The Fall of EA Sports

**Clinch Control** · 08-18-2020, 12:43 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Originally posted by aholbert32

Damn yall make this **** so difficult. Like I'm with yall. I am not a fan of the direction of the game at all. I honestly havent played this game much at all in the 3 weeks I've owned it.

But you cant argue numbers. People here swore down UFC 3 was a sales failure and it wasnt. UFC 4 isnt a sales failure either. I'm telling you....EA is happy as hell with the sales of this game.

I know people here want the game to be a failure because that means either EA will move in a realistic direction or some other publisher (like 2k or Yukes) will jump in.

THAT ISNT HAPPENING.

Madden 20 has a user critic score of 1.5....do you honestly think EA gives a ****? The game is selling and thats all any corporation cares about. Period.

I'm glad you are with us on this. And I agree we have lost this one. But, respectfully, do you really think this game will continue selling well with user reviews of 0 - talking about a game breaking purple screen of death that doesnt allow them to play online? This review was given days ago by the way.

**aholbert32** · 08-18-2020, 12:54 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Originally posted by Clinch Control

I'm glad you are with us on this. And I agree we have lost this one. But, respectfully, do you really think this game will continue selling well with user reviews of 0 - talking about a game breaking purple screen of death that doesnt allow them to play online? This review was given days ago by the way.

Yes....it will continue to sell. I dont know **** about the "purple screen of death" but it will likely get patched.

Here is what you guys are missing:

The difference is that EA is marketing the hell out of UFC4 and they didnt do that with UFC 3. They arent marketing this game to people like me and you. They are marketing it to people who dont know what the **** OS or Metacritic are.

Take Friday. They had a hour special on ESPN with the HW champion of the world, an Oscar nominee, a Grammy nominee and 3 well known wrestlers. Now a person watching that isnt going to run to OS or Metacritic to see what people think. They will order the game just from what they see.

EA has a whole bunch of non-MMA guys streaming this game on Twitch and Youtube for the past few weeks.

OSers live in this bubble where they think people make decisions about buying the game for the same reasons they do. They think that average people are going to sites and reading impressions threads to decide to buy games. When most people who go online see a review from an IGN and see a 9/10 and say "it must be good".

Anyway, yall keep thinking this **** isnt going to sell. I hate it but the game isnt for us. I've accepted it and moved on. Y'all should to.

**TheShizNo1** · 08-18-2020, 12:56 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Looking at the Madden section I come across two users that I've never seen in the MMA or EA UFC section discussing EA Access and how they tried UFC 4 on it. Both went as far to say after trying it out they're going to buy it. Take that FWIW.

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**ab541** · 08-18-2020, 12:56 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Originally posted by GameplayDevUFC

It's funny that you've convinced yourself the game will flop while it pulls in better reviews and more sales than previous iterations of the franchise and EA's stock is up 50% since the new year.

Sorry to break it to you, but you're not getting a new publisher.

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METACRITIC EA UFC 3 (PS4)

METASCORE 56 Critic Reviews - 75 Score
User Score 236 User Ratings - 3.9 Score

METACRITIC EA UFC 4 (PS4)

METASCORE 25 Critic Reviews - 79 Score
User Score 50 User Ratings - 4.1 Score

THQ UFC Undisputed 3 (PS3)

METASCORE 30 Critic Reviews - 86 Score
User Score 101 User Ratings - 7.4 Score

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Point is that firstly i don’t think EA UFC 4 has been out long enough to accurately compare the reviews between it and its predecessor EA UFC 3, when you look at the pool of critics/users that have actually left feedback. However, If we are going to compare just the scores, its marginally better than EA UFC 4 at best, but still absolutely terrible when you compare it to the Undisputed 3 user score.

I cant speak on sales so i will take your word for it but i urge anyone DO NOT buy this game if you are all serious about another develope picking it up or if you are hoping EA executives finally take their heads out of their a****. Like aholbert32 said even if you pick it up when its on sale its still money going into EA's pocket, so skip it. All those users leaving bad reviews does not matter to EA now because they have secured that sale, so don’t fall into the same trap.

Hopefully EA just go back to making a new Fight Night game because im over being optmistic about them taking this EA UFC title in the direction that i want to see. We are never getting real physics driven ragdoll back, we are never getting proper FTF mechanics , we are never getting a simulation mode or realistic stamina drain. For crying out loud they removed elbows from the ground and pound arsenal. If that does not tell you enough about how indecisive EA have been with this title then i dont know what will.

Its a shame but we cannot do anything more with this series now in terms of our leverage.

AB541

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**Haz____** · 08-18-2020, 01:01 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Originally posted by aholbert32

Yes....it will continue to sell. I dont know **** about the "purple screen of death" but it will likely get patched.

Here is what you guys are missing:

The difference is that EA is marketing the hell out of UFC4 and they didnt do that with UFC 3. They arent marketing this game to people like me and you. They are marketing it to people who dont know what the **** OS or Metacritic are.

Take Friday. They had a hour special on ESPN with the HW champion of the world, an Oscar nominee, a Grammy nominee and 3 well known wrestlers. Now a person watching that isnt going to run to OS or Metacritic to see what people think. They will order the game just from what they see.

EA has a whole bunch of non-MMA guys streaming this game on Twitch and Youtube for the past few weeks.

OSers live in this bubble where they think people make decisions about buying the game for the same reasons they do. They think that average people are going to sites and reading impressions threads to decide to buy games. When most people who go online see a review from an IGN and see a 9/10 and say "it must be good".

Anyway, yall keep thinking this **** isnt going to sell. I hate it but the game isnt for us. I've accepted it and moved on. Y'all should to.

It's just extremely bizarre to me that you're going to make a game about a subject, but then market it solely to people who arent interested in the subject...

But that's EA for ya

**GameplayDevUFC** · 08-18-2020, 01:02 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Originally posted by Haz____

No disrespect but UFC 4 has user rating of 4 on metacritic...

And "The Last of Us 2" sas a user meta critic score of 5 and it's one of the top selling games of all time.

User ratings tell you how much free time the people you've pissed off with the game have to invest in trying to game the rating system. Nothing else.

I can guarantee you no one at EA or in the UFC is making any decisions based on metacritic user ratings.

**Haz____** · 08-18-2020, 01:04 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Originally posted by GameplayDevUFC

And "The Last of Us 2" sas a user meta critic score of 5 and it's one of the top selling games of all time.

User ratings tell you how much free time the people you've pissed off with the game have to invest in trying to game the rating system. Nothing else.

I can guarantee you no one at EA or in the UFC is making any decisions based on metacritic user ratings.

My guy...

You are the one that brought up how UFC 4 has great reviews...

Critic reviews are inherently biased at their core. Their business revolves around pushing numbers in a positive way, and being on the good side of developers/publishers.

**GameplayDevUFC** · 08-18-2020, 01:06 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Originally posted by Haz____

My guy...

You are the one that brought up how UFC 4 has great reviews...

I said the reviews for UFC 4 are better than for UFC 1, UFC 2, and UFC 3.

And the sales are likely higher too.

So it's not a failure, it's a success. By every measure that EA and the UFC will care about.

Based on that assessment, hoping for the game to switch publishers is a waste of energy.

And so is arguing with people who refuse to listen and just post reviews of UD3 as if that has any bearing on the conversation.

The game is a success and you don't like that fact.

Sorry.

**Haz____** · 08-18-2020, 01:09 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Originally posted by GameplayDevUFC

I said the reviews for UFC 4 are better than for UFC 1, UFC 2, and UFC 3.

And the sales are likely higher too.

So it's not a failure, it's a success. By every measure that EA and the UFC will care about.

Based on that assessment, hoping for the game to switch publishers is a waste of energy.

And so is arguing with people who refuse to listen and just post reviews of UD3 as if that has any bearing on the conversation.

The game is a success and you don't like that fact.

Sorry.

The game has been out for barely 4 days. Don't you think you're making a few too many assumptions and jumping the gun a little here?

Also the fact UD3 which came out over 8 years ago has a rating literally twice as high as all 4 attempts EA has made seems like pretty valuable information to me if I were a developer. If my product was continiously dogged on, but this other product is universally loved, I might be taking some notes. But hey, what do I know.

**ab541** · 08-18-2020, 01:10 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Originally posted by GameplayDevUFC

And "The Last of Us 2" sas a user meta critic score of 5 and it's one of the top selling games of all time.

User ratings tell you how much free time the people you've pissed off with the game have to invest in trying to game the rating system. Nothing else.

I can guarantee you no one at EA or in the UFC is making any decisions based on metacritic user ratings.

Sales dont equate to review scores, i fully agree. But TLOU 2 was getting massivley review bombed for some of the agendas it was supposedly pushing. Mostly just trolls who never bought the game leaving those reviews, but its obviously not the same case with EA UFC 4. I certaintly will never be buying EA UFC 4, but the sad truth of what your saying is right.

What we are pointing out is how EA marketing folks are reeling these people in, selling them a lie, then they are finding the game is terrible/dumbed down based on the feeback they have gotten year in year out from what we can see on Metacritic in this specific case.

EDIT: Also you said "And the sales are likely higher too". Likley is a little different from what you said before "while it pulls in better reviews and more sales than previous iterations of the franchise". Seems like an assumption to me personally. Either its a fact or not when we are talking about actual numbers generated by sales. Also are we comparing the 4 sales figures to the first 4 days of EA UFC 3 VS 4 or is it based on some rough sales estimate as you dont work at EA anymore?

AB541

**aholbert32** · 08-18-2020, 01:16 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Originally posted by Haz____

It's just extremely bizarre to me that you're going to make a game about a subject, but then market it solely to people who arent interested in the subject...

But that's EA for ya

Now thats a valid point but the answer is simple.

The people who are REALLY INTERESTED in the subject are buying the game no matter what.

Its a waste of marketing dollars to focus on buyers who are pretty much guaranteed to buy the game. ****, for all the complaining here, I gotta say that I'm crazy disappointed with the number of people here who bitched for 2-3 yrs....and still bought the game day 1.

Those people absolutely justified EA's marketing approach.

**Haz____** · 08-18-2020, 01:18 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Originally posted by aholbert32

Now thats a valid point but the answer is simple.

The people who are REALLY INTERESTED in the subject are buying the game no matter what.

Its a waste of marketing dollars to focus on buyers who are pretty much guaranteed to buy the game. ****, for all the complaining here, I gotta say that I'm crazy disappointed with the number of people here who bitched for 2-3 yrs....and still bought the game day 1.

Those people absolutely justified EA's marketing approach.

I didn't buy this game. So don't lump me into that. It's not easy, because I am a GIANT martial arts and combat sports fan, but there's just too many things ****ed up in this game for me to actually purchase it.

**tunnelblick24** · 08-18-2020, 01:20 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Originally posted by aholbert32

2k has a license for "non-simulation" football games. They cant make the game you, me and others want.

It's scary but 2Ks "non-simulation" football game might be more "sim" in many aspects than EAs "simulation" football game.

**aholbert32** · 08-18-2020, 01:22 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Originally posted by Haz____

The game has been out for barely 4 days. Don't you think you're making a few too many assumptions and jumping the gun a little here?

Also the fact UD3 which came out over 8 years ago has a rating literally twice as high as all 4 attempts EA has made seems like pretty valuable information to me if I were a developer. If my product was continiously dogged on, but this other product is universally loved, I might be taking some notes. But hey, what do I know.

Not really. Launch week sales are typically when a game sells the most games over its lifespan. So if a game has significantly increased its launch week sales when compared to previous games...thats a success.

The last sentence is interesting though. I guess I've been in the corporate world to long. For example, I've worked on good television shows and some ****ty ones. Some of the ****ty ones have been some of the most successful shows in the world.

Now if my company only cares about how much revenue a show is bringing in...thats all I'm going to care about. I could give a **** if thousands of people are complaining about my show or talking about how other shows are better. If millions of people are watching my show and my company is happy...thats all i care about.

**aholbert32** · 08-18-2020, 01:23 PM

Re: The Fall of EA Sports

Originally posted by tunnelblick24

It's scary but 2Ks "non-simulation" football game might be more "sim" in many aspects than EAs "simulation" football game.

It wont. It will be like NBA Playgrounds or WWE Battlegrounds. It will be a fun pick up and play game that my 6 yr old can play. It wont be what people want. It wont be NFL2k21.

The Fall of EA Sports

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