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  • damien6663
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    • Dec 2008
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    #16
    Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

    MIR isnt top 3 in his own org?? come on man who should be ranked higher in the UFC?

    You could argue Brock, but Mir has a recent win over him, i guess you could argue randy also....

    But who else? He just beat Nog...which 3 are u honestly ranking above mir in the ufc? Checik Kongo? Cane V? Come on, Mir is a top level fighter in the heavyweight division.

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    • damien6663
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      • Dec 2008
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      #17
      Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

      Originally posted by NOBLE
      I still don't understand why not being the UFC is a mark on anyone's record?

      Hmmm, possibly because the UFC hold the largest talent pool world wide, possibly because many other international fighters have come to the UFC and not done very well. After barnett there really is no one left for Fedor to fight outside of the UFC.

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      • SHO
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        • Mar 2005
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        #18
        Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

        Originally posted by damien6663
        MIR isnt top 3 in his own org?? come on man who should be ranked higher in the UFC?

        You could argue Brock, but Mir has a recent win over him, i guess you could argue randy also....

        But who else? He just beat Nog...which 3 are u honestly ranking above mir in the ufc? Checik Kongo? Cane V? Come on, Mir is a top level fighter in the heavyweight division.
        I meant to say he's not even the best fighter in his own organization. He's definitely Top 3 in UFC.

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        • damien6663
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          • Dec 2008
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          #19
          Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

          Originally posted by NOBLE
          I meant to say he's not even the best fighter in his own organization. He's definitely Top 3 in UFC.

          ahh apologies =)

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          • Rau71
            Pro
            • Aug 2003
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            #20
            Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

            Originally posted by NOBLE
            I still don't understand why not being the UFC is a mark on anyone's record?
            Because as a whole the UFC has way more talent then all the other organizations. Sure those organizations have great fighters, but they aren't as deep and you end up with fights like Fedor Vs Hong Man Choi. or Fedor Vs Matt Lindland. Chances are if you are in the UFC you don't see those match ups. Fedor is the best no doubt, but how does Hong Man Choi even step in the ring with him?
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            • SHO
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              • Mar 2005
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              #21
              Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

              Originally posted by damien6663
              Hmmm, possibly because the UFC hold the largest talent pool world wide, possibly because many other international fighters have come to the UFC and not done very well. After barnett there really is no one left for Fedor to fight outside of the UFC.
              So does Randy Couture's career get a mark for not fighting in PRIDE when they had the best talent pool? Of course not.

              And while UFC does have the largest pool, some of their divisions are top heavy or paper thin - like the HW division.

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              • SHO
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                • Mar 2005
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                #22
                Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

                Originally posted by Rau71
                Because as a whole the UFC has way more talent then all the other organizations. Sure those organizations have great fighters, but they aren't as deep and you end up with fights like Fedor Vs Hong Man Choi. or Fedor Vs Matt Lindland. Chances are if you are in the UFC you don't see those match ups. Fedor is the best no doubt, but how does Hong Man Choi even step in the ring with him?
                You're right. Instead of seeing Fedor fight guys like Linland, we can see him fight guys like Gabriel Gonzaga and Heath Herring! That's soooo much better. UFC's HW division is paper thin (although they have more fighters), too, so that argument is weak.

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                • damien6663
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                  • Dec 2008
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                  #23
                  Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

                  Originally posted by NOBLE
                  You're right. Instead of seeing Fedor fight guys like Linland, we can see him fight guys like Gabriel Gonzaga and Heath Herring! That's soooo much better. UFC's HW division is paper thin (although they have more fighters), too, so that argument is weak.

                  The heavyweight division world wide is the weakest in the sport, at least in the UFC he will be fighting people in his weight class. I don't like the Pride having the largest talent pool argument because many of those fighters have proven not to do well in the UFC. You discredit herring who was once considered a elite heavyweight because he fought in pride.

                  I won't go on a tangent about pride now though, as i have some severe issues with how they did things as an organization.

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                  • Heelfan71
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                    • Jul 2002
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                    #24
                    Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

                    UFC doesn't need Fedor. I agree with Mir, if he is the best then prove it. All this mess about Fedor beating ex UFC champs. They are "EX Champs" for a reason.

                    Mark Coleman @ 41 years old when they fought ! . Whoopie !
                    Kevin Randleman: 17-12 record! Whoopie !
                    Nogueira : Couldn't finish him
                    Sylvia: Ex champ with zero ground skills, ex for a reason
                    Arlovski: No Chin! ex champ for a reason
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                    • MC Fatigue
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                      • Feb 2006
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                      #25
                      Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

                      Gonzaga is a great HW, then you have Brock, Mir, Carwin, Kongo.

                      You're acting like the UFC has nothing to offer at HW...

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                      • SHO
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                        • Mar 2005
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                        #26
                        Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

                        Originally posted by Timmay
                        Gonzaga is a great HW, then you have Brock, Mir, Carwin, Kongo.

                        You're acting like the UFC has nothing to offer at HW...
                        I feel they don't have that much to offer outside of Brock, Mir, maaaaaaaaaybe Kongo and Couture if he still wants to go that route.

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                        • SHO
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                          #27
                          Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

                          "The dog barks at the moon all he wants, but if the moon barks back it is the dog that becomes famous."

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                          • MC Fatigue
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                            • Feb 2006
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                            #28
                            Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

                            Originally posted by NOBLE
                            I feel they don't have that much to offer outside of Brock, Mir, maaaaaaaaaybe Kongo and Couture if he still wants to go that route.
                            And like I mentioned - Carwin and Gonzaga - two great HW fighters.

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                            • Rau71
                              Pro
                              • Aug 2003
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                              #29
                              Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

                              Originally posted by NOBLE
                              I feel they don't have that much to offer outside of Brock, Mir, maaaaaaaaaybe Kongo and Couture if he still wants to go that route.
                              Who else is out there at HW? Barnett, but other then that?? You are acting like there is some deep pool of talented HW out there that Fedor can fight. HW as a whole is weak, but UFC still has most of the best fighters at that weight class.
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                              • SHO
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                                • Mar 2005
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                                #30
                                Re: Frank Mir made himself look stupid. I can smell his fear.

                                Originally posted by Rau71
                                Who else is out there at HW? Barnett, but other then that?? You are acting like there is some deep pool of talented HW out there that Fedor can fight. HW as a whole is weak, but UFC still has most of the best fighters at that weight class.
                                My point is that people are making it seem like Fedor HAS to come to UFC or else his career is invalid and it simply isn't the case.

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