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  • Rau71
    Pro
    • Aug 2003
    • 410

    #106
    Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

    Originally posted by Pappy Knuckles
    Damn Faber is getting the Rashad treatment. He's another respectful dude who gets a bad rap. He didnt' take anything away from Brown or say that he would've defintiely won, only that it effected his performance. Having a broken hand in a fight tends to do that.
    Some people just rub the wrong way I guess. I don't have any problem or see anything wrong with the way Faber carries himself.
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    • Scoop_Brady
      MVP
      • Aug 2003
      • 1022

      #107
      Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

      Originally posted by Pappy Knuckles
      Damn Faber is getting the Rashad treatment. He's another respectful dude who gets a bad rap. He didnt' take anything away from Brown or say that he would've defintiely won, only that it affected his performance. Having a broken hand in a fight tends to do that.
      I think it's because the announcers are always on his jock. A lot of people are new to WEC and that type of praise tends to rub people the wrong way. Faber built this league and helped get it to where it is today much like Liddell is viewed with the UFC. His popularity and 3-year win streak helped catapult the WEC as a legitimate MMA organization.

      I personally like the guy a lot and think he's deserving of the praise he gets. Things that have swept the mma world over the past year-and-a-half often come from him like the jump and knee to the face while being caught in single-leg against the cage.

      He's a freestyler out there and that makes him exciting to watch to me. It's that style that made him a fan-favorite and it's also the carefree style that cost him his belt. I can't wait for his next fight.
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      • ezekiel55
        Th*s F*c* C*sh*s Ch*cks
        • Nov 2003
        • 2156

        #108
        Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

        I broke my hand about three years ago, and when they removed Faber's glove and tape, it looked exactly like mine after I broke it...the thing swells up to the size of a softball.

        Too bad Faber broke his hand, but I give that kid tons of credit...there is no way in hell I could go toe to toe with another guy for four rounds, after the break, considering the pain I was in when it happened to me.

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        • Qb
          All Star
          • Mar 2003
          • 8797

          #109
          Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

          Originally posted by Pappy Knuckles
          Damn Faber is getting the Rashad treatment. He's another respectful dude who gets a bad rap. He didnt' take anything away from Brown or say that he would've defintiely won, only that it affected his performance. Having a broken hand in a fight tends to do that.
          You may be right that it's a bad rap. I don't think he said anything out of line, but I felt he made too much of a show about his hand after the fight. No doubt he's an exciting fighter who put WEC on the map and I don't mean to ever take anything away from him in that regard. And if he hadn't broken his hand, he probably would have won the fight based on how it was going prior to the injury...

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          • allBthere
            All Star
            • Jan 2008
            • 5847

            #110
            Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

            Originally posted by Rau71
            Really? that must have been your what 2nd ever time watching MMA? With those small gloves broken hands happen all the time. Joe Riggs broke both of his hands the night before on the strikeforce card. Forrest Griffin broke his hand in his loss to Evans. Karo Parisyan broke his against Ryo Chonan. In training I know Houston Alexander and Thales Leties both had to withdraw from fights over broken hands.
            can you do everyone a favor and not type crap like that? Do you think you're some guru on the subject or something? I've been watching MMA since UFC1 - Saw it in my buddy's basement when I was 13. I'm also a martial artist, K1 fan, boxing fan, and mma fan.
            Part of it is genetics, part of it is conditioning, and part of it is technique. imo, Faber doesn't throw a lot of his punches properly. As far as I know, none of those guys had breaks as bad as faber, and most of them aren't top level fighters.
            Part of it is his fault...that's all. He wasn't screwed over or anything like that.
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            • PrettyT11
              MVP
              • Jul 2008
              • 3220

              #111
              Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

              Originally posted by Qb
              I'm not a Faber fan due to his personality (no doubting his talent) and was disappointed with how he handled himself after the fight. Having his team cut off his tape so he could parade his mangled hand around during the decision, looking at while it was announced, even tapping his arm while they raised Brown's hand. I realize that the injury did affect the outcome and that Faber was getting the better of the action to that point, but I thought his actions afterwards left something to be desired.
              I have to disagree with this part here. It's not like they did it just to show off his hand or anything. They had to cut off the tape and get some ice on it to try and help stop the swelling. I mean that thing was huge. That was done out of reasons other than trying to show off his hand. That ice was mandatory.

              I also didn't see him parading it at all. He was just holding there. I did see where he pointed to it and raised it after the decision or whatever but I think some people are trying to read more into it than what it really is. I really don't have any problem with how he acted at all. He didn't make any excuses or say anything along the lines as i should have won or my hand stopped me from doing winning. He gave the man creditfor beating him. There is nothing more that he needed to say or do.

              Originally posted by Pappy Knuckles
              He didnt' take anything away from Brown or say that he would've defintiely won, only that it affected his performance. Having a broken hand in a fight tends to do that.
              Co-sign this. i think some people are really underestimating how a BROKEN hand will affect what you can and can not do in a fight. He had him in a choke that would have ended any fight but couldn't close it off cause of the BROKEN hand. My hat goes off to the man for fighting through it and giving it his best. He could have easily just stayed in the corner and not fight after it happened.

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              • Rau71
                Pro
                • Aug 2003
                • 410

                #112
                Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

                Originally posted by allBthere
                can you do everyone a favor and not type crap like that? Do you think you're some guru on the subject or something? I've been watching MMA since UFC1 - Saw it in my buddy's basement when I was 13. I'm also a martial artist, K1 fan, boxing fan, and mma fan.
                Part of it is genetics, part of it is conditioning, and part of it is technique. imo, Faber doesn't throw a lot of his punches properly. As far as I know, none of those guys had breaks as bad as faber, and most of them aren't top level fighters.
                Part of it is his fault...that's all. He wasn't screwed over or anything like that.
                Can you do everyone a favor and not post something so blatantly wrong like, "He is the only high profile guy to break his hand"? And Forrest isn't high profile, your right. And I am sure if I looked into it more there would be plenty more people with broken hands.
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                • trojan49er
                  Rookie
                  • Apr 2009
                  • 48

                  #113
                  Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

                  Im pretty sure Couture broke his hand against Gonzaga if I remember correctly, just another low profile fighter breaking his hand, I guess.

                  It happens, with the small gloves used in MMA, breaking your hand is a distinct possibility for just about any fighter if your strikes arent spot on, if you miss and hit a bone full force that is denser and stronger than your hand, there isnt much padding to keep it from breaking. The guys that are closer to being immune to breaking their hands are guys who have repeadtedly broken, or even better, given themselves micro-fractures in the bones of ther hands, causing rediculously dense calcified bone to form protecting the bones of their hand.

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                  • DueceDiggla
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2002
                    • 4915

                    #114
                    Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

                    Originally posted by trojan49er
                    Im pretty sure Couture broke his hand against Gonzaga if I remember correctly, just another low profile fighter breaking his hand, I guess.

                    It happens, with the small gloves used in MMA, breaking your hand is a distinct possibility for just about any fighter if your strikes arent spot on, if you miss and hit a bone full force that is denser and stronger than your hand, there isnt much padding to keep it from breaking. The guys that are closer to being immune to breaking their hands are guys who have repeadtedly broken, or even better, given themselves micro-fractures in the bones of ther hands, causing rediculously dense calcified bone to form protecting the bones of their hand.

                    Couture broke his forearm deflecting a head kick.

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                    • Scoop_Brady
                      MVP
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 1022

                      #115
                      Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

                      How many times has Floyd Mayweather broken a hand? I'm pretty sure he knows how to properly throw a punch. It's ridiculous to say Faber broke his hand because he doesn't know how to throw a punch, IMO.
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                      • Rau71
                        Pro
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 410

                        #116
                        Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

                        Originally posted by Scoop_Brady
                        How many times has Floyd Mayweather broken a hand? I'm pretty sure he knows how to properly throw a punch. It's ridiculous to say Faber broke his hand because he doesn't know how to throw a punch, IMO.
                        True and those boxing gloves offer a lot more cushion then the MMA gloves.
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                        • trojan49er
                          Rookie
                          • Apr 2009
                          • 48

                          #117
                          Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

                          Originally posted by DueceDiggla
                          Couture broke his forearm deflecting a head kick.
                          whoops...my mistake, I sit corrected.

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                          • Qb
                            All Star
                            • Mar 2003
                            • 8797

                            #118
                            Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

                            Originally posted by PrettyT11
                            I have to disagree with this part here... I also didn't see him parading it at all.
                            Fair enough, I guess it's just a matter of perception. I liken it to everyone criticizing Sidney Crosby for every little thing he does (or they think he does). I'm a Penguins fan, so I give him the benefit of the doubt. If I weren't, I'd probably dislike him too, given the overwhelming media focus and hype surrounding him -- much like Faber. I think whoever made the point about the hype causing people to dislike him was very astute and perhaps I'm being overly critical...

                            But as far as not realizing how much the injury affected the fight, I'm certainly not in that camp. I take nothing away from the guts it took to fight the better part of four rounds without his dominant hand. And let's not forget, he hung in there pretty damn well and even had Brown in a bad spot or two after the injury.

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                            • allBthere
                              All Star
                              • Jan 2008
                              • 5847

                              #119
                              Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

                              Originally posted by Rau71
                              Can you do everyone a favor and not post something so blatantly wrong like, "He is the only high profile guy to break his hand"? And Forrest isn't high profile, your right. And I am sure if I looked into it more there would be plenty more people with broken hands.
                              Don't put things in quotations as if I said them. I said he's the only high profile guy I HAVE SEEN break his hand LIKE THAT. And I said MOST of the guys mentioned Weren't top level guys. I never said Forrest Griffin wasn't top level or high profile.
                              Misquoting someone is one of the worst things you can do on an online forum, I really don't appreciate it. Either take what I said in proper context or ignore it all together.
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                              • Scoop_Brady
                                MVP
                                • Aug 2003
                                • 1022

                                #120
                                Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

                                Originally posted by allBthere
                                Don't put things in quotations as if I said them. I said he's the only high profile guy I HAVE SEEN break his hand LIKE THAT. And I said MOST of the guys mentioned Weren't top level guys. I never said Forrest Griffin wasn't top level or high profile.
                                Misquoting someone is one of the worst things you can do on an online forum, I really don't appreciate it. Either take what I said in proper context or ignore it all together.
                                To be fair to Rau you did pretty much show your dislike of Faber and basically said it's his own fault for breaking his hand. Just about every fighter has broken their hand in a fight at some point in time. It's not their fault it happens, it's a fluke thing that is bound to happen at some point because of the nature of the sport. Same thing happens in boxing all of the time. As I pointed out earlier, Mayweather has broken his hands numerous times. Paulie Malignaggi in a title fight last year. Broken hands are common in MMA as well. Joe Riggs broke both hands in his fight the night before Faber did. Yushin Okami and Houston Alexander both had to miss fights because of broken hands. As mentioned Forrest Griffin broke his hand during his fight with Shad. Obviously they all play a part in the breaking of their hands since they break them during a fight but I would hardly say it's their fault that they broke their hands.
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