Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

[Lauriedr1ver]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

The fact thay there has been 32 pages arguing against what would be a pretty basic mechanic, 100% grounded and rooted in realism and authenticity, is straight up stupifying and baffling to me. Just completely insane. Like really? It's just truly, and honestly sad to me that this is apparently the state of the game/community.


"Comp players dont like it" is the new "Jon Jones Pulsing Picograms"


This is apparently the stock arguement to shut down any and all ideas which could help pull the game away from the watered down arcade fighter it currently is.

Circling out?
-No, comp players don't like it.

Realistic Stamina?
-No, comp players don't like it.

Realistic damage/blocking that doesn't require memorization of "block breakers"?
No, comp players don't like it.

Stats based on authenticity and not arbitrary tiers?
No, comp players don't like it.

It's not a stock argument, we have shown multiple threads and platforms where this is the case, we can only say this as we dont actually agree with it. Until a comp player or a player who dislikes it comes on and tells you themselves, it's just how it is.

Me, Phillyboi, Romero and Aholbert have wanted improvements from day 1. The game is now at a point where people aren't engaging with the forum so discussions will be one sided as it will only be players with complaints and that still care about the game.

[Lauriedr1ver]

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Honestly please have a look at the older threads and you can understand where we are coming from, ive posted numnerous threads here.

[aholbert32]

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Has to be in a forum, in a YouTubed page his fans will agree with anything he say

Thats not true. 400 people disagreed with his balanced stats question. Again, I'm not even going to ask him to post his position. Just a question and a poll.

[aholbert32]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

The fact thay there has been 32 pages arguing against what would be a pretty basic mechanic, 100% grounded and rooted in realism and authenticity, is straight up stupifying and baffling to me. Just completely insane. Like really? It's just truly, and honestly sad to me that this is apparently the state of the game/community.


"Comp players dont like it" is the new "Jon Jones Pulsing Picograms"


This is apparently the stock arguement to shut down any and all ideas which could help pull the game away from the watered down arcade fighter it currently is.

Circling out?
-No, comp players don't like it.

Realistic Stamina?
-No, comp players don't like it.

Realistic damage/blocking that doesn't require memorization of "block breakers"?
No, comp players don't like it.

Stats based on authenticity and not arbitrary tiers?
No, comp players don't like it.

I find it interesting that people here think simply mentioning a counter argument is "shutting down ideas".

That just leads to my theory that after the EA Forums closing many people in this forum just want a circle jerk not an actual discussion.

"I think idea X should be added because its realistic"
"Idea X could be added by doing this and its a great idea"
"I love that idea too. The devs have to add it because its clear EVERYONE WANTS IT"
"Exactly its realistic and everyone wants it so they have no reason not to add it"

"Well....not everyone wants it. Look here...and here...and here...and here. Its a great idea but we have to consider that parts of the community may hate it"

"Stop shutting down out ideas! Its a great idea and everyone wants it"

A discussion isnt just people agreeing with you. Its isnt just focusing on your corner. Its considering other perspectives and presenting information that supports your argument.

As with anything, I'm just asking for support. If everyone loves an idea, it shouldnt be that hard to find multiple threads/posts etc that show that everyone loves it. Its that simple.

or.....you dont have to do this at all. You can continue to discuss this good idea and wonder why the devs never added it to UFC 3.

Whats funny is I'm pretty confident something like this will be added to UFC 4. It may not be exactly what all of you want but I think GPD recognized toward the end of development of UFC 3 that movement needed to be made more realistic and buffed some. If it was for the issues that forced him to step away from work for a few months, maybe we wouldve seen some more buffs to movement before they moved on to UFC 4.

[bmlimo]

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Thats not true. 400 people disagreed with his balanced stats question. Again, I'm not even going to ask him to post his position. Just a question and a poll.

Those 400 were casual viewers,

[Haz____]

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"Having a discussion" is exactly what you're not doing.

John had made like 10 posts full of great points and interesting mechanical ideas and implementations, and you ignored him, attacked him, belittled him, and just repeated ~"But the comp players don't like it".


WarMMA, also made an amazing post.
-- Ignored.

And this pattern repeats itself ad nauseam.

Having a discussion is precicely what is not happening here.

[bmlimo]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

I find it interesting that people here think simply mentioning a counter argument is "shutting down ideas".

That just leads to my theory that after the EA Forums closing many people in this forum just want a circle jerk not an actual discussion.

"I think idea X should be added because its realistic"
"Idea X could be added by doing this and its a great idea"
"I love that idea too. The devs have to add it because its clear EVERYONE WANTS IT"
"Exactly its realistic and everyone wants it so they have no reason not to add it"

"Well....not everyone wants it. Look here...and here...and here...and here. Its a great idea but we have to consider that parts of the community may hate it"

"Stop shutting down out ideas! Its a great idea and everyone wants it"

A discussion isnt just people agreeing with you. Its isnt just focusing on your corner. Its considering other perspectives and presenting information that supports your argument.

As with anything, I'm just asking for support. If everyone loves an idea, it shouldnt be that hard to find multiple threads/posts etc that show that everyone loves it. Its that simple.

or.....you dont have to do this at all. You can continue to discuss this good idea and wonder why the devs never added it to UFC 3.

Whats funny is I'm pretty confident something like this will be added to UFC 4. It may not be exactly what all of you want but I think GPD recognized toward the end of development of UFC 3 that movement needed to be made more realistic and buffed some. If it was for the issues that forced him to step away from work for a few months, maybe we wouldve seen some more buffs to movement before they moved on to UFC 4.

If they put more sliders offline they could put kamehameha that I wouldn’t care.
Speed slider, defense slider, stamina slider, damage slider, track slider... that would be amazing.
A sim mode for quick fight would be awesome too

[aholbert32]

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"Having a discussion" is exactly what you're not doing.

John had made like 10 posts full of great points and interesting mechanical ideas and implementations, and you ignored him, attacked him, belittled him, and just repeated ~"But the comp players don't like it".


WarMMA, also made an amazing post.
-- Ignored.

And this pattern repeats itself ad nauseam.

Having a discussion is precicely what is not happening here.

You are right.....if you ignore every other post I've made in this thread other than the ones with John and I've made a lot. Ive laid out personal examples. Quote multiple threads. Provided over 20 quotes....but sure I guess that adds up to me just repeating "comp players dont like it."

I actually agree and like War's post. The mechanics have never been part of the discussion. I think the mechanics could work. It still doesnt address my overall point though.

I mean I've directly addressed bmlimo, philly, kingslayer, tomi, 1212, laurie and now even you. So I'm down to have a discussion. Now are you capable of having one without it disintegrating into you getting frustrated and just demanding that you get what you want? I would love to see that. I would love to have that discussion.

[Haz____]

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. The mechanics have never been part of the discussion.

The mechanics should be the main focus of the discussion........

[aholbert32]

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If they put more sliders offline they could put kamehameha that I wouldn’t care.
Speed slider, defense slider, stamina slider, damage slider, track slider... that would be amazing.
A sim mode for quick fight would be awesome too

All those a great ideas that I've agreed with in the past but doesnt it address the issue.

Haz_ doesnt want a sim mode for quick fight. He wants the entire game to be sim. 1212 loves that he's ranked in the top 100. He would hate to be forced to play quick match to get sim gameplay and not be able to be ranked anymore.

That doesnt really resolve their issues.

[aholbert32]

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The mechanics should be the main focus of the discussion........

Not if there is a significant group of the community that doesnt want it in the game....

But hold on. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe thats what you want to do. Lets make it clear.

Is the point of this forum to come up with ideas and mechanics for things in the game that wont likely happen?

Like its guaranteed that it wont happen for 3. I hope it happens for 4 and I'm somewhat confident we will get something. But thats why I asked earlier if you guys dont want to know the counter arguments or what people say to prevent your idea from being implemented.

If not, say so. I have a ****load of gameplay ideas that wont likely happen because of comp players or casual players or the devs. I dont share them because they arent likely to happen for reasons I know.

[Haz____]

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Quick fight sim mode works for me 100%

I don't even play ranked. If they want to throw 3 fights worth of strikes every fight and just mash combos non stop then they can do whatever they want.

#JustBleed #StandandBang. #LetmeBangBro

I'm not a comp player. I have no horse in that race. Just give me sim mode on quick fight and I'm a happy camper.

[Haz____]

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Not if there is a significant group of the community that doesnt want it in the game....

But. WHY don't they want it.

A real actual reason beyond ~"Duhhh people will just run all fight and not mash buttons with me!"

That's where a discussion can happen. In the "whys".

You can't just say~"Well these few players wont like it, soooo too bad I guess"

[Phillyboi207]

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But. WHY don't they want it.

A real actual reason beyond ~"Duhhh people will just run all fight and not mash buttons with me!"

That's where a discussion can happen. In the "whys".

You can't just say~"Well these few players wont like it, soooo too bad I guess"

Because not everyone is interested in a realistic MMA game

They want the game to cater to their preferred fighting style.

We had this discussion plenty of times before the Devs added any footwork changes. The pressure crowd wants pressure to be the dominant style and are afraid of the meta shifting away from that because it’s “boring”

[1212headkick]

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But. WHY don't they want it.

A real actual reason beyond ~"Duhhh people will just run all fight and not mash buttons with me!"

That's where a discussion can happen. In the "whys".

You can't just say~"Well these few players wont like it, soooo too bad I guess"

How can someone say they support it but literally are playing pressure apologist and say theyre on our side is beyond me. Very clear where people standd and who matters. IMO you shouldn't be a gc and be allowed to represent ea(clearly the consumer doesnt matter) if you participate in outright bully tactics. He creates a ****ty vibe here. We present ideas rooted solely in reality and we here "BUT....BUT...****NNERRRRZZZZZ" theres gotta be someone whos not a deack and who loves the community who can do this job. Most people in top 100 exploit. Thats who he trusts for his arguments. Divide and conquer tactics clearly in play here