Fedor v. Rogers: Nov. 7 on CBS!

[Sandman42]

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No one wants to see Shields in the UFC? I don't think he stays at middleweight for long as he didn't look that great against Mayhem. Welterweight is where he needs to be, and he's the only top WW who GSP hasn't beaten yet.

[Salhus]

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EDIT: The point about seeing Fedor in the UFC before he's too old is a good one. My problem is that he would've already been in the UFC if his brainless management hadn't stonewalled it.... I don't really want to see him fight in the UFC 2 years down the road when he might be past his prime, I wanted to see it this year. The allure is lost for me now that I know he'll be fighting cans in Strikeforce for 2 more fights.

Can't help but think of how Cro Cop fizzled. His body just couldn't do it anymore. Wouldn't be surprised if same kind of pattern happens to Fedor. No way he pulls a Couture

[boxboy99]

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Nothing Fedor does anymore impresses me because its against the minor leagues IMO. Not to mention that i'm so sick of him being hyped as the Best Heavyweight in the world when he hasn't fought anyone worthy in how long? If he were doing this against the UFC HWs then i would jump on the wagon but until then he's still a piece of s**t for not signing with the UFC.

He beat 5 former UFC champions. He also ruled Pride FC when it was considered superior at Heavy Weight than the UFC. I would like to see him in the UFC but I don't see how anyone can say he isn't the #1 HW in the world. I mean Mir was able to tap out Big Brock two years ago and althought Brock has looked impressive he is still learning the sport. Personally I am not 100% sure Brock would beat Overeem. It was sad that Nog lost to Mir because that is probably his best fight in the UFC at this point. If its true that Nog wasn't 100% when he fought Mir, which appears to be the case then Brock will have a very though fight with Nog if they cross paths. Carwin is just a martyr until Cain can develop or Nog can regain himself. I can understand people critical of Fedor because he hasn't fought a ton the last 3 years but defeated two former UFC champs that were really only let go because one was a boring fighter and the other would of just been a gate keeper that keep the young talent from the throne.

[goh]

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He beat 5 former UFC champions. I can understand people critical of Fedor because he hasn't fought a ton the last 3 years but defeated two former UFC champs that were really only let go because one was a boring fighter and the other would of just been a gate keeper that keep the young talent from the throne.

That's not helping the pro-Fedor argument. In fact that's much of the anti-Fedor argument.

[Gibbz]

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No one wants to see Shields in the UFC? I don't think he stays at middleweight for long as he didn't look that great against Mayhem. Welterweight is where he needs to be, and he's the only top WW who GSP hasn't beaten yet.

I'll be perfectly fine if I never watch another Shields fight for the rest of my life.

[aholbert32]

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I don't believe any of you for a minute

I want Mous in the UFC as well.. but come on now

I actually do. After Fedor signed with Strikeforce, I accepted that he might never fight in the UFC. I'm not crazy about seeing him fight Mir, Cain, Dos Santos or any other UFC heavy except Brock.

Mous in the LHW division would be great. There are almost 10 fights I would like to see in that division against Mous.

[Wet Bandit]

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No one wants to see Shields in the UFC? I don't think he stays at middleweight for long as he didn't look that great against Mayhem. Welterweight is where he needs to be, and he's the only top WW who GSP hasn't beaten yet.

I'd like to see him in the UFC, but I'm not incredibly eager about it. He's not gonna challenge GSP, and there's no guarantee he'll reliably put on exciting fights (to say the least).

I'm much more interested in Fedor and Mousasi.

[ex carrabba fan]

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I actually do. After Fedor signed with Strikeforce, I accepted that he might never fight in the UFC. I'm not crazy about seeing him fight Mir, Cain, Dos Santos or any other UFC heavy except Brock.

Mous in the LHW division would be great. There are almost 10 fights I would like to see in that division against Mous.

Just a question to you guys who feel this way. If Fedor came and convincingly beat the top two or three HW's, would you consider him to be the greatest fighter ever or like a 1A. and 1B. [I would probably have to put Spider, maybe even GSP? in there assuming a lot]?

[aholbert32]

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Just a question to you guys who feel this way. If Fedor came and convincingly beat the top two or three HW's, would you consider him to be the greatest fighter ever or like a 1A. and 1B. [I would probably have to put Spider, maybe even GSP? in there assuming a lot]?

Depends on how he beat them. If he walked through Lesner, you could make that argument. If he wins an unimpressive decisions, maybe not. GSP is my #1 because of his competition alone since 2005. Look at this list: Mayhem Miller, Trigg, Sherk, Penn (twice), Hughes (twice), Serra (twice), Koscheck, Fitch and Alves. Not a dog in that bunch. Not one can.

Fedor cant say that. Neither can Silva.

[boxboy99]

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That's not helping the pro-Fedor argument. In fact that's much of the anti-Fedor argument.

Just playing devil's advocate a little bit. I can understand the anti-Fedor side but I also think I listed my reasons why I think he is the best in my post. The two fighters in question are good fighters. My short list of fights I would like to see for Fedor are Overeem and Lesnar. I am not really intersted in a Werdum match up. If Rogers can string up like 3-4 wins in a row then a rematch in a couple years is feasible. The real issue at Heavy weight is there really isn't a lot of top flight athletes in the division. I think a Nog-Lesnar matchup would answer a lot of questions to Lesnar's legitimacy.

[goh]

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Just a question to you guys who feel this way. If Fedor came and convincingly beat the top two or three HW's, would you consider him to be the greatest fighter ever or like a 1A. and 1B. [I would probably have to put Spider, maybe even GSP? in there assuming a lot]?

I'd say he'd have to beat Brock,Cain,Carwin and Mir. Beating Couture does nothing,just another FORMER champion and he's at 205 now anyway. Would love to see him fight Machida (if he wins the Shogun rematch) and Silva too. Different class but they wouldn't mind I'm sure.

[mgoblue]

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Just playing devil's advocate a little bit. I can understand the anti-Fedor side but I also think I listed my reasons why I think he is the best in my post. The two fighters in question are good fighters. My short list of fights I would like to see for Fedor are Overeem and Lesnar. I am not really intersted in a Werdum match up. If Rogers can string up like 3-4 wins in a row then a rematch in a couple years is feasible. The real issue at Heavy weight is there really isn't a lot of top flight athletes in the division. I think a Nog-Lesnar matchup would answer a lot of questions to Lesnar's legitimacy.

Yeah...I get you, and agree. I think Fedor's great, just not impressed with his last 4ish years of competition at this point.

I guess everyone here gets annoyed when they tout "5 past UFC champions" and push Arlovski and Sylvia like awesome top notch fighters. They had the belt when the UFC was admittedly way down on heavyweights and really aren't that good. Fedor fans bash those guys but yet build them up as awesome when talking about his fight history. Drives me nuts

[Salhus]

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Just a question to you guys who feel this way. If Fedor came and convincingly beat the top two or three HW's, would you consider him to be the greatest fighter ever or like a 1A. and 1B. [I would probably have to put Spider, maybe even GSP? in there assuming a lot]?

Assuming your not including boxing, I'd say yes, without hesitation.

The reason people are "Fedor-haters" is because they hate the way other people think he is the Lord.

The reason people are crazy about him is because (they say) he is the best fighter in the world. Not basketball or football player, but fighter. There are so many skills and other elements involved in those other sports, whereas fighting is the most animalistic/human instinct. There is just something different about it that I have trouble putting it to words.

The best MMA fighter, to me, is more impressive than Kobe/Lebron, A-Rod, Brady/AP/Manning.

[Bona Fide]

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Depends on how he beat them. If he walked through Lesner, you could make that argument. If he wins an unimpressive decisions, maybe not. GSP is my #1 because of his competition alone since 2005. Look at this list: Mayhem Miller, Trigg, Sherk, Penn (twice), Hughes (twice), Serra (twice), Koscheck, Fitch and Alves. Not a dog in that bunch. Not one can.

Fedor cant say that. Neither can Silva.

WW Matt Serra is not that great. If you want to go over a course of a career Anderson Silva and Fedor have fought much tougher fighters. If you are talking about who is the best fighter right now, not ever, then GSP is a pretty good choice. Personally I think it's Anderson Silva.

[aholbert32]

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WW Matt Serra is not that great. If you want to go over a course of a career Anderson Silva and Fedor have fought much tougher fighters. If you are talking about who is the best fighter right now, not ever, then GSP is a pretty good choice. Personally I think it's Anderson Silva.

Never said WW Serra was great. I said that he wasnt a dog. My point was neither Silva or Fedor have fought a streak of fighters like GSP has since 2005. Fedor's toughest opponents were Cro Cop, Nog and Coleman. Even with that said when it comes to difficulty of fights I'll put Penn, Hughes and Fitch up against those three.

Silva's toughest were Franklin, Henderson, Okami and Marquardt. Unlike GSP he's had soft fights like Lutter, Irvin and Leites. Like I said before, no one has had a run of tough fights over a 4 yr period like GSP.