GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

[goh]

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quite the opposite actually

Need to be handing out fines for that stuff when it's so repeated.

When asked if Fitch might be awarded a rematch next with St. Pierre, White described the wrestler as "in the mix." White then suggested a bout between Fitch and his AKA teammate Josh Koscheck to determine a clearer No. 1 contender. Fitch declined the offer, to which White responded that the fighter must not want a title shot bad enough.

"If that fight happened, it would happen in our gym with the doors closed," said Fitch.

"That would make a lot money," deadpanned White.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/St-...eck-Bout-23511

[VanCitySportsGuy]

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Quick Thoughts:

- I had Bocek winning 30-27. He clearly won Round 2 and I thought he controlled Rounds 1 and 3. I want my money back.

- Fitch refuses to lose and put on good fights. I won't waste anymore time talking about him.

- Tell me why anybody in the world would want their body covered up with tattoos like Pellegrino? Trashy FTW!!!!

- I'm impressed with Carwin. He gave Mir a beating and I think he has a chance to beat Lesnar. Both guys are excellent wrestlers with power. I would be shocked if it went past 2 rounds.

- I have no idea how Hardy didn't tap in the 1st or 4th round. He showed a lot of heart but he didn't land one good strike on GSP. GSP needs to face Silva because he won't be tested at 170. His game is flawless. If this was a Football match, the final score was 70-0 and he still wasn't happy with his performance.

- I thought the card was solid but I was still a little disappointed. Most of the matches were too lopsided.

- Rachelle Leah didn't look that attractive last night. Did she take out her fake boobs? She looked pretty flat chested.

[jeremym480]

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I still hold out hope that Jake Shields will give GSP some trouble once he comes to the UFC later this year. If not, then a move to 185 is his only choice.

I think Jake Shields vs. Dan Hardy would be a good fight. Jake vs. GSP not so much. Hell, Mayhem Miller gave Jake all that he wanted. I'm not saying Mayhem is a bad fighter or anything but, do you really thing that he could give GSP a run for his money? It will be interesting to see how well Jake preforms against Dan Henderson next month.

[bkfount]

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http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/St-...eck-Bout-23511

I don't think you should force team mates to fight, but the AKA team prevents two top 10 WW's from fighting each other. If Swick had even won one of his last two fights, they would have made an even bigger jam at the top.

[allBthere]

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I've been saying for a while that Carwin is the only one who can beat Brock, but this cemented it. WTF was Mir even doing in there?
against Brock, either Carwin KO's him, or Brock is strong enough to conceal him for 5 rounds. I think Brock could only TKO Carwin if he catches him in a very awkward position like the crucifix.

GSP is the man! on my thinking though (I'm a big fan) he should have tested himself more and put himself in danger by striking (which I think he would have beat hardy at anyway) ... not because it's the smart title defence thing to do, but because IF he plans on going up in weight or fighting anderson - any of that stuff, he needs the practice and the more recent octagon experience of striking a bit vs a good striker. If he fights fitch again, he'll kickbox him more, but if he is to move up in weight he'll need extra confidence in his standup (if he can't take the bigger guys down among other reasons). In other words there are times where in a way he should look past his a opponent a little bit. That will never happen though because of Greg Jackson. I'm not complaining about the fight, I liked it, I'm only saying these things thinking about GSP's future.

It was a good win though, and Hardy's arms omg!

Diaz was very impressive...he's open to get his lead ribs broken big time though....it's weird not seeing anyone try...he just leaves his lead arm out big time - kos does that too but not as much.

I forgot to mention that I really want to see Hardy vs Alves and wanted that even before this fight.

[MC Fatigue]

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against Brock, either Carwin KO's him, or Brock is strong enough to conceal him for 5 rounds. I think Brock could only TKO Carwin if he catches him in a very awkward position like the crucifix.

Disagree. Gonzaga dropped Carwin very fast but couldn't finish it. I would say Lesnar hits just as hard, but throws his punches even faster. He could very conceivably KO or TKO Carwin from any position. Dude punched Herring so hard in the face he made him do a backwards summersault.

I think Mir could have TKO'd him if he'd managed to hit him. I don't think Carwin has some amazing chin, it just hasn't been tested very much - and when it was against a hard hitter like Gonzaga we all saw him wobble.

[allBthere]

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Disagree. Gonzaga dropped Carwin very fast but couldn't finish it. I would say Lesnar hits just as hard, but throws his punches even faster. He could very conceivably KO or TKO Carwin from any position. Dude punched Herring so hard in the face he made him do a backwards summersault.

I think Mir could have TKO'd him if he'd managed to hit him. I don't think Carwin has some amazing chin, it just hasn't been tested very much - and when it was against a hard hitter like Gonzaga we all saw him wobble.

I've never seen brock KO anyone with one punch, Carwin got caught and staggered - so what. We'll see...I think standing, Brock's only advantage is his reach. If they actually trade standing up I see Brock getting his block knocked off. Carwin hits much harder than brock does..

[MC Fatigue]

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I've never seen brock KO anyone with one punch, Carwin got caught and staggered - so what. We'll see...I think standing, Brock's only advantage is his reach. If they actually trade standing up I see Brock getting his block knocked off. Carwin hits much harder than brock does..

Yeah - in his 4 whole UFC fights. So what? Mir's never been held against the cage and had his face smashed in. Machida's never lost around, then he fought Rua. Chuck's never been KO'd until he fought Evans. Doesn't matter.

Fact is - Lesnar hits hard and fast - and has dropped the people he's fought with them; several times. Carwin is KO'able. All he has to do is hit that button and it's lights out. There's no reason Lesnar couldn't KO/TKO Carwin.

[JerseySuave4]

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I've never seen brock KO anyone with one punch, Carwin got caught and staggered - so what. We'll see...I think standing, Brock's only advantage is his reach. If they actually trade standing up I see Brock getting his block knocked off. Carwin hits much harder than brock does..

Brock has heavy hands, look at what he did to Mir's face as well as Herring. He might not have that flash KO on his resume but he's prob just as strong as Carwin if not stronger.

Disagree. Gonzaga dropped Carwin very fast but couldn't finish it. I would say Lesnar hits just as hard, but throws his punches even faster. He could very conceivably KO or TKO Carwin from any position. Dude punched Herring so hard in the face he made him do a backwards summersault.

I think Mir could have TKO'd him if he'd managed to hit him. I don't think Carwin has some amazing chin, it just hasn't been tested very much - and when it was against a hard hitter like Gonzaga we all saw him wobble.

I still dont know what to make of Carwin, he is heavy handed but he hasn't really been tested as much. We haven't seen enough of his game to know what he really has other than his hands.

[aholbert32]

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Brock has heavy hands, look at what he did to Mir's face as well as Herring. He might not have that flash KO on his resume but he's prob just as strong as Carwin if not stronger.





I still dont know what to make of Carwin, he is heavy handed but he hasn't really been tested as much. We haven't seen enough of his game to know what he really has other than his hands.

Exactly.

[Scoop_Brady]

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I have no desire to watch GSP in another fight at 170. Just like I have no desire to see Sylva in another fight at 185. I would like to see Silva move to 205 full time and GSP move to 185 full time. I have no desire in seeing them fight each other either. Both guys have cleaned out their respective divisions but just think about the fights we'd get to see if they both moved.

GSP vs. Belfort, Sonnen, Maia, Marquardt, Bisping, Wanderlei. All of those fights interest me more than any possible rematch GSP could fight at 170.

How about Silva vs. Machida (I know they're buddies and it would never happen but imagine it), Shogun, Shad, Rampage, Jones, Little Nog, Thiago Silva. All of those fights also interest me more than any possible rematch or matchups for Silva at 185.

Hell if those 2 shifted up it might be great to see Penn move up to 170. I think a move for all 3 would be the best thing for the LW, WW, and MW divisions. Right now there's more drama in the #1 contender fights in those divisions then there are in the actual title fights. That's bad for the divisions IMO. Did anybody seriously think Hardy had better than a 1% chance of beating GSP? Does anyone think Maia has more than a 1% chance of beating Silva? Does anyone think Edgar has more than a 1% chance of beating Penn? Maybe Vitor has more than a 1% chance of beating Silva but it's still not a very big chance IMO.

It says a lot to me when I felt more amped up for the fake belt fight then I did for the actual belt fight because it actually looked competitive going into it. Even after not having a title on the line for so long the GSP/Hardy fight lacked any excitement or buildup for me. It played out exactly like we all thought it would. Hopefully after 112 we hear that all 3 of them move up in weight permanently.

I think all 3 of those guys are good enough to dominate a higher weight class but at least they'd be challenged more. Sorry if this came off as a rant, I'm just very frustrated after last night. I'm not the biggest GSP or Silva fan but when they are challenged they are a thrill to watch like so few other fighters. They are the cream of the crop.

[MC Fatigue]

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I'm interested in this fight for sure. I want to see Brock make him fight in a few different spots. I've only seen a few UFC fights and it's just him punching people in the face and KOing them. I haven't seen people make him really go through much a fight yet, and I'm hoping Lesnar does just that.

[Wet Bandit]

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Here's a pretty fascinating video showing GSP working with his trainers after his fight last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRbPvfgmimo&feature=player_embedded#

Of particular note is GSP saying that he heard Hardy's arm cracking during the armbar attempt. GSP thought he was doing it wrong because Hardy wasn't tapping, but Greg Jackson had to explain to him that Hardy was going to let him break the arm rather than tap.

[Phillmattic]

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Here's a pretty fascinating video showing GSP working with his trainers after his fight last night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRbPvfgmimo&feature=player_embedded#

Of particular note is GSP saying that he heard Hardy's arm cracking during the armbar attempt. GSP thought he was doing it wrong because Hardy wasn't tapping, but Greg Jackson had to explain to him that Hardy was going to let him break the arm rather than tap.

Yeah I saw that last night. It's pretty sad that a fighter who cares about the sport so much is being criticized so severely.

[allBthere]

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I forgot that Maia is fighting Silva - how did that happen again? Damien got his *** ko'd against nate...I think he won his last fight so he's on a 1 fight win streak - why is he getting a shot at the title again?