Why can people play like terminators

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

As it stands now, leg kicks are annoying when spammed, but they can be checked and injure the guy throwing them. Leg kicks are not implemented correctly IMO. Yes they can cause health events and are SUPPOSED to make it easier to take people down (I’ve yet to notice this), but they don’t slow down movement AT ALL unless it’s during a health event. What fighter do you know that can be dropped by a leg kick, get back up, and move just as quick? Leg kicks do NOTHING on the overall speed that the fighter moves when not in a health event. This is a huge issue. I have noticed that they damage forward moving guys’ legs more, but they don’t slow them down.

A bit of hyperbole here. Its not a huge issue, it works to an extent its just missing 1 key element, however its not a major loss as of now the check does enough damage to deter spam. I do agree though it would be nice to slow down movement, similar to having low stamina.

[UFCBlackbelt]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

As it stands now, leg kicks are annoying when spammed, but they can be checked and injure the guy throwing them. Leg kicks are not implemented correctly IMO. Yes they can cause health events and are SUPPOSED to make it easier to take people down (I’ve yet to notice this), but they don’t slow down movement AT ALL unless it’s during a health event. What fighter do you know that can be dropped by a leg kick, get back up, and move just as quick? Leg kicks do NOTHING on the overall speed that the fighter moves when not in a health event. This is a huge issue. I have noticed that they damage forward moving guys’ legs more, but they don’t slow them down.

I would like Leg kicks to have an overall stronger effect on speed

We can look at it as the following:

Head strikes: Highest damage rate + investing in frequent rocks quicker
Body: Stamina investment, lower damage rate
Legs: Speed and Grapple Advantage investment, lowest rate (cause you can switch stance)

LEg kicks already effect power if you stance switch, so I don't have much of an issue with that.,

[Reinfarcements]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

That encourages people to just camp behind block which isnt what people want.

I'm not so sure. I think there are enough block breaking tools to deal with this. You'd just have to be smarter about what you do once you do break block, since you wouldn't be able to do it over and over again without loosing stamina.

If it turns out I'm wrong on that end, I would absolutely be down for either even faster block breaks, or even more damage bleed-through block. After all blocking in MMA isn't all that safe.

[bogeyj]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

plant & rip against these guys

[RematchKing]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

plant & rip against these guys

That’s an easy way to get KO’d because most of these guys know that’s what you’re going to try to do and they’re ready to slip straight or duck uppercut you into oblivion. Trust me, if it was that easy to beat these annoying dudes, there wouldn't be a 13+ page long thread about it.

These guys aren’t stupid and they know that they’re spamming and they know the counters to it and actively avoid the counters and spam as much as they can. Yes, you can beat them, but if they know how to avoid the counters to their exploit, you’re essentially screwed. Even Martial has dealt with this. That dude is eons above my play level and he struggles with it.

I’ve faced Romero and that guy has kicked my *** every time I’ve fought him. So much so to the point that I quit out when I see him in quick match. Its not that I have anything against him as a player, but I just know I’m going to lose so I say screw it. Even Romero is annoyed by players like this and that man knows every counter in the book. I’ve seen him in fights like that and he gets pissed and rightfully so. I was watching it and getting just as pissed off as he was. Like I honestly feel distain for the actual players that do this and get great pleasure from punching them after the fight is over if I’m lucky enough to beat them. I wish I could hit them more times than the game allows but I’ll take it. If the guys that are at the top of the game are having these issues, maybe it isn’t the players that need to change and adapt.

Look as this! This is ridiculous! Skip to 9:04 if it doesn’t automatically start there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwQ2zr85Pqw

Look at the amount of shots this dude is launching. Yeah, Henry won but look at this crap!! I totally understand the frustration his his voice because I feel the same thing when people do this to me.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

If they are slip straighting you, that means they are not mindlessly walking you down. They are actively giving you chances to strike if they're taking the time to do that. And I haven't been duck uppercutted since the second patch.

Jabs ignoring slip frame advantage solved the vast majority of head movement issues. And you're mischaracterizing these guys like Martial having issue with pressure in the way you are. I would love you to show me a fight where MartialMind is lamenting being pressured and not being able to do anything about it. I watch him a lot. You're exaggerating or don't understand what you're seeing.

Romero and MartialMind are on this board. There is a reason you don't see them complaining in these topics.

[RematchKing]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

If they are slip straighting you, that means they are not mindlessly walking you down. They are actively giving you chances to strike if they're taking the time to do that. And I haven't been duck uppercutted since the second patch.

Jabs ignoring slip frame advantage solved the vast majority of head movement issues. And you're mischaracterizing these guys like Martial having issue with pressure in the way you are. I would love you to show me a fight where MartialMind is lamenting being pressured and not being able to do anything about it. I watch him a lot. You're exaggerating or don't understand what you're seeing.

Romero and MartialMind are on this board. There is a reason you don't see them complaining in these topics.

Bro, you’re acting like everything works how it should in this game. Not only does what you’re saying require super fast response, its not easy to predict this. These dudes are throwing strikes from bell to bell and in your face every second of the fight with you having no way to keep them away from you. Want to know why every suggestion on how to beat it will be almost always invalid as it stands now? Because the game is not consistent. What works sometimes doesn’t always work purely because of the lag, button response, wonky detection, etc.

In a perfect world, we could just counter them and be done with it. This game does not make that easy because of the way it works. How am I going to know when they will try to slip? What should I just throw if I magically guess when they’re going to do it? What if I miss? BOOM. I’m out, just like that.

Also, I just attached a video showing this and its from Martial. They don’t need to post on the forum for me to know they have an issue with it. These dudes probably have other things to do. Don’t believe me? Go to Martial’s channel right now and watch any of his latest videos. Listen to what he says. He runs into at least a few of these guys. That’s better than your forum post.

[Heartsoreswine1994]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

i dont think its to easy to pressure people anymore, like others have said you have alota tools to defend yourself now the many reasons people still feel overwhelmed are things like the stamina in this game, it recovers faaaar to fast and allows for an insane output of 100+ per round that if not somewhat matched by the opponent ends up becoming to much. with a couple broken striking mechanics like the knee elbow or death combo players can throw a three punch combo with no sense reset and then launch a knee before i can even jab the body and then recover with more stamina than me. maybe if there were longer reset times after long combos people would think abit more? there should never be a right way to play a game especially a fighting one but ufc 3 to me i felt has always suffered from there being a correct way to play which is why every fight and all the top players fight the dam same and is also why players like martial and others who like to fight different with every fighter will find it harder to be ranked in top 100. im obviously not a game developer and have zero idea about balancing games but ive played alot of fighting games and in my opinion the game for ranked is just far to unbalanced in many ways from stamina to combos being better than others, uppercuts nearly taking peoples head off when they go for a takedown or attack the body.i shouldnt have to jab uppercut the body because the the safest way to do so, people should stop taking the balancing of ranked so seriously and just have fun with it its not smash melee or street fighter it has many things wrong with it competitively. Quick play and offline is where this game shines has been my favorite sports game of ps4! i honestly hope ea drop this whole online meta focus for ufc 4 and just focused on making another fun fleshed mma experince

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Bro, you’re acting like everything works how it should in this game. Not only does what you’re saying require super fast response, its not easy to predict this. These dudes are throwing strikes from bell to bell and in your face every second of the fight with you having no way to keep them away from you. Want to know why every suggestion on how to beat it will be almost always invalid as it stands now? Because the game is not consistent. What works sometimes doesn’t always work purely because of the lag, button response, wonky detection, etc.

In a perfect world, we could just counter them and be done with it. This game does not make that easy because of the way it works. How am I going to know when they will try to slip? What should I just throw if I magically guess when they’re going to do it? What if I miss? BOOM. I’m out, just like that.

LMAO! Welcome to MMA, man. All those variables you just spouted? That's the name of the game. It isn't supposed to be easy. This is what I mean when I say you guys want to be spoonfed git gud juice without putting work in. Yes, it's difficult (particularly if your opponent is good), but all the tools are there. If you have the skill, your actions will be consistent and purposeful. But that doesn't mean you're going to win, dude. You can do everything right and still lose. That's just the way it is.

I literally listed all of the best ways to deal with pressure. They aren't invalid because you can't use them properly. You are bad. If you want to get better, you need to accept that and stop looking left and right for every excuse to confirm your bias that something is wrong with the game.

[RetractedMonkey]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

That’s an easy way to get KO’d because most of these guys know that’s what you’re going to try to do and they’re ready to slip straight or duck uppercut you into oblivion. Trust me, if it was that easy to beat these annoying dudes, there wouldn't be a 13+ page long thread about it.

These guys aren’t stupid and they know that they’re spamming and they know the counters to it and actively avoid the counters and spam as much as they can. Yes, you can beat them, but if they know how to avoid the counters to their exploit, you’re essentially screwed. Even Martial has dealt with this. That dude is eons above my play level and he struggles with it.

I’ve faced Romero and that guy has kicked my *** every time I’ve fought him. So much so to the point that I quit out when I see him in quick match. Its not that I have anything against him as a player, but I just know I’m going to lose so I say screw it. Even Romero is annoyed by players like this and that man knows every counter in the book. I’ve seen him in fights like that and he gets pissed and rightfully so. I was watching it and getting just as pissed off as he was. Like I honestly feel distain for the actual players that do this and get great pleasure from punching them after the fight is over if I’m lucky enough to beat them. I wish I could hit them more times than the game allows but I’ll take it. If the guys that are at the top of the game are having these issues, maybe it isn’t the players that need to change and adapt.

Look as this! This is ridiculous! Skip to 9:04 if it doesn’t automatically start there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwQ2zr85Pqw

Look at the amount of shots this dude is launching. Yeah, Henry won but look at this crap!! I totally understand the frustration his his voice because I feel the same thing when people do this to me.

Dude, you are hilarious. I can't tell if you're trolling at this point. Martial's video is literally called, "Using The WORST Fighters In EVERY Weightclass". Of course he's going to have trouble because he is using terrible fighters! The frustration in his voice isn't because pressure is so undeniable, it's because he didn't have high enough stats to counter the way he knows how. And guess what? He still won! With Pat ****ing Cummins! The guy he was fighting wasn't even particularly in his face either. He was backing up all the time after throwing a combo. You have no idea what you're even watching.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

I like the way this thread is going ...instead of all this banter I believe Romero is on PS4 and retracted is on Xbox why don't you guys throw an open challenge to have someone do the mindless Terminator pressure dance at you guys ...

Look if we want these guys to help us ..we have to put up videos on this thread were they critique and offer advice for specific situations . These guys are elite players they see things we can't before they even occur.

But it would help if we gave them videos and then have them tell us this is what you should do .



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[FadeawayJay]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

LMAO! Welcome to MMA, man. All those variables you just spouted? That's the name of the game. It isn't supposed to be easy. This is what I mean when I say you guys want to be spoonfed git gud juice without putting work in. Yes, it's difficult (particularly if your opponent is good), but all the tools are there. If you have the skill, your actions will be consistent and purposeful. But that doesn't mean you're going to win, dude. You can do everything right and still lose. That's just the way it is.

I literally listed all of the best ways to deal with pressure. They aren't invalid because you can't use them properly. You are bad. If you want to get better, you need to accept that and stop looking left and right for every excuse to confirm your bias that something is wrong with the game.

I don't think the guy is complaining that his opponents are "hard to detect", or complaining that these endless variables exist. That's just his explanation for why it's hard for him to actually counter these guys. I think it's more the shere fact that someone is able to walk forward constantly for a three round fight (it does wear you down in a five rounder) and throw 3-4 strike combos with very little breaks in between each. That should tax your stamina more than it currently does IMO. Immediately after each combo as well as long term. I get that if you make them miss, it will really tax, but yeah, we can't all be super heroes at this game, and if you've ever hit a heavy bag, punching away for 15 minutes, it's hard as ****! The game doesn't reeeeaaally reflect that.

You should still be able to pressure fight, and win doing so if you're simply more skilled. But striking at a clip equal to +100 strikes per round, with a majority of them being from heavy combos, you'd be gassed out pretty quick even at the lower weight classes I'm pretty sure.

[rabbitfistssaipailo]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Check out @ARomeroXVII’s Tweet: https://twitter.com/ARomeroXVII/stat...491192321?s=09

Hope this helps ...

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[Phillyboi207]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

Bro, you’re acting like everything works how it should in this game. Not only does what you’re saying require super fast response, its not easy to predict this. These dudes are throwing strikes from bell to bell and in your face every second of the fight with you having no way to keep them away from you. Want to know why every suggestion on how to beat it will be almost always invalid as it stands now? Because the game is not consistent. What works sometimes doesn’t always work purely because of the lag, button response, wonky detection, etc.

In a perfect world, we could just counter them and be done with it. This game does not make that easy because of the way it works. How am I going to know when they will try to slip? What should I just throw if I magically guess when they’re going to do it? What if I miss? BOOM. I’m out, just like that.

Also, I just attached a video showing this and its from Martial. They don’t need to post on the forum for me to know they have an issue with it. These dudes probably have other things to do. Don’t believe me? Go to Martial’s channel right now and watch any of his latest videos. Listen to what he says. He runs into at least a few of these guys. That’s better than your forum post.

There was nothing wrong in Martial’s video he took the wrong approach. He could’ve clinched that guy all day. He doesnt utilize the clinch much and it’s a great tool to beat pressure.

That guy was going crazy because he didnt respect Cumming’s hands. Even then Martial still Ko’d him on the feet through timing.

If Martial had a better striker he could’ve avoided/countered much easier.

[Phillyboi207]

Re: Why can people play like terminators

I don't think the guy is complaining that his opponents are "hard to detect", or complaining that these endless variables exist. That's just his explanation for why it's hard for him to actually counter these guys. I think it's more the shere fact that someone is able to walk forward constantly for a three round fight (it does wear you down in a five rounder) and throw 3-4 strike combos with very little breaks in between each. That should tax your stamina more than it currently does IMO. Immediately after each combo as well as long term. I get that if you make them miss, it will really tax, but yeah, we can't all be super heroes at this game, and if you've ever hit a heavy bag, punching away for 15 minutes, it's hard as ****! The game doesn't reeeeaaally reflect that.

You should still be able to pressure fight, and win doing so if you're simply more skilled. But striking at a clip equal to +100 strikes per round, with a majority of them being from heavy combos, you'd be gassed out pretty quick even at the lower weight classes I'm pretty sure.

It’s only possible for someone to do that if you’re just blocking and walking backwards.

Utilize lunges/headmovement and bodywork. You’ll see their stamina drain