It is so unrealistic!

[aholbert32]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

Thing is some of the criticisms on the discord were about certain parts not even working correctly. It wasn’t a matter of just not liking it. It’s like getting a phone upgrade and when you complain about some things not working correctly you are told to just use your old phone.

It’s one thing if you just don’t like something but it works and talking about things that don’t work. It’s like ordering food that’s spicy and you just don’t enjoy it but it’s supposed to be spicy. That’s on you. If it’s overcooked/undercooked, something in it is off then that’s a different story.

I can only speak to what I saw. The responses that Skynet said that Pry's video highlighted were in response to someone complaining that they switched the sub system in 4 (he preferred 3), someone complaining that they "neglected online play (balance)" and someone complaining about EA not patching "game breaking mechanics".

Skynet told the first guy to go play 3 (since he preferred the sub system in 3) and laughed at the 2nd one (which is the correct response given that the last thing UFC gamers should be complaining about is that the devs dont support online play). His response in the the 3rd one is basically to say that they cant fix everything in patches and the team has to "pick their poison".

The reality is people on the internet take advantage when it comes to this stuff. They say ALL sorts of wild **** to the devs (****, I've seen people say personal **** about Geoff back in the day) but when a dev (after 9 mos of complaints) says "maybe go play something else"...its a big deal?

Thats kinda laughable to me. Its all internet **** because I know 99% of those people angrily complaining about the game would be quiet as a ****ing church mouse if they were in a room with one of the devs. They would be respectful as ****...and it likely would lead to a better understanding of the decisions EA made and why they made them (I'm not saying that the decisions were right).

Anyway, I dont begrudge a dev for firing back once in a while. Like we are 8 mos in. Nothing major is changing on this game from this point. Its time for people to accept the game for what it is. Its ok to dislike it (I kinda do) but at this point yelling at the devs isnt going to do any good.

[ryangil23]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

FIFA is the Call of Duty of football games. The consensus among football fans is that PES is the football sim.



You're not getting a refund if you complain after finishing the whole meal either. If refund policies were as lax as you want them to be, what is stopping people from beating a game in ten hours then demanding a refund because they found bugs? It's like ordering an expensive steak then asking for refund after you gulped it because you thought it was overcooked.

I'd imagine digital products are a grey area in general because of that and how hardware can impact the performance. For example, sometimes your FPS may drop because your hardware doesn't ventilate properly. Obviously you were referring to common UFC 4 bugs that happen to everyone but the point is that the refund policy of PC digital game stores is that you can only get a refund before 2 hours of playtime or 2 weeks of purchase date because that should be enough time to determine whether the game actually works.

Again, you've played UFC 4 for 8 months and hundreds of hours. It is completely unreasonable to demand a refund anymore because of minor (=the game isn't completely unplayable) gameplay bugs. The closest thing to a game-breaking bug that is the weird invisible characters glitch when the game launched but it only affected one match when it happened and didn't ruin the whole software.

I’m not asking for a refund but what I’m saying is I can understand why people get frustrated when that isn’t even an option on consoles as far as I know. I’m sure if you’ve even downloaded the game it’s non-refundable. I just think it’s a really low bar if the game “works” I.e not crashing constantly or bricking your console for it to be acceptable.

[ryangil23]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

I can only speak to what I saw. The responses that Skynet said that Pry's video highlighted were in response to someone complaining that they switched the sub system in 4 (he preferred 3), someone complaining that they "neglected online play (balance)" and someone complaining about EA not patching "game breaking mechanics".

Skynet told the first guy to go play 3 (since he preferred the sub system in 3) and laughed at the 2nd one (which is the correct response given that the last thing UFC gamers should be complaining about is that the devs dont support online play). His response in the the 3rd one is basically to say that they cant fix everything in patches and the team has to "pick their poison".

The reality is people on the internet take advantage when it comes to this stuff. They say ALL sorts of wild **** to the devs (****, I've seen people say personal **** about Geoff back in the day) but when a dev (after 9 mos of complaints) says "maybe go play something else"...its a big deal?

Thats kinda laughable to me. Its all internet **** because I know 99% of those people angrily complaining about the game would be quiet as a ****ing church mouse if they were in a room with one of the devs. They would be respectful as ****...and it likely would lead to a better understanding of the decisions EA made and why they made them (I'm not saying that the decisions were right).

Anyway, I dont begrudge a dev for firing back once in a while. Like we are 8 mos in. Nothing major is changing on this game from this point. Its time for people to accept the game for what it is. Its ok to dislike it (I kinda do) but at this point yelling at the devs isnt going to do any good.

Fair enough. At this point it’s just shouting into the void anyway. We are asking for the impossible.

[igor.rn]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

Alberto, do we still have a chance to get alternative skins for iconic fighters, like reimporting Jones and Aldo from UFC 1 to UFC 4? and, is it also possible to revise the legends? Anderson Silva and the other legends need a shine ...

hugs

[aholbert32]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

Alberto, do we still have a chance to get alternative skins for iconic fighters, like reimporting Jones and Aldo from UFC 1 to UFC 4? and, is it also possible to revise the legends? Anderson Silva and the other legends need a shine ...



hugs

No idea. I typically only find out what’s coming a few days before a patch and I’m not able to talk about it anyway.


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[Pedro_Guap]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

Trash takes like this is why nobody bothers to visit this forum.

1) "GENUINELY HATING" game developers of all people says more about you than them. It's nauseatingly pathetic.

2) You made a thread whining about Geoff being part of the developer team before the game had came out. How can you of all people complain about being disrespected?

3) Pryoxis literally quit his job to do UFC content full-time. I have no problem with it but that video is clearly clickbait. And you fell for it.

4) The rudest comment Skynet made (based on the 4K SCREENSHOTS Pryoxis took) is asking why Dyno has invested so much time into a half-made game. I don't remember if he has said this before but plenty of people have beforehand. This is your idea of BS DISRESPECT while you intentionally misspell his username, declare hatred and blatantly lie that they think the game is flawless now.

It shouldn't be relevant but I've barely played UFC 4 (less than 10 hours last 6 weeks?) because a lot of the design choices don't appeal to me.

Just sad really.

I stick by what I said.

These guys are just awful. 10 years in and we deal with the same issues.

People can be simp for these games all they want. They are incomplete and broken upon release

UFC 3 took the better part of a year after release to get into a decent place.

Look at the Rayhan if you need an example of the the peak brokenness of this game.

[Pedro_Guap]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

Yeah but you guys are putting them in a position where they cant win. Lets accept one thing:

THE GAME ISNT DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE WHO GO TO OS OR THE UFC DISCORD AND PLAY THE GAME. ITS TARGETED FOR CASUAL FANS WHO DONT GIVE A **** ABOUT THINGS LIKE CAGE CONTROL.

The game isnt designed for people like you or me that are hardcore fans of the sport.

Once we accept that fact, what are they supposed to do when it comes to communication? Take Skynet.

Now I'm biased when it comes to him. He is one of the few devs on that team that has been consistently responsive during the 5 yrs I've been on the team. From an AI/Realism perspective, he has been willing to sit down with me and walk me through all of the things that goes into AI. He's been honest about the things the team could do and couldnt do. He is the only reasons people like me or Aero or Trust are able to regularly provide real input when it comes to the offline part of this game.

So say you are Skynet. You could do what 99% of the UFC devs do and thats lurk. Many of them see your posts on OS or Reddit or the Discord. They see everything you are writing....but they dont interact because alot of the interactions are just flat out negative (I'm not saying that they arent justified).

If you do that, people will complain about the devs being unresponsive.

If he chooses to interact with users, he is guaranteed to interact with that negativity...and thats fine too.

The issue I have is that people can **** on the devs (I see way more of this on Reddit and the Discord) but when a dev says "If you dont like the direction of 4...stick w/ 3"...thats a problem?

Thats so weird to me.

I'm not defending 4. I still play it but overall I'm very disappointed with the direction of the series. I'm just a little dumbfounded that the "customer" is allowed to **** all over his (and his colleagues) work and thats fine but if he fires back....thats over the line?

Yes, it is over the line.

Look at almost every tweet or post made by EA regarding this game. Comments are filled with similar complaints... These are not just people from OS, Reddit or Discord.

Similar complaints have been made about this game for years.

I think the problem is that theyve had the same devs/project planners/managers repeating the same stupid fkin mistakes over and again for years.

We need different minds in the kitchen. These guys are through. We don't have options for a different games so I will point out what is wrong with this until we get that option.

[aholbert32]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

Yes, it is over the line.

Look at almost every tweet or post made by EA regarding this game. Comments are filled with similar complaints... These are not just people from OS, Reddit or Discord.

Similar complaints have been made about this game for years.

I think the problem is that theyve had the same devs/project planners/managers repeating the same stupid fkin mistakes over and again for years.

We need different minds in the kitchen. These guys are through. We don't have options for a different games so I will point out what is wrong with this until we get that option.

You are arguing the wrong point. No one is saying you cant complain. No one is saying you cant go to any form of social media to complain about the game. ****, even if I was making that argument, players like you would still complain everywhere.

I'm saying its hypocritical to complain and then "clutch your pearls" in shock when a dev responds back in a similarly aggressive way (Skynet wasnt even being aggressive to be honest".

If it was me, I wouldve been told most of you to **** off. LOL.

[TapOrSnap]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

Yeah but you guys are putting them in a position where they cant win. Lets accept one thing:

THE GAME ISNT DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE WHO GO TO OS OR THE UFC DISCORD AND PLAY THE GAME. ITS TARGETED FOR CASUAL FANS WHO DONT GIVE A **** ABOUT THINGS LIKE CAGE CONTROL.

The game isnt designed for people like you or me that are hardcore fans of the sport.

Once we accept that fact, what are they supposed to do when it comes to communication? Take Skynet.

Now I'm biased when it comes to him. He is one of the few devs on that team that has been consistently responsive during the 5 yrs I've been on the team. From an AI/Realism perspective, he has been willing to sit down with me and walk me through all of the things that goes into AI. He's been honest about the things the team could do and couldnt do. He is the only reasons people like me or Aero or Trust are able to regularly provide real input when it comes to the offline part of this game.

So say you are Skynet. You could do what 99% of the UFC devs do and thats lurk. Many of them see your posts on OS or Reddit or the Discord. They see everything you are writing....but they dont interact because alot of the interactions are just flat out negative (I'm not saying that they arent justified).

If you do that, people will complain about the devs being unresponsive.

If he chooses to interact with users, he is guaranteed to interact with that negativity...and thats fine too.

The issue I have is that people can **** on the devs (I see way more of this on Reddit and the Discord) but when a dev says "If you dont like the direction of 4...stick w/ 3"...thats a problem?

Thats so weird to me.

I'm not defending 4. I still play it but overall I'm very disappointed with the direction of the series. I'm just a little dumbfounded that the "customer" is allowed to **** all over his (and his colleagues) work and thats fine but if he fires back....thats over the line?

There's a lot to unpack here.

"you guys are putting them in a position where they cant win"
This is true but we keep trying. We know we can't make everyone happy but we are always trying to keep as many people as possible happy.

"THE GAME ISNT DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE WHO GO TO OS OR THE UFC DISCORD AND PLAY THE GAME"
This is not true or at least it is only half true. To the previous point we want to help as many people as possible have a good time with our game. We try to accommodate the desires of the high level players within the constraints of our capacity to make changes within the game we've already released. However we can't make those changes to detriment of the enjoyment of the silent majority of our players. This is why most of the changes we have put into the game since patch have been high level play adjustments based on feedback specifically from this forum and discord. The topic of sim mode has been tossed around a lot in this thread and while we all like the idea we don't want to split our community as has been stated multiple times. People on the forums have also talked about adding sliders to invite matches, this is something we have looked at and have never taken off the table but during development of a game and the post launch patching cycle we have to choose what we implement within our capacity to deliver. If a new game mode will appeal to more players than online sliders and we only have capacity for one or the other we implement the new game mode.

"So say you are Skynet. You could do what 99% of the UFC devs do and thats lurk."
Guilty as charged. I do lurk. I only comment when I have something specific to say in response to someone or if someone provides good constructive feedback and I wish to engage with them to flesh out their ideas. I try to keep my comments specific and free of any sort of inflammatory language otherwise I risk my comments being taken out of context, which has happened to both myself and Skynet, quite recently in his case.

"I'm just a little dumbfounded that the "customer" is allowed to **** all over his (and his colleagues) work and thats fine but if he fires back....thats over the line?"
This is role we have accepted as representatives of the company and the game. We are held to a higher standard than the general internet populace. People have used to word hate to describe their feelings towards myself and my friends and coworkers on forums such as this more times than I care to count, however nobody's making a youtube video of that. Why would they? No one would watch. I truly appreciate the people who play our game and our community, I love that we have such passionate players and I think the vast majority of you are the types of people I'd like to go out for a drink with. However there are a few members of this community that don't garner that level of respect from me, not because they play or don't play our game, or because they like or dislike our game, but because they are the type of person who would openly say they hate a person because they are unhappy with the job they did or disagree with their design choices. That's not the sort of person I could ever like.

aholbert32 you have been one of our more vocal critics at times however you have maintained a level of respect and understand that we have limits. I appreciate your feedback and our game is better as a result of our interactions.

Thank you for that.

[Stealthhh]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

There's a lot to unpack here.

"you guys are putting them in a position where they cant win"
This is true but we keep trying. We know we can't make everyone happy but we are always trying to keep as many people as possible happy.

"THE GAME ISNT DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE WHO GO TO OS OR THE UFC DISCORD AND PLAY THE GAME"
This is not true or at least it is only half true. To the previous point we want to help as many people as possible have a good time with our game. We try to accommodate the desires of the high level players within the constraints of our capacity to make changes within the game we've already released. However we can't make those changes to detriment of the enjoyment of the silent majority of our players. This is why most of the changes we have put into the game since patch have been high level play adjustments based on feedback specifically from this forum and discord. The topic of sim mode has been tossed around a lot in this thread and while we all like the idea we don't want to split our community as has been stated multiple times. People on the forums have also talked about adding sliders to invite matches, this is something we have looked at and have never taken off the table but during development of a game and the post launch patching cycle we have to choose what we implement within our capacity to deliver. If a new game mode will appeal to more players than online sliders and we only have capacity for one or the other we implement the new game mode.

"So say you are Skynet. You could do what 99% of the UFC devs do and thats lurk."
Guilty as charged. I do lurk. I only comment when I have something specific to say in response to someone or if someone provides good constructive feedback and I wish to engage with them to flesh out their ideas. I try to keep my comments specific and free of any sort of inflammatory language otherwise I risk my comments being taken out of context, which has happened to both myself and Skynet, quite recently in his case.

"I'm just a little dumbfounded that the "customer" is allowed to **** all over his (and his colleagues) work and thats fine but if he fires back....thats over the line?"
This is role we have accepted as representatives of the company and the game. We are held to a higher standard than the general internet populace. People have used to word hate to describe their feelings towards myself and my friends and coworkers on forums such as this more times than I care to count, however nobody's making a youtube video of that. Why would they? No one would watch. I truly appreciate the people who play our game and our community, I love that we have such passionate players and I think the vast majority of you are the types of people I'd like to go out for a drink with. However there are a few members of this community that don't garner that level of respect from me, not because they play or don't play our game, or because they like or dislike our game, but because they are the type of person who would openly say they hate a person because they are unhappy with the job they did or disagree with their design choices. That's not the sort of person I could ever like.

aholbert32 you have been one of our more vocal critics at times however you have maintained a level of respect and understand that we have limits. I appreciate your feedback and our game is better as a result of our interactions.

Thank you for that.

May I ask, isn't the playerbase split already? Isn't ranked, quick match, and the blitz mode already splitting the playerbase? I mean I personally just don't understand how it could affect it if a lot of people have been asking for a SIM mode for a good while now. What could it hurt? You never know if you don't try it y'know?

[TapOrSnap]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

May I ask, isn't the playerbase split already? Isn't ranked, quick match, and the blitz mode already splitting the playerbase? I mean I personally just don't understand how it could affect it if a lot of people have been asking for a SIM mode for a good while now. What could it hurt? You never know if you don't try it y'know?

Yes the player base is already split. That is not an argument for splitting it further. I have tried it before as I have both worked on other games as well as played games where the community faltered and died before its time because what would have otherwise been a healthy number of players were unable to find a suitable game because they were split by regional, server or mode based constraints.

I'm not saying it wouldn't work I don't know for sure. However at this point in this product's life cycle it is not a risk I would be willing to take. Others in this thread have already quite eloquently stated the reasons why splitting the community could be rife with problems.

[Stealthhh]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

Yes the player base is already split. That is not an argument for splitting it further. I have tried it before as I have both worked on other games as well as played games where the community faltered and died before its time because what would have otherwise been a healthy number of players were unable to find a suitable game because they were split by regional, server or mode based constraints.

I'm not saying it wouldn't work I don't know for sure. However at this point in this product's life cycle it is not a risk I would be willing to take. Others in this thread have already quite eloquently stated the reasons why splitting the community could be rife with problems.

I understand what you mean, but this is an MMA game. It's a real sport. Therefore when people think of a UFC game or an MMA game in general, most people think simulation, or close to a simulation. I guarantee you if you put out a simulation mode a lot of people would jump ship to that mode, and people wouldn't complain as much. People are already saying they're going to jump ship to the new boxing game ESBC when that comes out. Why? Because the developers have said they want their game to be a simulation, and people like that, people want that. If anything more people would probably start playing UFC 4 again because of this alone, especially since the game is late in its life cycle. You wanna have quality of life features or improvements for your product, and the perfect thing would be a simulation mode. Casual players and hardcore players would both be pleased. Both the game and the UFC brand would look good because it would be a more accurate representation of the sport, and your product would gain more fans/players since more people would be recommending your game. Just something to think about. Nonetheless, I appreciate your response.

[igor.rn]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

There's a lot to unpack here.

"you guys are putting them in a position where they cant win"
This is true but we keep trying. We know we can't make everyone happy but we are always trying to keep as many people as possible happy.

"THE GAME ISNT DESIGNED FOR PEOPLE WHO GO TO OS OR THE UFC DISCORD AND PLAY THE GAME"
This is not true or at least it is only half true. To the previous point we want to help as many people as possible have a good time with our game. We try to accommodate the desires of the high level players within the constraints of our capacity to make changes within the game we've already released. However we can't make those changes to detriment of the enjoyment of the silent majority of our players. This is why most of the changes we have put into the game since patch have been high level play adjustments based on feedback specifically from this forum and discord. The topic of sim mode has been tossed around a lot in this thread and while we all like the idea we don't want to split our community as has been stated multiple times. People on the forums have also talked about adding sliders to invite matches, this is something we have looked at and have never taken off the table but during development of a game and the post launch patching cycle we have to choose what we implement within our capacity to deliver. If a new game mode will appeal to more players than online sliders and we only have capacity for one or the other we implement the new game mode.

"So say you are Skynet. You could do what 99% of the UFC devs do and thats lurk."
Guilty as charged. I do lurk. I only comment when I have something specific to say in response to someone or if someone provides good constructive feedback and I wish to engage with them to flesh out their ideas. I try to keep my comments specific and free of any sort of inflammatory language otherwise I risk my comments being taken out of context, which has happened to both myself and Skynet, quite recently in his case.

"I'm just a little dumbfounded that the "customer" is allowed to **** all over his (and his colleagues) work and thats fine but if he fires back....thats over the line?"
This is role we have accepted as representatives of the company and the game. We are held to a higher standard than the general internet populace. People have used to word hate to describe their feelings towards myself and my friends and coworkers on forums such as this more times than I care to count, however nobody's making a youtube video of that. Why would they? No one would watch. I truly appreciate the people who play our game and our community, I love that we have such passionate players and I think the vast majority of you are the types of people I'd like to go out for a drink with. However there are a few members of this community that don't garner that level of respect from me, not because they play or don't play our game, or because they like or dislike our game, but because they are the type of person who would openly say they hate a person because they are unhappy with the job they did or disagree with their design choices. That's not the sort of person I could ever like.

aholbert32 you have been one of our more vocal critics at times however you have maintained a level of respect and understand that we have limits. I appreciate your feedback and our game is better as a result of our interactions.

Thank you for that.

I have a suggestion that I think 90% of players would like ... you made a legacy Model for Conor Mcgregor, why not expand it to other iconic fighters? Jose Aldo UFC 1 Jon Jones UFC 1 or 3 Rashad UFC 1 ... it would be really cool I wonder why it hasn't been done yet and if there are any impediments to it? big hug.

[Leiqueros]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

There are so many things that would improve this game, and I'm not just talking about the gameplay, details that would bring this game closer to reality, such as injuries, for example, I can't imagine that a sport as tough as this one never comes out. an injured fighter, and cannot even because of the injury, be present at the hand-lift to decide the champion of the fight.

That if the case were to come, a fight could end in a draw, it is something very unusual, but it would not be bad if this happened and from there to have a rematch between the same fighters, that would give him a lot of relief.

In very accurate blows, see the mouth guard go off.

That at the moment that a fighter falls stunned to the ground, to be able to go to finish him off and that the referee of the fight intervenes, since certainly the referee is a separate entity in the fights, he hardly even intervenes in the fights, and this has nothing to do with reality, since the referees interact more than we can see in the game.

And so I could continue saying many more things, that would bring this game much closer to what this sport is.

But apart from all that, I who am a fan of the edition, I think that UFC 4 has left the creation and edition of fighters in a very bad place, the obligation to use stereotypes which can be very good for someone who does not want to lose much. time to create a fighter, but who likes to edit any statistics as well as any movement, leaves us very bad.

On the other hand, in the last update, he added something that is very good, to be able to choose clothes before the fights, but the CAFs are not allowed that, and I do not understand why they cannot, with that the CAFs cannot even wear the rest of the colors other than the black and white of the Venum brand.

[Ducote]

Re: It is so unrealistic!

What’s with Stephen Thompson’s arms? He looks like chubbs Peterson ffs