Poll: Blocking While Using Head Movement

[Boiler569]

The topic of Head Movement came up in another thread recently. Specifically, the fact that just about everyone agrees Fight Night had much more responsive and overall better head movement than UFC 3.

https://forums.operationsports.com/f...-strikers.html

I wanted to focus on one aspect of head movement in Fight Night vs. UFC ---- in FN you could use your block while moving your head; while in UFC you cannot. This is another reason (although not the primary reason) head movement was more effective in FN, at least in my book.

Simply put --- would you like to be able to use block while moving your head? Of course, it goes deeper than that haha but let's leave it there for the poll.

Personally, I would love to use block while moving my head, as I did in Fight Night w/ good ole Joe Frazier.

That said, MMA gloves are MUCH smaller than Boxing gloves, so you will still be going to the hospital (or cemetary lol) leaning into a perfectly timed head kick from Cro Cop !....

...but on the margin, I think the combination of blocking and head movement could make things much more interesting from a defensive standpoint.

Definitely look forward to this thread!

[johnmangala]

Re: Poll: Blocking While Using Head Movement

Yes. Input is available contrary to what the devs and GCs tell us.

[SUGATA]

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I am AGAINST the Blocking during Sways (and may be the only one, it is OK for me =), b/c:

1) Sway and Blocking are 2 different defensive mechanics with its own + and -. So, choosing wisely which one to use just now is a question to skill, strategy and yomi = gameplay diversity.

Otherwise, 2in1 = no diversity, less gameplay depth = less skill, strategy and yomi. 2in1 combi def tools is always worse, harder to balance an tune, and harder to implement right into gameplay.

2) IRL it is not possible to block fully and effectively during full Sways, possible only partially with less effectiveness.

Otherwise, implementing partial "Weak" Block during Sway - will be difficult and bring more random unpredictable results for BOTH players = less skill reliable game, less predictable gameplay.

3) As said above, UFC UD does not have Blocking Sways - it was a smart decision. Many players counting UFC UD as one of the best UFC sim games.

Why also good game FNC has it and is still fine? b/c this is a BOXING game not UFC - i.e. b/c in UFC besides Blocking and Sways you also have many other defensive tools (which are not available in Boxing), which ALSO has its own pros/cons:
- Parry into Clinch (i hope to see in UFC 4)

- Sway into TD

- Kicks has large Stopping power and range.

IF we will have 2in1 Blocking Sway it WILL NEGLECT other UFC def tools and will be a Blocking Sway festival.

[FlaccoNumba5]

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I am AGAINST the Blocking during Sways (and may be the only one, it is OK for me =), b/c:

1) Sway and Blocking are 2 different defensive mechanics with its own + and -. So, choosing wisely which one to use just now is a qiestion to skill, strategy and yomi = gameplay diversity.

Otherwise, 2in1 = no diversity = less skill, strategy and yomi. 2in1 comi def tools is always worse, harder to balance an tune, and harder to implement right into gameplay.

2) IRL it is not possible to block fully and effectively during full Sways, possible only partially with less effectiveness.

Otherwise, implementing partial "Weak" Block during Sway - will be difficult and bring more random unpredictable results for BOTH players = less skill reliable game.

3) As said above, UFC UD does not have Blocking Sways - it was smart decision. Many players counting UFC UD as one of the best UFC sim games.

Why also good game FNC has it and is still fine? b/c this is a BOXING game not UFC - i.e. b/c in UFC besides Blocking and Sways you also have many other defensive tools:
- Parry into Clinch (i hope to see in UFC 4)

- Sway into TD

- Kicks has large Stopping power and range.

I stand with sugata.

[CamelN36]

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Yes, as a fan of a more sim-style game I think being able to put your hands up as you move your head seems necessary.

[Lauriedr1ver]

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I am AGAINST the Blocking during Sways (and may be the only one, it is OK for me =), b/c:

1) Sway and Blocking are 2 different defensive mechanics with its own + and -. So, choosing wisely which one to use just now is a question to skill, strategy and yomi = gameplay diversity.

Otherwise, 2in1 = no diversity, less gameplay depth = less skill, strategy and yomi. 2in1 combi def tools is always worse, harder to balance an tune, and harder to implement right into gameplay.

2) IRL it is not possible to block fully and effectively during full Sways, possible only partially with less effectiveness.

Otherwise, implementing partial "Weak" Block during Sway - will be difficult and bring more random unpredictable results for BOTH players = less skill reliable game, less predictable gameplay.

3) As said above, UFC UD does not have Blocking Sways - it was a smart decision. Many players counting UFC UD as one of the best UFC sim games.

Why also good game FNC has it and is still fine? b/c this is a BOXING game not UFC - i.e. b/c in UFC besides Blocking and Sways you also have many other defensive tools (which are not available in Boxing), which ALSO has its own pros/cons:
- Parry into Clinch (i hope to see in UFC 4)

- Sway into TD

- Kicks has large Stopping power and range.

IF we will have 2in1 Blocking Sway it WILL NEGLECT other UFC def tools and will be a Blocking Sway festival.

1) Being different doesnt mean they can't be used simultaneously, rolling with shots is blocking while swaying. Plenty of boxers slip shots with there guard up, having you hands low only allows you to have better upper body control.

Also more tools = more diversity not less.

2) No. Bringing more in depth defence brings more skill to the game in both attack and defense. It won't bring any randomness in as it will be built like the rest of the game. If used correctly it makes the block stronger.

3) No. It will make the game more realsitic and if that's the chosen method of defense, most common in real life, is that a bad thing? Other defensive tools should be added in addition to even it out.

[micmuted]

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yea please i’m sick of head movement being useless

[Kingslayer04]

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I think making changes to the head movement mechanic so that you can reactively avoid strikes may be even more important. Right now you can only predict and sway. Twirling the right stick is the only way you can reactively avoid strikes, but then your fighter becomes a version of Anderson Silva. So yeah, reactive head movement should be looked into imo.

[1212headkick]

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We just need reactive head movement like ufc 2

[Reinfarcements]

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I've been playing a lot of Fight Night Champion lately. Its weird to play FNC after playing EA UFC 3 because in UFC 3 it feels like as the outside or defensive fighter I have to prepare myself for the long and unforgiving task to slow the fight DOWN. In FNC, it almost seems like the aggressive fighter needs to be the one to find a way to get in and turn the fight UP.

It almost feels like opposites when it comes to which fighter should be the one having to do the most "work" for lack of better terms.

I'm not saying players who prefer defensive or outside fighting should have to try less, I'm saying it makes sense and feels more natural that the player who wants the whole fight to be this hectic phone-booth battle should be the one having to non-stop work. I kid you not I feel WAAAAY more relaxed exchanging in normal phone-booth brawls than trying to play defensive or from the outside.

Edit: So my point is I think the reactive head-movement and blocking with said movement would be a good step to make defense feel better. I don't want that block in particular to be nearly as effective as it is in FNC though. Shots should get through much easier.

[Pappy Knuckles]

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It's hard for me to understand why anyone wouldn't want this. Obviously, it would have to be implemented well, but I think that having more defensive options, and being able to provide different looks in the cage could only be a good thing.




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[SUGATA]

Re: Poll: Blocking While Using Head Movement

It's hard for me to understand why anyone wouldn't want this. Obviously, it would have to be implemented well, but I think that having more defensive options, and being able to provide different looks in the cage could only be a good thing.




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I will try to give the most short answer.

In real life:

Fully effective Block is possible only when it is alone.

Fully effective Sway is possible only when it is alone.

Block + Sway = BOTH becomes LESS effective.

In the game:

Block + Sway = Weak Total Block (R2) from EA UFC 1.

I dont remember those who liked this one, and the most were glad when it was gone.

[Pappy Knuckles]

Re: Poll: Blocking While Using Head Movement

I will try to give the most short answer:

Fully effective Block is possible only when it is alone.

Fully effective sway is possible only when it is alone.

Block + Sway = BOTH becomes LESS effective.

Block + Sway = Weak Total Block (R2) from EA UFC 1.

I dont remember those who liked this one, and the most were glad when it was gone.

I understand that there are limitations and levels of effectiveness to blocking depending on what I'm doing. However, I don't feel that I should be restricted from movement when blocking altogether just because it might not be the ideal form of defense. That should be left up to me.






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[johnmangala]

Re: Poll: Blocking While Using Head Movement

I will try to give the most short answer.

In real life:

Fully effective Block is possible only when it is alone.

Fully effective Sway is possible only when it is alone.

Block + Sway = BOTH becomes LESS effective.

In the game:

Block + Sway = Weak Total Block (R2) from EA UFC 1.

I dont remember those who liked this one, and the most were glad when it was gone.

Except it's not.

Block + Sway is more like FNC... Which everyone loves.

[Boiler569]

Re: Poll: Blocking While Using Head Movement

1) Being different doesnt mean they can't be used simultaneously, rolling with shots is blocking while swaying. Plenty of boxers slip shots with there guard up, having you hands low only allows you to have better upper body control.

Also more tools = more diversity not less.

2) No. Bringing more in depth defence brings more skill to the game in both attack and defense. It won't bring any randomness in as it will be built like the rest of the game. If used correctly it makes the block stronger.

3) No. It will make the game more realsitic and if that's the chosen method of defense, most common in real life, is that a bad thing? Other defensive tools should be added in addition to even it out.

I like this response a lot.

If one were to block head while swaying, I would like to see a lot of extra vulnerability to leg kicks or body strikes. Someone keeps Planting their feet and swaying/blocking high ---- CHOP CHOP at the Liver or Calf! Takedown / Clinch defense too, if your hands are up and you're moving your head, you'd be more vulnerabie for sure.

Swaying into a strike with your hands up would still lead to some decent bleed-thru (maybe a LOT depending on timing/strike/location). Perhaps you take an accuracy / strike speed penalty for your counter strike, as well.

i.e. if you keep your hands down and move your head, you can SNAP back at your opponent (Roy Jones / Anderson Silva style) --- if you have your hands up, a bit harder to get that slick counter off.

20 "Yes" to 4 "No" so far, but I want to keep hearing some more discussion! Looks like we can all at least agree that reactive head movement needs to be improved big time.


P.S. I hated UFC 1s Weak Block SO MUCH so I don't want anything like that lmao that mechanic itself pretty much made me quit the game 2 months after launch.