Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

[bmlimo]

Re: Circling Out --- Sprint Option For UFC 4

I don’t care who is supposed to do something I’m seeing the fight, and the one who was circling and defending is always losing, its not about the players, it’s about the game. *** who won, or who was supposed to be the agressor, we are seeing what is more effective, pressure or circle and play outside

[1212headkick]

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Smear 1212 campaign in full effect

[1212headkick]

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I don’t care who is supposed to do something I’m seeing the fight, and the one who was circling and defending is always losing, its not about the players, it’s about the game. *** who won, or who was supposed to be the agressor, we are seeing what is more effective, pressure or circle and play outside

He lost when he stopped pressuring

[bmlimo]

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He lost when he stopped pressuring

Because it’s not his style, should be a true pressure fighter against a true outside fighter...

[Phillyboi207]

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This post is why I initially wanted to stay focused on mechanics only. These videos ultimately become Rorschach tests. People see what they want.

1212 got beat up coming forward. Started backpedaling. Stayed near the cage to survive. Wouldn't come forward. If I don't go forward, there is no fight at all.

And notice in pretty much every fight he tries to grapple me, completely defeating the purpose of the experiment anyways.

Here’s the thing

If you kept distance and back peddled that would have proved your point x1000. An Ngannou vs Lewis remake would show us that pressure is too dangerous

I also dont understand how you can dismiss the Romero vs Advaita video when you fought way more aggressively against headkick.

Edit: just to make it clear I agree that he wasnt pressuring much. He gave you way too much respect throughout. But it was a pretty back and forth exchange and neither of y’all established a pressure vs backpedaling dynamic

[bmlimo]

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Thank you.

For at least the first two rounds I did in fact fight on the outside, use slips, use multiple teeps to keep him away, gassed him out.

At some point when he started getting beat up, he began back pedaling. This actually saved his *** in the GSP fight. If he had come forward, he would have been DEAD. But he stayed back, survived numerous onslaughts, caught me with a spinning body kick as I came forward (that shifted the momentum of the fight) and then grappled me to get a knee TKO.

So much for pressure? Womp womp.

If the guy starts to LOSE and then shifts to "Oh ****, I'm gonna run away now to live" and then I come forward... I'm a pressure spammer? Ok.

Here is the second part of the vid again since it got buried at the bottom of the last page:

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This part was already personal between both of you, when a guy who was supposed to pressure use rockhold there’s something wrong

[1212headkick]

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Here’s the thing

If you kept distance and back peddled that would have proved your point x1000. An Ngannou vs Lewis remake would show up that pressure is too dangerous

I also dont understand how you can dismiss the Romero vs Advaita video when you fought way more aggressively against headkick.

My man. I did it for you guys. I love this game and people limo you laurie haz and all the other guys dreaming of the perfect mma game

[bmlimo]

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Here’s the thing

If you kept distance and back peddled that would have proved your point x1000. An Ngannou vs Lewis remake would show us that pressure is too dangerous

I also dont understand how you can dismiss the Romero vs Advaita video when you fought way more aggressively against headkick.

Edit: just to make it clear I agree that he wasnt pressuring much. He gave you way too much respect throughout. But it was a pretty back and forth exchange and neither of y’all established a pressure vs backpedaling dynamic

Again the one who was coming forward was always in advantage, at least in my view

[Phillyboi207]

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My man. I did it for you guys. I love this game and people limo you laurie haz and all the other guys dreaming of the perfect mma game

Are you serious right now lol

I dont care who won. You were supposed to do him like Gaethje does everyone

If you lost a close war but kept the fight in the pocket you would’ve proved your point.

You started the first fight with pressure but abandoned after the first minute because he was lighting your body up.

Edit: You should have went out on your shield bro

[aholbert32]

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🤦🏽*♂️🤦🏽*♂️🤦🏽*♂️

Are you serious right now lol

I dont care who won. You were supposed to do him like Gaethje does everyone

If you lost a close war but kept the fight in the pocket you would’ve proved your point.

You started the first fight with pressure but abandoned after the first minute because he was lighting your body up.

HE DID IT FOR YOU!!!

Start appreciating what he did!

[1212headkick]

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Are you serious right now lol

I dont care who won. You were supposed to do him like Gaethje does everyone

If you lost a close war but kept the fight in the pocket you would’ve proved your point.

You started the first fight with pressure but abandoned after the first minute because he was lighting your body up.

Edit: You should have went out on your shield bro

Hard when knee spammed

[ZombieRommel]

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Here’s the thing

If you kept distance and back peddled that would have proved your point x1000. An Ngannou vs Lewis remake would show us that pressure is too dangerous

I also dont understand how you can dismiss the Romero vs Advaita video when you fought way more aggressively against headkick.

Edit: just to make it clear I agree that he wasnt pressuring much. He gave you way too much respect throughout. But it was a pretty back and forth exchange and neither of y’all established a pressure vs backpedaling dynamic

I can actually agree with this. A sane critique. I could have done a better job staying as far away as possible and the bloodlust to actually get rid of 1212 did overcome me at some points, especially when I had a big stamina lead and had been beating him up. I didn't want the matches to drag on, and I also wanted to deny him the opportunity to get me into a cage plum and get easy rocks.

A few takeaways after watching all the fights back (mechanically):

In terms of pressuring, I do think the side body kicks are still probably too good. Same for spinning body kicks. I know Martial won't like to hear that, but it is what it is. Lateral tracking is good, and in a high/low blocking meta, spinning head/body kick mixups are very easy.

The 6-12 into spinning elbow combo is WAY too fast. 1212 does it to me a few times in the Jones fight and you can see Jones ramp up to superhuman speed and it just looks totally unrealistic and wrong. Not really a comment on offense vs defense, but I think this combo needs slowing down.

I think spinning body kicks generally are TOO GOOD as a defense tool (hear me out) because you MUST go forward to engage if the other guy wont. Walking diagonally forward and to the side doesn't avoid these kicks well. And if you block it you just get blown backward again. Can't catch it. So I think at least one of these elements need to change. I would vote to allow forward-side walking to make it miss better. Backward-side walking already makes it miss decently.

The clinch is really really stupid and broken in this game... but, the devs know.

So all in all, I would say these fights gave me at least a little bit more insight into the pressure vs defense picture. I think the PUSHING strikes are OP for pressure. Not the basic teep strikes, because these are pretty balanced in terms of risk/reward and power. They can be caught for a strike, TD, or trip if blocked in time. They don't do a lot of damage. BUT they push.

The spinning body kicks: 1) Cannot be caught 2) Push back on hit and on block 3) Do immense damage to someone walking forward and especially striking while walking forward 4) Track opponents who are moving diagonal-forwards well 5) Can be done from close range (the jumping one anyway).

In my opinion the jumping spin kick needs SOME kind of nerf. I think a decent fix would be to KEEP the blowback effect on the normal teeps (since they can be caught and punished) but REDUCE the blowback on the BLOCKED jumping spin body kick so that the aggressor can get in range to punish better during the recovery of the spin. And also reduce lateral tracking. If those two things are done, I'm pretty much fine keeping its damage.

That's all I have for now.

[Phillyboi207]

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Hard when knee spammed

Come on man

You’re a top 100 player. He was throwing well timed knees/body shots after exchanges and that rattled you.

We didnt need you to win, we needed you to prove that you could stay in his face and remain competitive.

If you feel like that’s impossible(knees or not) then you’re conceding Zombie’s point

[1212headkick]

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Come on man

You’re a top 100 player. He was throwing well timed knees/body shots after exchanges and that rattled you.

We didnt need you to win, we needed you to prove that you could stay in his face and remain competitive.

If you feel like that’s impossible(knees or not) then you’re conceding Zombie’s point

I pressured him with gsp and jones.

[Lauriedr1ver]

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Would fighting me be benifical, I am wank, I don't play the game but i can sure try and stick to a gameplan. Also its Finlay btw, just call me Finlay.