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  • jerk
    Pro
    • Feb 2004
    • 922

    #106
    Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

    Watching the gsp vs hardy previews have really made me like hardy. Think he's a pretty funny dude.

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    • Pappy Knuckles
      LORDTHUNDERBIRD
      • Sep 2004
      • 15966

      #107
      Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

      I'm hoping for the upset.

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      • MC Fatigue
        Banned
        • Feb 2006
        • 4150

        #108
        Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

        I can't respect a guy who just runs his mouth constantly and shows zero respect.

        Hardy is a ****ing tool and a douchebag. I'll enjoy seeing the pictures the next day of his dejected beat up, bruised face from the beat down GSP gave him.

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        • allBthere
          All Star
          • Jan 2008
          • 5847

          #109
          Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

          Originally posted by MC Fatigue
          I can't respect a guy who just runs his mouth constantly and shows zero respect.

          Hardy is a ****ing tool and a douchebag. I'll enjoy seeing the pictures the next day of his dejected beat up, bruised face from the beat down GSP gave him.
          that's the thing about GSP. even though I'm a fan, people obviously realize when he beats someone, it's not just 'oh it was a split decision' ...he dominates them and pulverizes their faces. When people get beat up as bad as GSP does, they seriously contemplate their future. it's never an accident, he really mind, body and sould eff's people up. Good night Hardy (I don't mind him at all, but he's going against my man sat night!)
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          • aholbert32
            (aka Alberto)
            • Jul 2002
            • 33106

            #110
            Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

            I love that ESPN is finally giving the UFC the respect it deserves. Over the past 2 days, I've seen interviews on Sportscenter with Mir, Dana and Brock.

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            • Scoop_Brady
              MVP
              • Aug 2003
              • 1022

              #111
              Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

              Originally posted by Pappy Knuckles
              I'm hoping for the upset.
              Every time GSP fights I hope for the upset. I don't see it happening though. I just hope GSP can finish this one early instead of his dominating, but boring, 4-5 round performances since his loss to Serra. He used to be so much more exciting to watch, but I digress. I kind of wish the Mir/Carwin fight was the main event instead of GSP/Hardy.
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              • Pappy Knuckles
                LORDTHUNDERBIRD
                • Sep 2004
                • 15966

                #112
                Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

                Originally posted by Scoop_Brady
                Every time GSP fights I hope for the upset. I don't see it happening though. I just hope GSP can finish this one early instead of his dominating, but boring, 4-5 round performances since his loss to Serra. He used to be so much more exciting to watch, but I digress. I kind of wish the Mir/Carwin fight was the main event instead of GSP/Hardy.
                I'm with you on that.

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                • DJ
                  Hall Of Fame
                  • Apr 2003
                  • 17756

                  #113
                  Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

                  Originally posted by Scoop_Brady
                  Every time GSP fights I hope for the upset. I don't see it happening though. I just hope GSP can finish this one early instead of his dominating, but boring, 4-5 round performances since his loss to Serra. He used to be so much more exciting to watch, but I digress. I kind of wish the Mir/Carwin fight was the main event instead of GSP/Hardy.
                  It's weird. GSP dominates his opponents, either messing them up physically (Fitch) or breaks them mentally (Penn). I agree that he was more dynamic pre-title, but I think that's true of most fighters in that they are more aggressive when they are working towards the title.

                  Once you have the strap, you have to adjust your gameplan a bit. You don't need to be as aggressive. The challenger has to beat you; as the champ, your first priority is to make sure you don't get caught with a KO blow or a submission. From there, you look for ways to win the fight. It may not always be the most exciting, but from a strategy standpoint, it makes the most sense.
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                  • Scoop_Brady
                    MVP
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 1022

                    #114
                    Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

                    Originally posted by Djwlfpack
                    It's weird. GSP dominates his opponents, either messing them up physically (Fitch) or breaks them mentally (Penn). I agree that he was more dynamic pre-title, but I think that's true of most fighters in that they are more aggressive when they are working towards the title.

                    Once you have the strap, you have to adjust your gameplan a bit. You don't need to be as aggressive. The challenger has to beat you; as the champ, your first priority is to make sure you don't get caught with a KO blow or a submission. From there, you look for ways to win the fight. It may not always be the most exciting, but from a strategy standpoint, it makes the most sense.
                    I understand what you're saying but I don't necessarily agree with it. IMO you don't have to adjust your gameplan, that's a conscious decision. You watch guys like Faber and Torres when they had their belts and you never saw a change in their style. They were two of the most exciting champs in the sport. Chuck always went for the KO and was never boring. Fedor takes quite a bit of punishment and still comes out on top in exciting fashion. BJ Penn hasn't changed either, he goes for the KO or sub. It's a definite choice and I don't like champs that make that choice. GSP is not alone with that choice though, look at Silva. He is much more aggressive in his fights at 205 with no belt on the line than his title defenses where he looks strictly to counter. It's just sad when 2 of the greatest fighters in all of MMA become boring. At least to me they are.
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                    • aholbert32
                      (aka Alberto)
                      • Jul 2002
                      • 33106

                      #115
                      Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

                      Originally posted by Scoop_Brady
                      I understand what you're saying but I don't necessarily agree with it. IMO you don't have to adjust your gameplan, that's a conscious decision. You watch guys like Faber and Torres when they had their belts and you never saw a change in their style. They were two of the most exciting champs in the sport. Chuck always went for the KO and was never boring. Fedor takes quite a bit of punishment and still comes out on top in exciting fashion. BJ Penn hasn't changed either, he goes for the KO or sub. It's a definite choice and I don't like champs that make that choice. GSP is not alone with that choice though, look at Silva. He is much more aggressive in his fights at 205 with no belt on the line than his title defenses where he looks strictly to counter. It's just sad when 2 of the greatest fighters in all of MMA become boring. At least to me they are.

                      I dont agree about Silva. He was very active against Franklin, Lutter and Henderson in title fights. The only reason he had boring fights against Cote and Leites was because they wouldnt engage. He always has been primarily a counter puncher even at 205. The Irvin knockout was a counter to a kick. Against Forrest he was countering until the end of the fight when he realized Forrest was done.

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                      • mgoblue
                        Go Wings!
                        • Jul 2002
                        • 25477

                        #116
                        Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

                        Originally posted by Scoop_Brady
                        I understand what you're saying but I don't necessarily agree with it. IMO you don't have to adjust your gameplan, that's a conscious decision. You watch guys like Faber and Torres when they had their belts and you never saw a change in their style. They were two of the most exciting champs in the sport. Chuck always went for the KO and was never boring. Fedor takes quite a bit of punishment and still comes out on top in exciting fashion. BJ Penn hasn't changed either, he goes for the KO or sub. It's a definite choice and I don't like champs that make that choice. GSP is not alone with that choice though, look at Silva. He is much more aggressive in his fights at 205 with no belt on the line than his title defenses where he looks strictly to counter. It's just sad when 2 of the greatest fighters in all of MMA become boring. At least to me they are.
                        And what happened to Faber and Torres? They got beat. What happened to Chuck? He's not as dominant as he once.

                        IMO you have to keep evolving as a MMA fighter, especially with how fast the competition is gaining skills in wrestling, BJJ, striking, etc.
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                        • Scoop_Brady
                          MVP
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 1022

                          #117
                          Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

                          Originally posted by mgoblue
                          And what happened to Faber and Torres? They got beat. What happened to Chuck? He's not as dominant as he once.

                          IMO you have to keep evolving as a MMA fighter, especially with how fast the competition is gaining skills in wrestling, BJJ, striking, etc.
                          Yeah, after loooong reigns as champions. I agree about the need to evolve (still wish Chuck would start using his wrestling for offense) but that's not what I think GSP has done. I've always disliked the guy but at least I looked forward to his fights because they were exciting and he is a hell of a fighter. I no longer look forward to his fights.

                          aholbert, I see your point about Silva. I think the Cote and Leites fights just really left a bad taste in my mouth with Silva. I understand his style is to counter but I feel as champ that he should have pushed the fight instead of winning a decision. We'll see what happens against Maia.
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                          • Wet Bandit
                            MVP
                            • Apr 2009
                            • 1746

                            #118
                            Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

                            It's such a myth that GSP has changed since losing to Serra. He's always been a ground-and-pounder that mixed in long strikes on his feet. And he's been exactly that since becoming champ. People talk like all he does is take guys down and smother them. Re-watch the Fitch fight. He threw over 150 strikes on his feet in that fight and got three knockdowns. And when it did go to the ground, which was usually because GSP knocked Fitch down (seriously, re-watch it, GSP went for very few actual takedowns), GSP threw over 100 more strikes.

                            In the Alves fight, GSP certainly went for more takedowns, but he didn't just sit in Alves' guard. He tried for multiple RNCs (which failed because Alves doesn't actually have a neck) and an armbar that got reversed and caused GSP to be on his back for the first time in years. Oh, and there was the whole 'injuring his groin that caused him to miss 8 months' thing that happened halfway through the fight.

                            I think there's a number of reasons this myth has gained some traction:

                            1) GSP's fights haven't been competitive in a long time. He's won a UFC-record 20 straight rounds.

                            2) The level of competition is higher. His last three fights have been against the consensus current #2 and #3 WWs in the world, and the current LW champion. No other champion has fought that level of competition recently.

                            3) These are championship fights. GSP has never knocked guys out cold. He's always overwhelmed them with strikes. But in championship fights, referees tend to let the fight go on longer, let guys work out of bad situations. There were multiple times in both the Fitch and Penn fights that probably would have resulted in a stoppage if it was your average run-of-the-mill three round fight.

                            4) There's a lot of rabid BJ Penn fans that like to find ways to criticize GSP.

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                            • aholbert32
                              (aka Alberto)
                              • Jul 2002
                              • 33106

                              #119
                              Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

                              Originally posted by Wet Bandit
                              It's such a myth that GSP has changed since losing to Serra. He's always been a ground-and-pounder that mixed in long strikes on his feet. And he's been exactly that since becoming champ. People talk like all he does is take guys down and smother them. Re-watch the Fitch fight. He threw over 150 strikes on his feet in that fight and got three knockdowns. And when it did go to the ground, which was usually because GSP knocked Fitch down (seriously, re-watch it, GSP went for very few actual takedowns), GSP threw over 100 more strikes.

                              In the Alves fight, GSP certainly went for more takedowns, but he didn't just sit in Alves' guard. He tried for multiple RNCs (which failed because Alves doesn't actually have a neck) and an armbar that got reversed and caused GSP to be on his back for the first time in years. Oh, and there was the whole 'injuring his groin that caused him to miss 8 months' thing that happened halfway through the fight.

                              I think there's a number of reasons this myth has gained some traction:

                              1) GSP's fights haven't been competitive in a long time. He's won a UFC-record 20 straight rounds.

                              2) The level of competition is higher. His last three fights have been against the consensus current #2 and #3 WWs in the world, and the current LW champion. No other champion has fought that level of competition recently.

                              3) These are championship fights. GSP has never knocked guys out cold. He's always overwhelmed them with strikes. But in championship fights, referees tend to let the fight go on longer, let guys work out of bad situations. There were multiple times in both the Fitch and Penn fights that probably would have resulted in a stoppage if it was your average run-of-the-mill three round fight.

                              4) There's a lot of rabid BJ Penn fans that like to find ways to criticize GSP.

                              GREAT POST! Ive watched every GSP fight since UFC 50 and he has always fought that way.

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                              • JerseySuave4
                                Banned
                                • Mar 2006
                                • 5152

                                #120
                                Re: GSP v. Hardy - UFC 111 in Jersey

                                i was at the Rock today (Prudential Center) picking up tickets for tomorrow night for a customer and i guess the weigh ins must have been going on because there was media, a road was closed off and there were a lot of fans. I couldnt stay and see it since i was working but i'm pissed i can't find anyone that wants to go tomorrow night or is willing to spend the money to go. I'll admit prices, even face value prices, are way too high. We had to get like 20 tickets today for different orders we had (i work for a ticket broker) so i know what brokers have, how much they paid for them and how much they really cost. I can get a $200 single ticket for section 116 but i'd like to go with someone but my friends are either not around or not willing to spend that much money.

                                I might just check out the market tomorrow and see if one of the other brokers drops their price and maybe just go myself but most likely i'll just watch it on PPV at my friend's house.

                                So pissed that UFC is finally at Jersey again and none of my friends are around or will spend the money to go.

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