Appeal to developers

[Gion]

Re: Appeal to developers

I think nostalgia plays a factor but at the same time there are a few features missing that were in UD3:
- Ground TKOs
- butterfly guard, cage seated
- ground movement
- fighter uniqueness

- strikes and inputs felt far more snappy and responsive
- The GnP felt powerful and ground rock states satisfying
- soft/hard strikes allowed more rhythm manipulation
I think the biggest aspect about the game that makes it the holy grail that people worship is that it found a way to be both FUN, and held serious care towards the hardcore MMA fan. MMA is a complex sport and UD3 has its flaws, but if you wanted a game that made you felt as if you were in MMA, and a game that gave you a ******* blast while doing so, this was it. Fighter uniqueness was incredible. GSP stood, blocked, shot doubles, jabbed, and felt like GSP.
Fighting gameplans and smart tactical approaches were always rewarded. Cockiness was also punished, lord knows how many subs I've been hit with because I emptied my gas take on a damaged opponent. All of it was fun and easy to grasp yet deep enough to hit some learning curves.
The entire game felt like it was made for the hardcore fan and the casuals second. Because of this it was given universal praise. There definitely is some nostalgia affecting our vision but many of us also keep crawling back to UD3 again and again. It just feels like a complete game that had our interests in the forefront

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[smokeface]

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- strikes and inputs felt far more snappy and responsive
- The GnP felt powerful and ground rock states satisfying
- soft/hard strikes allowed more rhythm manipulation
I think the biggest aspect about the game that makes it the holy grail that people worship is that it found a way to be both FUN, and held serious care towards the hardcore MMA fan. MMA is a complex sport and UD3 has its flaws, but if you wanted a game that made you felt as if you were in MMA, and a game that gave you a ******* blast while doing so, this was it. Fighter uniqueness was incredible. GSP stood, blocked, shot doubles, jabbed, and felt like GSP.
Fighting gameplans and smart tactical approaches were always rewarded. Cockiness was also punished, lord knows how many subs I've been hit with because I emptied my gas take on a damaged opponent. All of it was fun and easy to grasp yet deep enough to hit some learning curves.
The entire game felt like it was made for the hardcore fan and the casuals second. Because of this it was given universal praise. There definitely is some nostalgia affecting our vision but many of us also keep crawling back to UD3 again and again. It just feels like a complete game that had our interests in the forefront

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It also sold better than any of the EA games from data I could find. This was at a time when MMA wasn't nearly as popular too. That should tell EA they are doing something wrong.

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[GameplayDevUFC]

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It also sold better than any of the EA games from data I could find. This was at a time when MMA wasn't nearly as popular too.

How sure are you of that? Is it possible your data is wrong?

[aholbert32]

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It also sold better than any of the EA games from data I could find. This was at a time when MMA wasn't nearly as popular too. That should tell EA they are doing something wrong.

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MMA was VERY popular during that time. They werent doing Conor numbers but between Brock and GSP and Chuck...the PPV sales were very good.

You (and I) have no idea what UFC 2 or 3 numbers are because EA doesnt release digital sales numbers and there is no entity that tracks those.

[GameplayDevUFC]

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MMA was VERY popular during that time. They werent doing Conor numbers but between Brock and GSP and Chuck...the PPV sales were very good.

You (and I) have no idea what UFC 2 or 3 numbers are because EA doesnt release digital sales numbers and there is no entity that tracks those.

That probably doesn't matter though right? No one buys digital games these days.

[smokeface]

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How sure are you of that? Is it possible your data is wrong?

I'm only using the data available. If you want to give me other data then that's great. I can only use what's out there can't I?

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[RetractedMonkey]

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I'm only using the data available. If you want to give me other data then that's great. I can only use what's out there can't I?

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No, you can actually not talk at all like you have any authority about it in general because you have incomplete data and you KNOW you have incomplete data. You’re literally forming an opinion about something but know less than half what you’re talking about.

“These numbers have been released and they are bigger than the numbers that haven’t been released at all. I guess that means the first thing is bigger!” #fiveheadlogic

Hmmm, that’s like seeing a gameplay trailer of a game and automatically using that to justify an opinion about the game as a whole when you’ve seen nothing else. But “you’re just going off what you’re given”. I wonder where I’ve seen this mentality before...


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[GameplayDevUFC]

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No, you can actually not talk at all like you have any authority about it in general because you have incomplete data and you KNOW you have incomplete data. You’re literally forming an opinion about something but know less than half what you’re talking about.

“These numbers have been released and they are bigger than the numbers that haven’t been released at all. I guess that means the first thing is bigger!” #fiveheadlogic

Hmmm, that’s like seeing a gameplay trailer of a game and automatically using that to justify an opinion about the game as a whole when you’ve seen nothing else. But “you’re just going off what you’re given”. I wonder where I’ve seen this mentality before...


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I've always liked you.

[smokeface]

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No, you can actually not talk at all like you have any authority about it in general because you have incomplete data and you KNOW you have incomplete data. You’re literally forming an opinion about something but know less than half what you’re talking about.

“These numbers have been released and they are bigger than the numbers that haven’t been released at all. I guess that means the first thing is bigger!” #fiveheadlogic

Hmmm, that’s like seeing a gameplay trailer of a game and automatically using that to justify an opinion about the game as a whole when you’ve seen nothing else. But “you’re just going off what you’re given”. I wonder where I’ve seen this mentality before...


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Well there's no way for anyone to know one way or another then is there? Since I was able to find some data, I used it. So from what I've found, it LOOKS like UD3 did better.

Let's hit it from another angle. The highest metacritic rating any EA UFC game got was a 79. User score 5.3. 240 ratings.

UD3 metacritic 86. User rating 7.4. 101 ratings.

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[VitoBurrito]

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Kids like stupid games so this should be right up their alley, the great value brand of the gaming industry should do well

[Counter Punch]

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Well there's no way for anyone to know one way or another then is there? Since I was able to find some data, I used it. So from what I've found, it LOOKS like UD3 did better.

Let's hit it from another angle. The highest metacritic rating any EA UFC game got was a 79. User score 5.3. 240 ratings.

UD3 metacritic 86. User rating 7.4. 101 ratings.

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https://youtu.be/oKTyyDw-6pQ

If we got a game that looked or played like UD3 (even on sim mode), I would be pretty disappointed. I get the nostalgia factor, but to say UD3 can even compare to UFC3 + 4 in terms of realism or quality is bananas! UD3 was straight up janky!

[Shak 2 Times]

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I don't know about everyone else who talks about UD3 here, but with me, I always go back to it. I've consistently played it for 12 years.

12 years? Do you mean the Undisputed series as a whole? Or MMA games generally, and that you keep going back to Undisputed 3?

[smokeface]

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12 years? Do you mean the Undisputed series as a whole? Or MMA games generally, and that you keep going back to Undisputed 3?

That's my bad, I meant 8 years. I guess I was thinking about it coming out in 2012 and put 12 years.

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[smokeface]

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https://youtu.be/oKTyyDw-6pQ
If we got a game that looked or played like UD3 (even on sim mode), I would be pretty disappointed. I get the nostalgia factor, but to say UD3 can even compare to UFC3 + 4 in terms of realism or quality is bananas! UD3 was straight up janky!

I really hate how people keep calling it nostalgia as if those of us wanting a game more like UD3 haven't played it for years and we are only remembering it better than it was. I still play it to this day so it's not nostalgia. Go look at reddit, tons of people still calling it the goat. The number 2 post on there right now is about UD3. I'm not the only one.

The reason I like that game more is the grappling and modes. Sure it's not as pretty as EAs games. But EAs games arent that pretty graphically either. The fighters bodies in EAs games are awful. They all look like they were modeled after Dominick Reyes with those long torsos. At least UD3 made everyone look unique and like they should with the tech they had. The animation are really nice in EAs, especially for striking. Even though the animations we have are nice, we still don't have enough unique animations per fighter which we had in UD3. Animations are also better now in clinch, but we still need a lot more in the clinch for me to feel it's better than UD3. The ground grappling in EAs games is God awful. All the pausing and limited positions. I really hate it. Then there's the controls, what a convoluted mess.

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[1212headkick]

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When we said we wanted better ground and pound we ment not just on the ground but on the cage in cags seated. I personally get pissed when I knock a guy down near a cage and see them sitting there and I cant continue to keep them in that position. It makes no sense not to be in the game. It's a position in almost every fight. The cage seated is the missing peice to link grappling and striking. Also we need to be able to choose to transition to double unders or over unders. We got a reworked clinch but we got much less freedom on what we want to do inside the clinch.