Great game, but I have frustrations

[bmlimo]

Re: Great game, but I have frustrations

I guess he is just trying to impersonate retracted monkey kkkk
Retracted has more charisma.

[HereticFighter]

Re: Great game, but I have frustrations

By the way....are we still cool with how slow it is to block body kicks ?

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This is one of the most annoying things that still drives me crazy. Sometimes you KNOW you blocked and eat it anyways. It think thats why they nerfed the speed on the lateral kicks rather than fix the problem. Same with the huge vulnerability to lateral strikes.

[1212headkick]

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Lol sorry that this game is your entire life and you feel personally attacked over any fair criticism

You implied the games nothing but 634 spam saying theres no counter to it when there is. Your criticism wasnt remotely fair from the start. You want a particular combo changed cuz you cant stop it because you always duck into it. Retracted was in a camp with me so we do think alike but i often disagree with him. Were here to discuss the game. Sorry I triggered you. I know losing is a sensitive subject

[micmuted]

Re: Great game, but I have frustrations

You implied the games nothing but 634 spam saying theres no counter to it when there is. Your criticism wasnt remotely fair from the start. You want a particular combo changed cuz you cant stop it because you always duck into it. Retracted was in a camp with me so we do think alike but i often disagree with him. Were here to discuss the game. Sorry I triggered you. I know losing is a sensitive subject

when did i say there was no counter? I never said it was unstoppable it’s just boring and the game shouldn’t reward spamming but it does

if you wanna pretend the games perfect that’s on you, the rest of us actually wanna see improvement

[FadeawayJay]

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Man, I don't know why these new guys always destroy any goodwill they were owed with a respectable and understandable first post by reverting to whining about the game's learning curve.

Seriously. Just because it's an MMA game and they like the UFC they think they're entitled to sit down and immediately click with the controls and gameplay. Fans of Dark Souls and Devil May Cry don't complain that the game is too hard. They understand that the difficulty is part of the experience, so long as it is fair (which, if it wasn't at launch, it most certainly is now for UFC3).

I think that's a little unfair. My last post was written on my phone, and I have big fingers making long texts kind of hard. So it was written in a hurry, and might have come off more "whiny" than intended. My point is not to complain about the difficulty. I don't mind losing. I have quite a few guys I've met online that I play every once in a while, who I lose to all the time. I enjoy the fights though because I like their style.

I hate playing the forward pressure guys, but I'm not complaining about it being possible. I think I was actually pretty clear in my last post, that the reason I a losing to these guys is because they're just better than me, and because of the complexity of this game, higher level players can get wins on lower level players with weird tactics. (which is a good thing, that's the case in real life too, just look at Mayweather vs Tenshin).

My only really complaint (not only a "frustration") is that it's hard to find competitive matches. I go on ranked, I get absolutely mauled. I go on play now and I solely face complete newbies who just spam buttons. It's hard to enjoy a game where you only get competitive fights every 15th fight. That's my only complaint. Other things mentioned are frustrations, and I tried to make clear it wasn't anything I'd liked "fixed", as it came as a result of the game being very complex and my skills just not being up there with these guys I'm matched with.

Basically, I like that there's a high learning curve. That tells you it's a well crafted MMA game. What I don't like is how hard it is to find people to fight who are my level, as I don't have the time to climb that steep a learning curve to reach a skill level comparable to all of you guys who clearly invest a lot of time in the game (which is great by the way, you're probably the reason devs keep updating this game, just in case another guy tries his best to find a point to misinterpret and overreact on).

[RetractedMonkey]

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I think that's a little unfair. My last post was written on my phone, and I have big fingers making long texts kind of hard. So it was written in a hurry, and might have come off more "whiny" than intended. My point is not to complain about the difficulty. I don't mind losing. I have quite a few guys I've met online that I play every once in a while, who I lose to all the time. I enjoy the fights though because I like their style.

I hate playing the forward pressure guys, but I'm not complaining about it being possible. I think I was actually pretty clear in my last post, that the reason I a losing to these guys is because they're just better than me, and because of the complexity of this game, higher level players can get wins on lower level players with weird tactics. (which is a good thing, that's the case in real life too, just look at Mayweather vs Tenshin).

My only really complaint (not only a "frustration") is that it's hard to find competitive matches. I go on ranked, I get absolutely mauled. I go on play now and I solely face complete newbies who just spam buttons. It's hard to enjoy a game where you only get competitive fights every 15th fight. That's my only complaint. Other things mentioned are frustrations, and I tried to make clear it wasn't anything I'd liked "fixed", as it came as a result of the game being very complex and my skills just not being up there with these guys I'm matched with.

Basically, I like that there's a high learning curve. That tells you it's a well crafted MMA game. What I don't like is how hard it is to find people to fight who are my level, as I don't have the time to climb that steep a learning curve to reach a skill level comparable to all of you guys who clearly invest a lot of time in the game (which is great by the way, you're probably the reason devs keep updating this game, just in case another guy tries his best to find a point to misinterpret and overreact on).

lmfao I was actually about to prepare a response that was, in part, an apology, but you ruined it with your last line. That indicates to me, a lack of authenticity in what you've said. Or emotional intelligence, if anything. You couldn't see how someone could easily misinterpret what you were saying (over the internet no less)? Can't blame your "big fingers" on that one. That's actually a new one for me. Especially considering the fact that your post was longer than any of mine. People conduct themselves like you so often on this board and wonder why I hold so much disdain for it.

[FadeawayJay]

Re: Great game, but I have frustrations

Man, I don't know why these new guys always destroy any goodwill they were owed with a respectable and understandable first post by reverting to whining about the game's learning curve.

Seriously. Just because it's an MMA game and they like the UFC they think they're entitled to sit down and immediately click with the controls and gameplay. Fans of Dark Souls and Devil May Cry don't complain that the game is too hard. They understand that the difficulty is part of the experience, so long as it is fair (which, if it wasn't at launch, it most certainly is now for UFC3).

Another thing, why wouldn't you be allowed to complain about the learning curve? I personally don't have a problem with the steep learning curve, but if someone does, they're allowed to complain. If the want a plug n' play game, they're allowed to voice that want. Wether the devs will/should grant them that is another thing, and luckily you and the rest of this board can counter the arguments. Making them sound like borderline evil people because they want an easier game is pretty weird.

You're obviously heavily invested in this game, which is okay. But people have frustrations, and just because you're able to overcome the difficulties they're facing doesn't make their complaints invalid. We don't all have the sparetime or will to play this game several hours each day - even per week. That doesn't invalidate someone from voicing frustrations with a game they purchased. For some, watching and liking the UFC does make them feel entitled to sit down and be comfortable with the controls of a UFC game. You think differently - and I do so to to some extent - but they still have a point.

Also, you can't pretend there isn't ANY issues with the game. Like, it's a F*CKING good MMA game, but the fact that it's pretty impossible to see a fight with no knockdowns proves there is still room for improvements. And there always will be, which is why we have boards like these. Contrary to your belief, I don't think this is board was though of as your little echo chamber, where only posts you can accept is allowed. If anyone is feeling entitled here, I guess it's you.

[FadeawayJay]

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lmfao I was actually about to prepare a response that was, in part, an apology, but you ruined it with your last line. That indicates to me, a lack of authenticity in what you've said. Or emotional intelligence, if anything. You couldn't see how someone could easily misinterpret what you were saying (over the internet no less)? Can't blame your "big fingers" on that one. That's actually a new one for me. Especially considering the fact that your post was longer than any of mine. People conduct themselves like you so often on this board and wonder why I hold so much disdain for it.

I'm not very "well versed" on forums, and when I write, I write long posts. I don't have anything personal against you, but I don't like being attacked off of a video game frustration vent either. And I really can't see the problem with what I'm writing. I'm constantly praising this game, and I really do mean that sincerely. I just have a few issues, that's making it pretty hard to enjoy a game with so much potential. I don't have any real solutions, as I am no game developer, but I'm hoping the feedback is constructive for the devs, and gives them an idea of what I mean. If not, it's still a great game. And apparently that stance that's some big problem for you.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Great game, but I have frustrations

Honestly you dont even have to always try to block them

If you’re in body kick range you can throw a forward moving straight and intercept their kick. The guys that hide kicks behind their hands are tougher to deal with but that’s realistic

That's quite correct...but when you are moving out of the pocket. ..a naked body kick will hit guaranteed 7 times out of ten. If I hold block on a naked body I should be able to block it .

You won't always get the straight to connect bro ...

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[RetractedMonkey]

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"This game is too hard" is not constructive criticism. Some games are hard to learn (which UFC really isn't) and some are easy. Making a game easier almost always means dumbing it down. Take my DMC example from earlier. You can play on easy mode, but you sacrifice so many core gameplay elements that it isn't even the same game. Your combos are automatic and some enemy types don't even exist. That's what making a game "easier" entails for games that are inherently complex. Subtraction.

UFC games will always be inherently complex because MMA itself is complex. Therefore, making controls and gameplay mechanics easier means taking things away, not adding them. Asking the devs to make it easier at the cost of the game's vision/integrity and the experience of the players who are the hardcore fans of the series that take the time to actually learn the game is entitled. You can try to spin that back around on me, but it falls flat.

You also speak on the topic when you have next to no idea what you're talking about. You yourself claim that you aren't a great player. That means you don't understand many of the mechanics at play here. Obviously, you're going to ask for things that don't really make sense based on your lack of understanding. For example, your complaint that fights don't go without knockdowns (which isn't even related to difficulty, but whatever). You're not going to be able to change that. Its the human element at play, not the game itself. You aren't really in there fighting, so you put yourself in much riskier positions than a real fighter would. That's why these games will never look like the real deal. You don't understand that because you don't understand the game. Look up the Dunning-Krueger effect.

And I never said the game had no problems. That is you strawmanning me. Either intentionally or otherwise, because you can't seem to stay on track. Your posts bounce all around on different topics when all we were talking about is difficulty.

[FadeawayJay]

Re: Great game, but I have frustrations

Sorry for the rudeness, but you kind of pissed me off with that earlier comment. I went back to the first page, and noticed you actually started off with constructive feedback, so maybe you're not that big of a a**hole. My bad.

My first post was written with a little more thought. Second and third post was written while playing ranked and getting mauled, so I was a bit heated. Again, sorry if I overreacted as well.

Let me try and sit down, not just cripple ahead, and be completely clear with my whole issue, so it can't be misinterpreted.

I genuine think this a great game. The striking engine is really good, and the transitioning to grappling is both beautiful and realistic. The grappling mechanics are pretty boring and unrealistic, but that's not a dealbreaker for me. I hope they revamp it in future instalments, but they still do their job, and I'm more intrigued by striking anyways, so... Still a great game!

However, if you're not very skilled at this game, people can exploit your weakness (relative to the "good" players) like bad timing, tendency to freeze due to slight unfamiliarity with ducks/sways/leans and combo inputs, and use basically bull**** tactics against you. Fx. walking you down with lightning fast combos, spamming 1-2's to break your block and then continue to throw six piece combos. In essence, that just proves how great this game is, because it works like that in real life too. If I stood across Stipe Miocic he could just walk me down and use "bull****" tactics against me. However, it's still a videogame, and if there was any way to negate that possibility, without sacrificing the depth of the striking possibilities currently presented, that would be awesome. If not possible to do so, hey, it's still a great game.

It's very possible that every tactic has a counter to it, but as a casual gamer, I'm not investing the time to both get to know all these counters and memorise them in a way that they become instinct. That would be pretty time consuming. Another thing I actually feels is a real issue is, that if you throw 100-150 strikes per round, and granted, not heavy stamina taxing strikes, but mainly basic punches, how does you stamina not go all the way down? Have you ever hit a heavy bag? Put the adrenaline rush of being in a cage on top of that, and throwing that many strikes and not passing out should be near impossible. The stamina system is pretty good in general, I just can't explain how this specific tactic does not affect the same way. It's probably due to it being "basic" punches, but still. That's insane.

I would be all right with these flaws, if I could just be matched with opponents on my level. Every time in ranked, I start off good, I get my jab going, teep kicks and a solid counter every now and then. Maintain the distance. But then the good players just revert to these tactics, and it works for them. Again that proves the game is great. There is some flaws, that I described above (stamina mainly, I think...), but overall it proves that the wholes in my game can be exploited, as parts of my game are really polished, while other parts are really amateur. Floyd did that against Tenshin, marching forward and using "bull****" tactics to destroy an opponent who didn't belong in the ring with him. My issue is though, that I am not being matched with players my level. If I was, I could overcome the cheap tactics, and make it at least competitive. And going in to play now is not an option either, as I'm facing the opposite problem there. The guys are too Lew level, all though they use the same general tactics, they're very bad at it and have no defence. Usually I get 10 knockdowns in the fights I have in Play Now.

Hope this makes more sense, and hopefully I don't come off as whiny, as that is truly not my intent. I'm venting, yes, but I am not calling the game "playable" or any of the sorts. I'm stilling having fun, and when I occasionally meets a guy my level, or just someone who caters to my playstyle (even if they generally end up winning if it's ranked), I'm really loving it. Just hope that the devs can take these frustrations, make sense of them, and hopefully create an even better product in the next instalment, that makes it a bit easier to enjoy as a casual, while not sacrificing the great striking mechanics implemented in this one.

[FadeawayJay]

Re: Great game, but I have frustrations

"This game is too hard" is not constructive criticism. Some games are hard to learn (which UFC really isn't) and some are easy. Making a game easier almost always means dumbing it down. Take my DMC example from earlier. You can play on easy mode, but you sacrifice so many core gameplay elements that it isn't even the same game. Your combos are automatic and some enemy types don't even exist. That's what making a game "easier" entails for games that are inherently complex. Subtraction.

UFC games will always be inherently complex because MMA itself is complex. Therefore, making controls and gameplay mechanics easier means taking things away, not adding them. Asking the devs to make it easier at the cost of the game's vision/integrity and the experience of the players who are the hardcore fans of the series that take the time to actually learn the game is entitled. You can try to spin that back around on me, but it falls flat.

You also speak on the topic when you have next to no idea what you're talking about. You yourself claim that you aren't a great player. That means you don't understand many of the mechanics at play here. Obviously, you're going to ask for things that don't really make sense based on your lack of understanding. For example, your complaint that fights don't go without knockdowns (which isn't even related to difficulty, but whatever). You're not going to be able to change that. Its the human element at play, not the game itself. You aren't really in there fighting, so you put yourself in much riskier positions than a real fighter would. That's why these games will never look like the real deal. You don't understand that because you don't understand the game. Look up the Dunning-Krueger effect.

And I never said the game had no problems. That is you strawmanning me. Either intentionally or otherwise, because you can't seem to stay on track. Your posts bounce all around on different topics when all we were talking about is difficulty.

You're pretty much spot on here. I will argue UFC 3 is a pretty hard game to learn though, that is if you play online, and with the lacklustre offline options you're kind of forced to do so. Also, I don't think I ever pointed at this thread being only about difficulty (mainly, yes).

I get what you mean entirely. I don't a thing about game developing and I am not a elite player with a great understanding of the game. But I don't think I should be bashed for that either. I came in being well aware of that, which is why I constantly praised the game, so if granting my "wishes" would somehow ruin the mechanics already there (dumbing it down), I would accept that it is not a possibility because I actually like the game as currently constructed. Few issues, but overall I love it. The only thing I hate is facing unrealistic tactics. But again, and I said this myself, in a way they are realistic, as it would go in real life in a fight with huge skill differences. My thing was, that in this game, you're playing with UFC fighters, that know how to fight. But you're right, catering to that standpoint is dumbing down the game, and I actually don't want that either.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Great game, but I have frustrations

I never said you should be bashed for not understanding the game. You should only be bashed if you're suggesting specific changes while not understanding the game. Which you weren't doing and wasn't my issue with what you were saying. Saying a game is too hard, but also saying that you don't have/want to spend the time to learn it is no fault of the game. Not every game is meant for casual players. Even then, I do think this game has a great amount of content for the casual audience all the same. I've seen two of my friends who don't watch MMA go at it on this game just swinging on each other (after I taught them about stamina management) and have fun.

I think the problem comes with the in-betweeners. Like you said, quick play has a low player level and Div 5 and up in ranked have a much more skilled playerbase. What you need is a better divide between divisions to prevent you from meeting those upper-division players. However, the game has P2P connectivity and a relatively low player count compared to online games like CoD, so I'm not sure that the developers could do much about this problem.

[FadeawayJay]

Re: Great game, but I have frustrations

I never said you should be bashed for not understanding the game. You should only be bashed if you're suggesting specific changes while not understanding the game. Which you weren't doing and wasn't my issue with what you were saying. Saying a game is too hard, but also saying that you don't have/want to spend the time to learn it is no fault of the game. Not every game is meant for casual players. Even then, I do think this game has a great amount of content for the casual audience all the same. I've seen two of my friends who don't watch MMA go at it on this game just swinging on each other (after I taught them about stamina management) and have fun.

I think the problem comes with the in-betweeners. Like you said, quick play has a low player level and Div 5 and up in ranked have a much more skilled playerbase. What you need is a better divide between divisions to prevent you from meeting those upper-division players. However, the game has P2P connectivity and a relatively low player count compared to online games like CoD, so I'm not sure that the developers could do much about this problem.

I think we're broadly on the same page. Sorry for raging at that one comment, overreaction my part. You make valid points. There's probably not any way to cater to my frustrations, without sacrificing everything that makes this game great. Maybe the popularity of MMA, and the obviously great product EA has proven being able to produce when it come to MMA, will eventually make it so that I can match with players close or at my level. Otherwise I just have to get better.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Great game, but I have frustrations

That's quite correct...but when you are moving out of the pocket. ..a naked body kick will hit guaranteed 7 times out of ten. If I hold block on a naked body I should be able to block it .

You won't always get the straight to connect bro ...

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The straight will literally land every single time if you plant then throw a fwd moving straight against an opp throwing a fwd moving bodykick.

The game has weird range management so your fighter will literally accelerate into the strike

Go into practice mode and try it. Once you get the timing down it’s very consistent.