EA Sports UFC 3 Patch 1.13 Available Now - Patch Notes Here

[aholbert32]

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Wouldn't the UFC be explained how exactly these would work? I do see the potential issue though, if they want to promote all division they wouldn't like people perceiving them as full of pillow-fisted fighters. What's their actual stance on the ratings in general by the way, what is their standpoint?

So here is the problem with that idea: So Henry Cejudo would have like a 68 rating. While he would be at the top of FlyW division he would be rated less than guys at the bottom of WW like Ben Saunders.

Problem #1 is that the UFC doesnt ever want their fighters to appear as lesser than. Its a bad look to have a champion like Cejudo or Dillashaw rated lower than a mid-level WW or MW.

Problem #2 is the backlash when Cejudo finds out. How do you think DJ would've felt if he was a 71? Have you ever seen NBA players react to their NBA 2k rating if its lower than what they want? This would be 10 times worse. Negative tweets. Claims that the UFC doesnt care about lower weight fighters. Its wouldnt be good.

[Kingslayer04]

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So here is the problem with that idea: So Henry Cejudo would have like a 68 rating. While he would be at the top of FlyW division he would be rated less than guys at the bottom of WW like Ben Saunders.

Problem #1 is that the UFC doesnt ever want their fighters to appear as lesser than. Its a bad look to have a champion like Cejudo or Dillashaw rated lower than a mid-level WW or MW.

Problem #2 is the backlash when Cejudo finds out. How do you think DJ would've felt if he was a 71? Have you ever seen NBA players react to their NBA 2k rating if its lower than what they want? This would be 10 times worse. Negative tweets. Claims that the UFC doesnt care about lower weight fighters. Its wouldnt be good.

I guess I had answered my own question though. I personally don't care, and actually agree with the current system, the only thing I care about is whether it's possible to convey the differences in power and weight in Open weight fights. If they can actually figure this out without touching the stats it would be great.

[BigSmoke]

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The game was literally released with a roster that was already painfully outdated and has been playing catchup ever since. I don't see how you could argue that. I could rattle off a list of about 30 guys id like to see in the game, and I wouldn't even be reaching.


Marcin Tybura
Justin Willis
Justin Ledet
Anthony Smith
Dominick Reyes
Ion Cutelaba
Jared Cannonier
Khalil Rountree Jr.
Nikita Krylov
Tyson Pedro
Antonio Carlos Jr.
Eryk Anders
Thiago Santos
Belal Muhammad
Bryan Barberena
James Krause
Li Jingliang
Niko Price
Nordine Taleb
Sergio Moraes
Vicente Luque
David Teymur
Drakkar Klose
Francisco Trinaldo
Gleison Tibau
Gregor Gillespie
Islam Makhachev
Lando Vannata
Mairbek Taisumov
Alexander Volkanovski
Andre Fili
Calvin Kattar
Godofredo Pepey
Jason Knight
Kyle Bochniak
Rick Glenn
Ryan Hall
Shane Burgos
Brian Kelleher
Rani Yahya
Rob Font
Alexandre Pantoja
Tatiana Suarez
Cortney Casey


I mean, there's over 40 already. The crazy part is that there are even more I could list.

Yes this roster is incredibly weak, especially compared to ufc 2. UFC 2 had guys I hadn't even heard of on that roster, and I consider myself fairly hardcore fan and try to watch all events. Now wouldve been the perfect time to get like a lhw patch, Santos, Smith, Reyes and Krylov would've been perfect additions.

Instead we get fighters no one really asked for and Chael Sonnen. I'm not really mad about the patch, more the fact we didn't get santos and smith, hell Smith and Reyes are both top 10 guys who could be fighting for a belt within a year. Last thing they need is another EA UFC 1 Tj Dillashaw situation on their hands where the champ wasn't even in the game. Lol

[ragreynolds]

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So here is the problem with that idea: So Henry Cejudo would have like a 68 rating. While he would be at the top of FlyW division he would be rated less than guys at the bottom of WW like Ben Saunders.

Problem #1 is that the UFC doesnt ever want their fighters to appear as lesser than. Its a bad look to have a champion like Cejudo or Dillashaw rated lower than a mid-level WW or MW.

Problem #2 is the backlash when Cejudo finds out. How do you think DJ would've felt if he was a 71? Have you ever seen NBA players react to their NBA 2k rating if its lower than what they want? This would be 10 times worse. Negative tweets. Claims that the UFC doesnt care about lower weight fighters. Its wouldnt be good.

I get what you’re saying, but wouldn’t Cejudo make up for that power with speed? No one is gonna argue that Ben Saunders doesn’t hit harder than Cejudo, but they’re also not gonna say Saunders is faster than Cejudo, so it would balance itself out. The only stats that would even be an issue are the ones relating to speed and power. Stuff like takedown defence or blocking doesn’t change depending on weight, so I honestly don’t think it’d be an issue at all.

Cejudo might have 60 power for his punches, but he’d have maybe 90 speed for his punches. Someone mid ranked WW would have a 78 for punch power and a 70 for the speed. So it would fix itself because basically all the other stats would stay the same.

[Kingslayer04]

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I get what you’re saying, but wouldn’t Cejudo make up for that power with speed? No one is gonna argue that Ben Saunders doesn’t hit harder than Cejudo, but they’re also not gonna say Saunders is faster than Cejudo, so it would balance itself out. The only stats that would even be an issue are the ones relating to speed and power. Stuff like takedown defence or blocking doesn’t change depending on weight, so I honestly don’t think it’d be an issue at all.

Cejudo might have 60 power for his punches, but he’d have maybe 90 speed for his punches. Someone mid ranked WW would have a 78 for punch power and a 70 for the speed. So it would fix itself because basically all the other stats would stay the same.

Yeah but in Open Weight will Cejudo be able to stuff a takedown from DC since they both have good grappling? He shouldn't be. It's not only speed and power. Can DJ take a shot from Ngannou, despite having a chin? He shouldn't be able to. And so on and so forth.

[InverseMMA]

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What about an icon Rashad?

[GameplayDevUFC]

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Yeah but in Open Weight will Cejudo be able to stuff a takedown from DC since they both have good grappling? He shouldn't be. It's not only speed and power. Can DJ take a shot from Ngannou, despite having a chin? He shouldn't be able to. And so on and so forth.

In open weight tournaments there's a weight class power modifier under the hood to handle that.

It's not in ultimate team though as that would really mess with the balance of that mode.

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[Kingslayer04]

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In open weight tournaments there's a weight class power modifier under the hood to handle that.

It's not in ultimate team though as that would really mess with the balance of that mode.

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Oh, now that you mentioned it, I think we had a discussion on here about that. I must have forgotten. But that was about power. I'm still pretty sure Ricardo Lamas took down a much heavier fighter in one of those though, I think it was Ngannou actually. Could you say something more about how that works?

[MeowingForVengeance]

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What about an icon Rashad?

Do want. Also: icon Big Nog and icon Miesha Tate.

[aholbert32]

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I get what you’re saying, but wouldn’t Cejudo make up for that power with speed? No one is gonna argue that Ben Saunders doesn’t hit harder than Cejudo, but they’re also not gonna say Saunders is faster than Cejudo, so it would balance itself out. The only stats that would even be an issue are the ones relating to speed and power. Stuff like takedown defence or blocking doesn’t change depending on weight, so I honestly don’t think it’d be an issue at all.

Cejudo might have 60 power for his punches, but he’d have maybe 90 speed for his punches. Someone mid ranked WW would have a 78 for punch power and a 70 for the speed. So it would fix itself because basically all the other stats would stay the same.

Lets go more extreme with it. Cejudo vs. Overeem.

Lets focus on grappling. Cejudo is a Olympic wrestler but he is significantly smaller than Overeem. Since we are comparing weight class against weight class, he would be significantly lower in every category except for maybe sub O and sub D. I also argue that takedown defense is weight dependent. No matter how good Cejudo is defending takedowns, he would have an issue defending takedowns against someone who is trained and outweighes him by 140 pounds.

[TheRizzzle]

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So here is the problem with that idea: So Henry Cejudo would have like a 68 rating. While he would be at the top of FlyW division he would be rated less than guys at the bottom of WW like Ben Saunders.

Problem #1 is that the UFC doesnt ever want their fighters to appear as lesser than. Its a bad look to have a champion like Cejudo or Dillashaw rated lower than a mid-level WW or MW.

Problem #2 is the backlash when Cejudo finds out. How do you think DJ would've felt if he was a 71? Have you ever seen NBA players react to their NBA 2k rating if its lower than what they want? This would be 10 times worse. Negative tweets. Claims that the UFC doesnt care about lower weight fighters. Its wouldnt be good.

But would DJ understand how the rating system works if he had 99 speed?

Do offensive lineman in the NFL get mad when their QB throw rating is 13? Nope. They know who they are.

I get what you're saying. I'm just debunking this idea that the rating system couldn't work when it does in other sports. It doesn't work for the UFC because of PR, but it absolutely would work as a video game mechanic.

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[TheRizzzle]

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Lets go more extreme with it. Cejudo vs. Overeem.

Lets focus on grappling. Cejudo is a Olympic wrestler but he is significantly smaller than Overeem. Since we are comparing weight class against weight class, he would be significantly lower in every category except for maybe sub O and sub D. I also argue that takedown defense is weight dependent. No matter how good Cejudo is defending takedowns, he would have an issue defending takedowns against someone who is trained and outweighes him by 140 pounds.

But this is where a strength rating would come in. So just like two guys in Madden can have 99 speed, one could have a much higher agility rating or acceleration rating and now not all 99 speeds mean the same thing when applied in the game.

Some guys can run at 99 speed in a straight line while some can retain that speed while cutting and get to that top speed faster when jukingand getting in an out of moves.

So 99 wrestling would be a skill advantage but because he doesn't have the physical stat of strength that Overeem would have, it would be negated and he'd have a difficult time taking Overeem down, damn near impossible.

The argument that it's a PR nightmare makes sense, but the argument that it doesn't make sense for a sports title if someone were making it to my ears would fall deaf.

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[aholbert32]

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But this is where a strength rating would come in. So just like two guys in Madden can have 99 speed, one could have a much higher agility rating or acceleration rating and now not all 99 speeds mean the same thing when applied in the game.

Some guys can run at 99 speed in a straight line while some can retain that speed while cutting and get to that top speed faster when jukingand getting in an out of moves.

So 99 wrestling would be a skill advantage but because he doesn't have the physical stat of strength that Overeem would have, it would be negated and he'd have a difficult time taking Overeem down, damn near impossible.

The argument that it's a PR nightmare makes sense, but the argument that it doesn't make sense for a sports title if someone were making it to my ears would fall deaf.

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Thats not the argument I'm making. My argument is that it doesnt equal out numbers wise because of the categories. Cejudo will likely always be significantly lower than most HWs numbers wise and that is a horrible look for the UFC and Cejudo. Thats why it will never happen.

If people want a 0-100 system, thats fine. There are issues with that and I dont think it will completely result in what people want but its not an unnecessary request. If people want a system that compares fighters across weight classes.....that would be a PR disaster and will likely never happen.

[TheRizzzle]

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Thats not the argument I'm making. My argument is that it doesnt equal out numbers wise because of the categories. Cejudo will likely always be significantly lower than most HWs numbers wise and that is a horrible look for the UFC and Cejudo. Thats why it will never happen.

If people want a 0-100 system, thats fine. There are issues with that and I dont think it will completely result in what people want but its not an unnecessary request. If people want a system that compares fighters across weight classes.....that would be a PR disaster and will likely never happen.

I think with more statistical categories and nuisance in the available stats it would work. Under the current system, no.

Look at Madden. They got a tooooooon of ratings categories compared to the UFC. Or NBA2K.



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[aholbert32]

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But would DJ understand how the rating system works if he had 99 speed?

Do offensive lineman in the NFL get mad when their QB throw rating is 13? Nope. They know who they are.

I get what you're saying. I'm just debunking this idea that the rating system couldn't work when it does in other sports. It doesn't work for the UFC because of PR, but it absolutely would work as a video game mechanic.

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DJ wouldnt just look at speed. He would be looking at his grappling OVR and get upset that its lower than Tim Johnson. Also do you expect EA or the UFC to personally go to each fighter and explain the system?

The OL comparison doesnt work because OL arent allowed to throw the ball. They expect to be a 13 because they dont thrown the ball. DJ takes down people all the time. So he would be a little confused why his rating was in the 70s when Tim Johnson's is an 85.