters that are actually made for that play style. Why not just play those if thats what youre into?

Like I said, im just wired differently I guess. Cuz Ill NEVER play like that...
No matter what. Its not happening. Like, sure I can hop on quick fight and mash out block breakers with the worst of em, but I get literally zero enjoyment out of it.

I fully respect you and your opinions, but I strongly disagree.

And that is my whole point here...


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[Evil97]

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I don't get it I guess. Theres other fighters that are actually made for that play style. Why not just play those if thats what youre into?

You don't get it is right. I play this game because I am a huge MMA fan. Not because I like fighter games like Tekken etc. Haven't been into one of those since Street Fighter 2 on the SNES. It's been the only sport I've followed since I first rented UFC 1 on VHS at the whatever mom and pop rental company had it at the time. That being said, and I'm sure I'm not alone, but I refuse to jump on this self handicapping MMA SIM high horse, and would be more than happy to jab jab overhand you over and over and over in this video game until you do something about it.

[raypace1]

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You don't get it is right. I play this game because I am a huge MMA fan. Not because I like fighter games like Tekken etc. Haven't been into one of those since Street Fighter 2 on the SNES. It's been the only sport I've followed since I first rented UFC 1 on VHS at the whatever mom and pop rental company had it at the time. That being said, and I'm sure I'm not alone, but I refuse to jump on this self handicapping MMA SIM high road, and would be more than happy to jab jab overhand you over and over and over in this video game until you do something about it.

That is the point here.. You are just looking for a win [emoji471].. Nothing to do with the sport itself, just a win.. And its blindingly easy to beat that, takedown, side control, let you squirm and wear yourself out panicking, elbows, and you're done... Its not about being difficult to stop its boring and uneventful and not satisfying in any way to win fights like that over and over again..


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[Evil97]

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That is the point here.. You are just looking for a win [emoji471].. Nothing to do with the sport itself, just a win.. And its blindingly easy to beat that, takedown, side control, let you squirm and wear yourself out panicking, elbows, and you're done... Its not about being difficult to stop its boring and uneventful and not satisfying in any way to win fights like that over and over again..


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The joy is being competitive and constantly improving. You won't find me exploiting a total broken feature, but if I can win with just using a jab, then so be it.

I understand what your saying, but your points are all over the place up to this. Maybe if the thread was titled "The game doesn't reward SIM playing" or something. That subject has been beat to death, but it looks like that is what you are getting at.

[Stunna2006]

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good. i suck at those games too but i can still win at this game because it is just simple fighting concepts applied

[tomitomitomi]

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That is the point here.. You are just looking for a win [emoji471].. Nothing to do with the sport itself, just a win.. And its blindingly easy to beat that, takedown, side control, let you squirm and wear yourself out panicking, elbows, and you're done... Its not about being difficult to stop its boring and uneventful and not satisfying in any way to win fights like that over and over again..


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That is how it works in real sports too? If you can win by doing a repeated tactic again and again (Roy Nelson made his UFC career out of jab jab overhand) then why not do it?

[DaisukEasy]

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I couldnt disagree any more strongly.

If your doing corn dog stuff like throwing 140 strikes a round. Mashing out machine gun 1-2s.

Doing stuff like pumping out 10 jabs to break a block then throwing spin kicks. Etc etc.

Because you can't just hold block, walk backwards and hope to get away with it.

Slip or duck one jab and you're fine. If they're spamming it it shouldn't be that hard. Or better, duck the telegraphed wheelkick and they're all kinds of ****ed. You're allowing them to abuse you like this when there are clear and relatively easy ways to stop that from happening.

You know what kind of stuff im talking about. Stuff you would literally NEVER see in a real fight. I simply have zero respect for you.

You don't see it in a fight because of how block break works. It's not possible to have realistic guard system because we don't have that type of control over our characters. So it's either going to be static and predictable like it is now. Or it's going to be complete RNG. There's no way around it.

This is the lesser of two evils because you can actually punish players for trying to cheese.

Im not saying any of these tactics are OP or unbeatable. I have no horse in that race. Im only saying it has no place in the sport of MMA that I know and love.

This is not MMA. This is an MMA game.

I kind of understand if youre a pure 'gamer', playing ranked, looking to game the game at any cost to win no matter what. I just dont personally see the enjoyment in that.

Will you use a tactic that people use IRL that literally has a 0.0% chance of working in the game? Liking trying to KO someone from bottom fullguard?

Why not just play Mortal Kombat, or Tekken, or Street Fighter, or Soul Caliber, or any other fighter where you can mash out combos with no regard to the sport the game is trying to emulate? Why play an MMA game if your only chasing a "W".

Silly straw man.

Two can play that game!

Why play any video game if you're looking for an authentic MMA experience? Why not just go to your local gym and actually train hmm?!

I don't get it I guess. Theres other fighters that are actually made for that play style. Why not just play those if thats what youre into?

I know the answer to that, but you'd better sit down for this one, it'll blow you're ****ing mind

It's because they like UFC3 (because they're MMA fans).

*Gasp* NO WAAAAAAAAAY! SERIOUSLY?!

Yeah man.. Unreal, I know..

Like I said, im just wired differently I guess. Cuz Ill NEVER play like that.

Are you on PS4?