WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

[allBthere]

Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

To be fair to Rau you did pretty much show your dislike of Faber and basically said it's his own fault for breaking his hand. Just about every fighter has broken their hand in a fight at some point in time. It's not their fault it happens, it's a fluke thing that is bound to happen at some point because of the nature of the sport. Same thing happens in boxing all of the time. As I pointed out earlier, Mayweather has broken his hands numerous times. Paulie Malignaggi in a title fight last year. Broken hands are common in MMA as well. Joe Riggs broke both hands in his fight the night before Faber did. Yushin Okami and Houston Alexander both had to miss fights because of broken hands. As mentioned Forrest Griffin broke his hand during his fight with Shad. Obviously they all play a part in the breaking of their hands since they break them during a fight but I would hardly say it's their fault that they broke their hands.

That's not what I said,
I said SOME of the blame falls on them. For example, if Faber's hand heals correctly, I'm willing to be he changes little things about how he throws some particular punches. The entire point of this argument that has blown out of proportion is that Faber isn't some victim, he indeed broke his hand and technique (fist not clenched tightly for example) for that particular punch could have played a part, especially considering how intense the break was.
I'm also one of the people who think he was making it the focal point .... the pointing, and putting it in front of the camera, and posting the xray on his website - it's all excuse-esque imo.

All I was saying is that SOME of the blame regarding the break has to be put on Faber, rather than he's just some victim of random circumstance and would have dominated had he not been vicitimized by 'bad luck'. Give some credit to Brown for Beating him for the second time.

As far as boxing...I've read somewhere that boxing is harder on your hands simply because you can't actually squeeze your fist shut. I don't think breaking your hands in MMA is 'common' to the extent that 'most' guys will break their hands either - especailly to the extent Faber's broke...I've never seen a break that bad in mma, not even keith hackney in UFC2 lol.

[Stumbleweed]

Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

Anyone got a working link to watch these fights that you can PM me? MMAlinker and the rest seem to have been removed... the WEC was combing throug the feeds like crazy during the event and I guess they've kept it up with the replays too.. I saw the Pulver fight then the feeds went down.

[Scoop_Brady]

Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

Well, technically you said this first: "The bottom line is it's his fault, not some unfortunate event that he had no part in."

I just now saw that you later said he deserves SOME of the blame.

Either way I don't think it's right to blame a fighter for breaking his hand in a fight just like you wouldn't blame a football player for breaking his leg during a game. It's the nature of the sport and it's going to happen. It happens all of the time to varying degrees.

Also, I don't recall ever saying that Faber was a victim in any of this. I think it sucks he broke his hand because I really would like to have seen what would have happened had he not. You won't hear me say that Mike Brown didn't win that fight because according to WEC rules and judging criteria he did.

I do think that you are giving Brown too much credit for this fight just because you have obvious disdain for Faber. I was impressed with his power in the first fight. I was impressed with him in his fight against Garcia but I sure as hell wasn't impressed with Brown in this fight at all.

I'd say Faber definitely won the first round and Brown won the fight based upon his takedowns and control during the last 4 rounds of the fight. I'd say the standup in the last 4 rounds was a straight up draw and that's pretty damn sad considering Faber was reduced to throwing elbows with his dominant hand and open-palmed strikes with his remaining hand by the last round. Brown landed some combinations but overall I'd say Faber might have even outstruck him.

As far as the ground game is concerned, Brown had a lot of takedowns and control on the ground but he didn't do a damn thing with it. How many times did Urijah give up his back and Brown did nothing with it. That's pathetic.

You can ride Brown's jock all you want but for this fight I don't think he really deserves it. I would think if this match had been judged with the Japanese scoring system Faber would have likely won the fight.

In the end Brown is 2-0 against Faber and that's all that matters.

[allBthere]

Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

Well, technically you said this first: "The bottom line is it's his fault, not some unfortunate event that he had no part in."

I just now saw that you later said he deserves SOME of the blame.

Either way I don't think it's right to blame a fighter for breaking his hand in a fight just like you wouldn't blame a football player for breaking his leg during a game. It's the nature of the sport and it's going to happen. It happens all of the time to varying degrees.

Also, I don't recall ever saying that Faber was a victim in any of this. I think it sucks he broke his hand because I really would like to have seen what would have happened had he not. You won't hear me say that Mike Brown didn't win that fight because according to WEC rules and judging criteria he did.

I do think that you are giving Brown too much credit for this fight just because you have obvious disdain for Faber. I was impressed with his power in the first fight. I was impressed with him in his fight against Garcia but I sure as hell wasn't impressed with Brown in this fight at all.

I'd say Faber definitely won the first round and Brown won the fight based upon his takedowns and control during the last 4 rounds of the fight. I'd say the standup in the last 4 rounds was a straight up draw and that's pretty damn sad considering Faber was reduced to throwing elbows with his dominant hand and open-palmed strikes with his remaining hand by the last round. Brown landed some combinations but overall I'd say Faber might have even outstruck him.

As far as the ground game is concerned, Brown had a lot of takedowns and control on the ground but he didn't do a damn thing with it. How many times did Urijah give up his back and Brown did nothing with it. That's pathetic.

You can ride Brown's jock all you want but for this fight I don't think he really deserves it. I would think if this match had been judged with the Japanese scoring system Faber would have likely won the fight.

In the end Brown is 2-0 against Faber and that's all that matters.

I'm not even a big Brown fan! Just bugs me that everyone only seems to mention Faber, and Brown's the champ! Kenny Florian was talking non-stop about how awesome faber is, and at the end of the third round, he said it was probably 2 rounds to 1 for Brown! ...I'm not giving him too much credit - I'm just feeling like he's not getting ANY credit at all! Actually I think the opposite is true...too many people are giving Faber too much credit - what did he do besides break his hand and lose twice to Brown? If he wants people to think he can beat him, than don't break your hand next time or get KO'd.

Another thing - I never said you said anything - I was making a point and describing my views. I never said you thought Faber was a victim, I said that because that's the impression I get from things I saw on TV, read on the internet etc. People are saying (as he did) that it broke halfway through the first - I didn't notice anything until the 3rd round - the 2nd round he appeared fine to me (didnt rewatch the fight however) in fact his corner said it was the 3rd. The point is, this is getting ridiculous...So many people are claiming Faber could beat Brown easily even after he's been beat twice by him...broken hand or not, he needs to win at least once for this debate to make any sense.

[Scoop_Brady]

Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

It's all good man. I like both guys and look forward to seeing both of their next fights. Brown is 2-0 against Faber and that's all that matters.

[DueceDiggla]

Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

I don't like Faber at all but I came away from that fight pretty impressed by him, and not so much by Brown. It was clear as day that Faber broke his hand in the early rounds. Brown and his corner had to of noticed this too. As everyone saw, Faber could only throw elbows with his right arm, yet he was still able to hang in there, and Brown couldn't put him away.

Again, I do not like Faber at all, but I think he wouldv'e beaten Brown if he didn't break his hand. Brown was beating Faber early, but it looked like Faber was getting more comfortable as the fight went on.

[Taur3asi3]

Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

Brown and his corner had to of noticed this too. As everyone saw, Faber could only throw elbows with his right arm, yet he was still able to hang in there, and Brown couldn't put him away.

During 1 of the round breaks i heard Brown's corner tell him that Faber broke his left hand.

[Rau71]

Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

During 1 of the round breaks i heard Brown's corner tell him that Faber broke his left hand.

I heard that too. He was only throwing open handed strikes with his left, they noticed that, they has to notice the right was an elbow only option.

[OpusX910]

Re: WEC: Brown vs. Faber 2 6.07.09

This was a fun fight to watch... I thought Brown got lucky in the first fight, but i was very impressed with how he fought this time around, and have completely changed my opinion of him as a fighter...That being said tho, i still think Faber is a better fighter. His broken hand not only has an effect on his standup, but also very much so the ground. Its a lot harder to control body position and even sink in a guillotine without a working hand.

Congrats to Brown for winning the fight and I hope we get to see them fight a third time for the belt...definitely