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  • DJ
    Hall Of Fame
    • Apr 2003
    • 17756

    #1711
    Re: OS MMA Random Thread

    Just 42 years old. Way too young to pass. He certainly led an interesting life. Who else can say they went from backyard brawler to UFC headliner?

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    • WarMMA
      MVP
      • Apr 2016
      • 4612

      #1712
      Re: OS MMA Random Thread

      Damn man...R.I.P Kimbo. He may not have been great, but he was definitely an entertaining guy to watch.

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      • DJ
        Hall Of Fame
        • Apr 2003
        • 17756

        #1713
        Re: OS MMA Random Thread

        Originally posted by aholbert32
        On another note, the UFC has reinstated Helwani.
        Calculated wording by the UFC in its statement, and they are clearly still very pissed at Ariel. It'll be interesting to hear how Ariel is treated at the next UFC show.
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        • Dave_S
          Dave
          • Apr 2016
          • 7835

          #1714
          Re: OS MMA Random Thread

          Considering Dana said he will never get press credentials while he's in charge I suspect there will be bitterness for sure, but I would expect the UFC employees that are actually professionals will treat them just fine. I expect the UFC won't feed Helwani info for a while, and it's probably been a pretty terrible day for UFC employees that work Dana and Lorenzo.

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          • Yaari
            MVP
            • Feb 2014
            • 1496

            #1715
            Re: OS MMA Random Thread

            How very sad to hear about Kimbo's passing. Especially since he was active so recently.

            I didn't became a fan because of him because I was already watching then, but seeing him in Strikeforce etc after originally only knowing him from his backyard brawls was amazing.

            He seemed like a genuinely nice person too.

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            • Phobia
              Hall Of Fame
              • Jan 2008
              • 11623

              #1716
              Re: OS MMA Random Thread

              The whole dictatorship thing the UFC has going on is starting to wear thin. It just shows how petty and unprofessional they are as a whole or maybe its just Dana and the Fertitta's, either way it looks bad because it has this "I have the power and get my way" stink to it.

              Ban the man for doing his job? Really? Most of the time he is helping the UFC with their gate numbers, it sure isn't hurting by reporting on up coming match-ups.

              Now I seen the UFC has reinstated his credentials but the statement still rings of self-righteousness, as if they worked out a deal on what Ariel can cover. They are acting shady, like they can silence journalist.........I feel for Ariel though. He has been nothing but professional from what I've seen and to be treated this way surely has to feel like a slap in the face.

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              • Money99
                Hall Of Fame
                • Sep 2002
                • 12695

                #1717
                Re: OS MMA Random Thread

                Still in shock over Kimbo's death.
                I know he was older and carried a lot of muscle, but as his career went on, he seemed to gas earlier and earlier.
                That's why I wonder if his death is heart related. Maybe he had a genetic condition?

                He also came across as quite humble - at least in some of the interviews I read.
                RIP big man.

                P.S. Phobia, I love your avatar. I'm in love with Gina Carano. She's been#1 on my Hall Pass list for quite some time.
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                • aholbert32
                  (aka Alberto)
                  • Jul 2002
                  • 33106

                  #1718
                  Re: OS MMA Random Thread

                  Originally posted by Phobia
                  The whole dictatorship thing the UFC has going on is starting to wear thin. It just shows how petty and unprofessional they are as a whole or maybe its just Dana and the Fertitta's, either way it looks bad because it has this "I have the power and get my way" stink to it.

                  Ban the man for doing his job? Really? Most of the time he is helping the UFC with their gate numbers, it sure isn't hurting by reporting on up coming match-ups.

                  Now I seen the UFC has reinstated his credentials but the statement still rings of self-righteousness, as if they worked out a deal on what Ariel can cover. They are acting shady, like they can silence journalist.........I feel for Ariel though. He has been nothing but professional from what I've seen and to be treated this way surely has to feel like a slap in the face.
                  Lets not act like Ariel has been a saint. What the UFC did was absolutely wrong but it was primarily because they banned the entire site for what Ariel did. A press credential isnt a right. Its a privilege. Teams in major sports have pulled press credentials for negative coverage of their teams so this isnt new.

                  Here are the things that Ariel did that pissed off the UFC:

                  - Covered a Bellator press conference while he was technically a Zuffa employee.

                  - Did an interview with Rory McDonald that was seen as him encouraging Rory to consider Free Agency while Ariel was a Zuffa employee.

                  - Asked Travis Browne questions about his relationship with Ronda before they officially went public. (He asked Travis before hand so I dont have an issue with this).

                  - Had an interview with Nate Diaz that was widely seen as anti-UFC and he failed to challenge any of the blatant false statements Diaz made.

                  - Broke the Brock story without attempting to get a comment from the UFC which is against journalistic protocol.


                  So I get why the UFC is pissed. They arent in the business of granting press credentials to journalists who are really negative about the business.

                  They also dont really need him. I love Ariel and the MMA world does too but if he retired tomorrow, the MMA world doesnt change. The UFC announces all of its fights through its social media channels. It conducts its own interviews with fighters. Major outlets like ESPN and Fox give them plenty of coverage.

                  Back in the day, sites like Sherdog and MMAFighting were necessary. Now they are mostly just reporting what everyone else does.

                  I still dont think what the UFC did was right but I can understand it. Its funny because after hearing Ariel on the MMA Hour, I was less sympathetic for him (even though he was crying). He admitted to getting paid by the UFC for years (which he never disclosed) and seemed to have lame excuses for some of the things that he did to hurt his relationship with the UFC.

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                  • DieHardYankee26
                    BING BONG
                    • Feb 2008
                    • 10178

                    #1719
                    Re: OS MMA Random Thread

                    They did what was within their rights, it's not like they put a restriction on him entering the building. If someone invites you in their house and you do something they don't like, you get kicked out and the door won't be open for you again, that's just life.

                    But they should be careful IMO. If Rogan's contract runs out and he doesn't resign and Ariel were to stop covering the sport, I'd basically be out and I don't think im the only one. I like fighting but I get almost all of my information from the MMA Hour, I don't scour the web for this stuff and Rogan is both the voice of the sport and I love his fight companions more than commentary when he isn't at the event. Losing these guys would be a big blow to the UFC IMO, ESPN and Fox are promoting UFC because it benefits them, if that isn't the case they won't anymore. Ariel's been around forever.
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                    • aholbert32
                      (aka Alberto)
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 33106

                      #1720
                      Re: OS MMA Random Thread

                      Originally posted by DieHardYankee26
                      They did what was within their rights, it's not like they put a restriction on him entering the building. If someone invites you in their house and you do something they don't like, you get kicked out and the door won't be open for you again, that's just life.

                      But they should be careful IMO. If Rogan's contract runs out and he doesn't resign and Ariel were to stop covering the sport, I'd basically be out and I don't think im the only one. I like fighting but I get almost all of my information from the MMA Hour, I don't scour the web for this stuff and Rogan is both the voice of the sport and I love his fight companions more than commentary when he isn't at the event. Losing these guys would be a big blow to the UFC IMO, ESPN and Fox are promoting UFC because it benefits them, if that isn't the case they won't anymore. Ariel's been around forever.
                      Really?

                      No matter what I love the fights foremost. Before I even knew what Sherdog was, I was watching UFC fights. Same with boxing. The press serves as a companion to the fights but I dont need Ariel, Joe, Luke Thomas or any analyst to get excited about a good PPV or Fox card.

                      Also Ariel doesnt do this strictly for the love of the sport...he doesnt it because he gets paid well.

                      Thats what was a bit alarming to me about Ariel's speech yesterday. He realized that he needs the UFC more than they need him. If he cant go to press events, he cant get those 5-10 interviews he gets before most events. If he's blacklisted, the UFC can make it so no UFC fighter will appear on the MMA Hour. During his speech, he wasnt saying "I'm still going to report on MMA". He was saying "I hope the UFC changes its mind because I dont know what I'm gonna do if they dont".

                      Josh Gross has been banned by the UFC for a decade and he still writes about MMA. Shoot, he was ESPN's lead writer for a few years but still couldnt get UFC press credentials. The job is harder for him but he still does it because he loves the sport.

                      It comes down to this for me:

                      Ariel knew the UFC was going to be pissed about the Brock leak and he did it anyway because he didnt think the UFC would ban him. He was wrong.

                      The UFC overreacted and banned him (and two of his colleagues who had nothing to do with the leak). They were wrong.

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                      • jeremym480
                        Speak it into existence
                        • Oct 2008
                        • 18198

                        #1721
                        Re: OS MMA Random Thread

                        I don't think there's anyone reporter, announcer, fighter or even president/promoter that would make be stop watching fights. I don't watch/listen/follow enough stuff for it to even move the needle with me. The only thing that would make me quit watching is if I lost interest and stopped caring about the sport.
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                        • DJ
                          Hall Of Fame
                          • Apr 2003
                          • 17756

                          #1722
                          Re: OS MMA Random Thread

                          Originally posted by aholbert32
                          Really?

                          No matter what I love the fights foremost. Before I even knew what Sherdog was, I was watching UFC fights. Same with boxing. The press serves as a companion to the fights but I dont need Ariel, Joe, Luke Thomas or any analyst to get excited about a good PPV or Fox card.

                          Also Ariel doesnt do this strictly for the love of the sport...he doesnt it because he gets paid well.

                          Thats what was a bit alarming to me about Ariel's speech yesterday. He realized that he needs the UFC more than they need him. If he cant go to press events, he cant get those 5-10 interviews he gets before most events. If he's blacklisted, the UFC can make it so no UFC fighter will appear on the MMA Hour. During his speech, he wasnt saying "I'm still going to report on MMA". He was saying "I hope the UFC changes its mind because I dont know what I'm gonna do if they dont".

                          Josh Gross has been banned by the UFC for a decade and he still writes about MMA. Shoot, he was ESPN's lead writer for a few years but still couldnt get UFC press credentials. The job is harder for him but he still does it because he loves the sport.

                          It comes down to this for me:

                          Ariel knew the UFC was going to be pissed about the Brock leak and he did it anyway because he didnt think the UFC would ban him. He was wrong.

                          The UFC overreacted and banned him (and two of his colleagues who had nothing to do with the leak). They were wrong.
                          I listened to Ariel's show last night (before I heard the ban had been lifted) and while I think he was justified in breaking both of those stories, I do think he should've had a conversation with the UFC about the two scoops before running with them.

                          Bert hit it right on the head with his last two statements. Both sides were in the wrong.
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                          • jasontoddwhitt
                            MVP
                            • May 2003
                            • 8095

                            #1723
                            Re: OS MMA Random Thread

                            Let me preface this by saying that I have worked in the media.

                            Number one rule of journalism is you don't sit on a story. If you have multiple credible sources who can confirm the story, then you run it. There is a problem with journalists who look for just one source before running with a story, but Ariel doesn't sound like that kind of journalist. If I'm in his position, I run the story....both of them. He's not obligated to run the story by UFC, because UFC will either lie and say it's not true (which goes against the multiple sources who confirmed the story) or they will tell you to sit on the story (which goes against rule #1).

                            If UFC is so worried about a leak, then they need to look internally, not blast the journalist for doing his job.
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                            • aholbert32
                              (aka Alberto)
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 33106

                              #1724
                              Re: OS MMA Random Thread

                              Originally posted by jasontoddwhitt
                              Let me preface this by saying that I have worked in the media.

                              Number one rule of journalism is you don't sit on a story. If you have multiple credible sources who can confirm the story, then you run it. There is a problem with journalists who look for just one source before running with a story, but Ariel doesn't sound like that kind of journalist. If I'm in his position, I run the story....both of them. He's not obligated to run the story by UFC, because UFC will either lie and say it's not true (which goes against the multiple sources who confirmed the story) or they will tell you to sit on the story (which goes against rule #1).

                              If UFC is so worried about a leak, then they need to look internally, not blast the journalist for doing his job.
                              But dont you have an obligation to check with the people involved in the story? For example, Ariel's sources couldve been Paul Heyman (who is a close friend of Lesnar) and a WWE employee (who would know because they granted Lesnar the right to fight at 200).

                              Neither one of those sources is directly involved with the story but both of them would be considered "credible." If you are trying to protect a relationsip that benefits you, wouldnt you want to give the UFC the oppurtunity to comment?

                              If they say "no comment", you report no comment. If they say "its a lie", you report it like ESPN did and say that its rumored but the UFC is denying it.

                              If they ask you to park it, you refuse but at least you've given the UFC a chance to respond.

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                              • The JareBear
                                Be Good To One Another
                                • Jul 2010
                                • 11560

                                #1725
                                Re: OS MMA Random Thread

                                I definitely understand why UFC did it, and they were well within their rights to do so. Knowing that he was previously cashing Zuffa checks definitely shed a different light on the whole situation as well.

                                I think he's a good guy but he just really likes to stir the pot and then fall back on "freedom of press" whenever someone takes issue.

                                Even though I can't blame the UFC really, I just felt sad for the guy, I've been there before, kinda.

                                Glad he was reinstated. Though I'm sure there will be future "tussles" as well. The rumor that he was slammed against a wall and choked by a Dana bodyguard at UFC 172 is awful, if it's true.

                                Bottom line is if you don't extend a company like UFC common courtesy eventually they will bite you.

                                A lot of people have a lot of really nice things to say about Kevin Ferguson. Rest in peace.
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