GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

[aholbert32]

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I hope so.
I'm interested in the Rampage-Evans card still. Not sure I'll pay for it though. I might have to find a bar or someone else willing to front the cash for it.

BTW, one of the preliminary fights (they showed after the main fight was over) was highly entertaining. I don't know the fighters names but it featured a tall, lanky white fighter vs a short, well-built black fighter.
I couldn't believe the white dude was able to take some serious punishment and come back to win a UD.
My friends and I kept laughing everytime they showed the black fighter and then switch to the white guy. The black fighter looked like a bodybuilder and the white guy looked like Napolean Dynamite.

But it was a very entertaining fight.

P.S. You're right. The fitch bout was terrible. I'm glad the ref made them stand as often as he did.

Money,

Once you accept that striking is just one part of MMA, you will definitely enjoy it more. Its a process. 4 yrs ago, I didnt know what Full Guard, Half Guard, or Side Control was. I learned by watching the sport. I suggest you start watching shows on Spike like UFC Unleashed. Its a free way to watch exciting fights in learn more about the spore.

The Wallace/Hamman fight was great live. For some reason Wallace kept trying to take him down when it was obvious he was winning from on his feet.

[aholbert32]

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yea but while that muscle looks good, like Rogan said those guys tend to get gassed a lot quicker. That was a pretty entertaining fight though. I dont know why they showed the same fight they showed earlier on Spike instead of showing the Riddle fight.

The Riddle fight wasnt that entertaining and had a DQ finish.

[jeremym480]

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I can't hold any of that against you. I don't think everyone has to be entertained by GSP. It's kind of like watching a football blowout. If you're not a fan of the winning team, it's probably not gonna be entertaining for you. For the most part, no Eagles fan wants to watch the Saints beat the Rams by 30 points.

The thing that drives me nuts is when people criticize GSP for not finishing a couple of the best welterweights in the world. If someone's not entertained, fine. But there's people talking (not necessarily here) like GSP just smothers his opponents and does just enough to not lose. That's bull****.

I agree with you 100% with your comparison to a football blowout. I mean to me GSP is entertaining to watch because he's just so damn good. However, he's just so dominant it's not a lot of fun to watch. If that makes sense. I guess the only thing that would make his fights more interesting is if he truly challenges himself and moves up. But, count me in the camp that thinks Anderson handle's GSP.

[aholbert32]

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i agree with Cain vs Junior on the same card but you don't need an all heavyweight card. You have to spread out the fights over time otherwise you'll use up all your big heavyweights on 1 card and then you won't have any for a few more cards.

Carwin didn't just get lucky, he knew what Mir does. We saw against Nog that Mir will come at you with a flurry of punches while moving forward in anticipation that you're going to back up from the punches and so he keeps coming forward throwing about 4 or 5 punches. Against Nog it worked perfectly because Nog backed up so Mir kept landing as he came forward. But last night when he tried it, instead of backing up, Carwin stood his ground and threw his own punches and stopped Mir from coming forward.

Exactly. LOL. An all heavy card is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard. One, most UFC cards have 11-12 fights not 8. Thats 24 heavyweights and I'm not sure there are even 24 UFC ready heavys in the UFC right now. Two, stacking a card like that will pretty much make its so the UFC has to go without heavys on its other cards for 2-3 months. Three, he already has the most famous Heavy in MMA in Lesner and has arguably the 7-8 of the top 10 heavys in the sport. He has sense enough to sign and promote those heavys so he must have some heavyweight sense.

[aholbert32]

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I agree with you 100% with your comparison to a football blowout. I mean to me GSP is entertaining to watch because he's just so damn good. However, he's just so dominant it's not a lot of fun to watch. If that makes sense. I guess the only thing that would make his fights more interesting is if he truly challenges himself and moves up. But, count me in the camp that thinks Anderson handle's GSP.

I still hold out hope that Jake Shields will give GSP some trouble once he comes to the UFC later this year. If not, then a move to 185 is his only choice.

[Sandman42]

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I wonder if Nick Diaz would have a shot against GSP. He's got a good guard and great subs, but then again so did BJ. I think he would present more of a challenge than most guys in the UFC though, too bad he's over in Strikeforce.

[bkfount]

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both are so skilled in all areas that itd be a great fight. GSP can stand and strike and we know Silva can as well. GSP studies his opponents well and if it goes to the ground itd be interesting. Everyone seems to think Silva would easily win but GSP is the most worthy opponent for Silva and can beat him no doubt. That fight is a 50-50 fight basically because both guys are so good.

Yes, GSP is very skilled, but he would just be too small. Silva is a basically a light heavyweight fighting at middleweight. I understand why people want to see the fight, but it really makes no sense.

[thelwig14]

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i agree with Cain vs Junior on the same card but you don't need an all heavyweight card. You have to spread out the fights over time otherwise you'll use up all your big heavyweights on 1 card and then you won't have any for a few more cards.

Carwin didn't just get lucky, he knew what Mir does. We saw against Nog that Mir will come at you with a flurry of punches while moving forward in anticipation that you're going to back up from the punches and so he keeps coming forward throwing about 4 or 5 punches. Against Nog it worked perfectly because Nog backed up so Mir kept landing as he came forward. But last night when he tried it, instead of backing up, Carwin stood his ground and threw his own punches and stopped Mir from coming forward.

I disagree. Heavies attract non-fanatics...and there are plenty to get 16 and make a card to get the non following public to tune in. Anyone who thinks this is a dumb idea is flat out ignorant and doesn't understand the big picture but acts like they are an expert in everything. Dana has plenty of heavy talent..he needs to capitalize while UFC continues to plateau.

And there are plenty of heavies that have talent that are unsigned by the UFC. Dana only has a heavyweight division by luck...not because he grew the division. He hasn't even done a decent job promoting Carwin.

[fpac]

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I disagree. Heavies attract non-fanatics...and there are plenty to get 16 and make a card to get the non following public to tune in. Anyone who thinks this is a dumb idea is flat out ignorant and doesn't understand the big picture but acts like they are an expert in everything. Dana has plenty of heavy talent..he needs to capitalize while UFC continues to plateau.

And there are plenty of heavies that have talent that are unsigned by the UFC. Dana only has a heavyweight division by luck...not because he grew the division. He hasn't even done a decent job promoting Carwin.

LMAO that I'm the ignorant one who acts like an expert at everything for thinking it's a dumb idea.

It's a godawful HORRIBLE idea.

[thelwig14]

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LMAO that I'm the ignorant one who acts like an expert at everything for thinking it's a dumb idea.

It's a godawful HORRIBLE idea.

I wasn't writing to anyone particular...but I disagree with your opinion. The market is there to strike so there is never a Ricco/Sylvia block ever again...

[MC Fatigue]

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GSP fight went exactly like I thought it would. I'm still laughing at all the people who really thought Hardy would pose even the slightest threat to him. I was kind of disappointed with GSP's lack of finish. Hardy did well, but how many times do you have to have the back before finishing it? But it was a great fight - seemed like he was just practicing his submissions at times; trying to pull off as many as he could. It was like he was training his BJJ in UFC 2009: attempt X submission, so that he could level up.

Diaz... Damn.

Not sure what to think of Carwin; I guess cause I've never really seen him get into an MMA fight yet. I've only seen him a few times and it's just overpowering his opponent and smashing him. He hits so hard it just takes one shot and that's it. I was hoping Mir would actually make a fight of it, but for some reason he was content to stand against the cage and not really even try to do anything. I don't get it.

As for Cain vs Dos Santos. Good luck. Dana's going to feed them other fighters, and line them up for title shots. He's not going to waste two huge title fights by putting them against each other.

Now what I want to see is Gonzaga vs Mir. This would be a good time for that.

[JerseySuave4]

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The Riddle fight wasnt that entertaining and had a DQ finish.

even so, they still showed a fight that they already showed on Spike. I dunno, i guess its because i was pissed that he wouldn't let go of the submission and i didnt want to see it again.

Exactly. LOL. An all heavy card is one of the dumbest ideas I've ever heard. One, most UFC cards have 11-12 fights not 8. Thats 24 heavyweights and I'm not sure there are even 24 UFC ready heavys in the UFC right now. Two, stacking a card like that will pretty much make its so the UFC has to go without heavys on its other cards for 2-3 months. Three, he already has the most famous Heavy in MMA in Lesner and has arguably the 7-8 of the top 10 heavys in the sport. He has sense enough to sign and promote those heavys so he must have some heavyweight sense.

BINGO!

I disagree. Heavies attract non-fanatics...and there are plenty to get 16 and make a card to get the non following public to tune in. Anyone who thinks this is a dumb idea is flat out ignorant and doesn't understand the big picture but acts like they are an expert in everything. Dana has plenty of heavy talent..he needs to capitalize while UFC continues to plateau.

And there are plenty of heavies that have talent that are unsigned by the UFC. Dana only has a heavyweight division by luck...not because he grew the division. He hasn't even done a decent job promoting Carwin.

The UFC doesn't need an all heavyweight PPV to try and attract non-fanatics. Its the fastest growing sport and it's popularity is getting bigger & bigger. The Rock was sold out tonight, the PPV numbers have been huge. Just because you think heavyweights are what attracts everyone, doesnt make it a smart decision.

If you want an all heavyweight thing, go watch the heavyweight season of TUF. Fans dont care how big the guys are, they just want good fights.

Funny how you say anyone who thinks this is a bad idea is ignorant and acts like they know everything (translation... anyone who disagrees with me is a moron because i'm right) yet if you were to go say this in any MMA forum you'd get the same responses.

[JerseySuave4]

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Yes, GSP is very skilled, but he would just be too small. Silva is a basically a light heavyweight fighting at middleweight. I understand why people want to see the fight, but it really makes no sense.

i understand Silva is a big guy but its not like a smaller guy has never beaten a bigger guy before. Maybe GSP going up will help him, maybe it will hurt him, who knows? But since Silva is a bigger guy that would lead one to believe that GSP wouldn't be able to just take him down and dominate him so maybe we'd get more of a striking fight and although Silva is the best, you never know. Machida never got hit either and then Rua did a good job of landing on him in their fight.

We've seen stuff like this before with a guy like BJ Penn fighting GSP and giving him a run in the 1st fight and then GSP used his size to dominate the 2nd fight.

And it would make sense to Dana White in terms of $$$. A GSP vs Silva ppv would be huge.

There are enough guys around to where it's not like it MUST happen. But i just think you got 2 guys that are clearly the best in their weight class and 2 of the best p4p in the world, at the peak of their careers, why not make it happen? Much like Pacquiao and Mayweather HAS to happen, i think this would be a wasted oppurtunity not having these 2 fight and always wondering what if...

[Azamien]

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I hope GSP is never forced to move up to MW. I don't know where the whole myth about him being a "huge" WW came from, but it's simply not true. Alves made him look small, and even Hardy looked bigger (just not more muscular).

[Phillmattic]

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I wonder if Nick Diaz would have a shot against GSP. He's got a good guard and great subs, but then again so did BJ. I think he would present more of a challenge than most guys in the UFC though, too bad he's over in Strikeforce.

Nick Diaz is the only WW in the world that I want to see GSP fight now. Diaz has great length, good boxing (it's ugly, but it's effective), and is constantly moving forward and putting pressure on people. I also think that he would be more dangerous off of his back than anyone GSP as faced yet, including Penn.