UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

[thegut]

Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

Rampage should have a very low sub offense.. he doesn't have a single sub (or sub attempt even) in his MMA career since his first fight in pride. 20+ consecutive submission-less fights with legit organizations outweigh him choking out a few people in small time KOTC shows at the start of his career.

Can rampage sub people? Absolutely. Every MMA fighter can. Melvin Manhoef has probably trained gogoplatas.. but the logic this year is that fighters have moves tailored to their ring performances.. Rampage hasn't subbed anyone thus the low rating to prevent people from using him in an unrealistic manner.

Well that can be argued for everybody in the demo. I have never seen Rua attempt a omaplata (except a sorry one on Coleman). Nevermind the fact that his only submission win was against of all people Kevin Randleman. One of Machida's two subs was on Kickboxer Michael McDonald in K-1. None of them have impressive subs. If we were going to attempt true realism then basically everybody has a rear naked choke and Rua can have a leg lock and Machida can have a triangle. You are right about Rampage but it would have been better to just get rid of his subs and give him the ability to make someone tap due to strikes. Same with Evans. I guess what I'm getting at is that the submission system is just arbitrary in its current form. For something that is rare for the four fighters in the demo I bet I see on average 5 sub attempts a match on expert against the cpu. No one has ever been finished by an omoplata or a gogoplata in the UFC but both are going to be in 2010. I imagine it will be extremely unfun this year to play against Mir, Maia, or Nog. Just shine the whole damn time.

By the way I like your suggestion on having to transition into a position that is more conducive to sub attempts. That would be an excellent idea to minor transition to high guard and then work for subs. Hell right now Rua can Omoplata from closed bottom guard which would be tough to do on a corpse. The omoplata in my opinion should be a transition not a sub attempt.

[Anaxamander]

Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

The demo is fun, but I don't think it's enough to warrant a pre-order. I think I'll wait and see if the patch helps or hurts, and maybe by then it will be $39.99. Now, if you could use actual UFC fighters in career mode, I'd probably put some money down on it.

[mikenoob]

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Submissions were hard to get in the 09 demo too, but you can sure as hell make the cpu tap in the retail game.

[eeyor]

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Right now I'm not going to buy this game based off the demo. What is destroying the game for me is how the submissions are handled. Submissions need to be set up in real life. In this game if Rua gets you in side mount he can attempt a kimura over and over again by just clicking the sub button. This is ridiculous. A fighter in MMA just doesn't go for a sub when he feels like it. He sets it up with strikes or making a pass attempt. If he doesn't set it up it will fail every time. The last fight I just had on the demo I was beating the living crap out of Rua with Rampage. Just out playing him everywhere. I already rocked him twice in the fight. Then when I was attempting to get mount posture up he reversed me and got side mount immediately. No big deal. I was going to wait him out for a reversal since I was not in any real danger.....Then he attempts 4 freaking kimuras in a row. Well the last one got me. What absolute crap when you factor everything in. You have Rampage who was been subbed only once in his entire career 9 years ago. Third round when both fighters are very sweaty, which typically the odds of a sub are drastically reduced except for the rear naked choke (since being sweaty helps slip it in). Rua beat to a pulp. No attempt to set up the kimura by Rua, in real life Rampage would have just had to hold on to his shorts in order to stop it.

Sorry for my rant. There are so many better ways to implement subs and IMHO the chose the most half assed method.

as a defender you get a free transition everytime the attacker attempts a sub and looses it. so, you shouldn't be in a position that lets him attempt 4 subs in a row.
besides that, I totally agree with you. The whole thing needs to be redone. It is something that really pisses me off in the demo.
My Idea would be:
Submissions should be more like the normal ground game I think. Like when someone initiates a submission, he needs to successfully transition 3 times to be able to have a struggle for the tap.
The defender should be able to escape anytime he gets two minor transitions. If he reverses, he will either end in a dominant position, or for guys like rampage, get a brute force escape.
Stamina should drain slow but constantly, so that the attacker cannot just block transitions.
Sub offense and defense would, like the ground skills for the ground game, determine how easy it will be to transition to the next stage.
This would also enable the ability to throw punches during the submission, something I really miss since it was in the game last year.

[allBthere]

Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

I just want to be able to block submission attempts and maybe reverse them in a minor way like getting them out of position.

blocking them is needed though especially if I know even before they do that they're going to do that.

[MC Fatigue]

Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

as a defender you get a free transition everytime the attacker attempts a sub and looses it. so, you shouldn't be in a position that lets him attempt 4 subs in a row.

No, I think it's a free transition for a canceled sub, not a failed one. Because I've been blocked after a failed sub by the AI several times.

[jeremym480]

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Is it just me or is Experienced to easy and Advanced is too hard?

[eeyor]

Re: UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

Is it just me or is Experienced to easy and Advanced is too hard?

yeah, it is a hard bump up in difficulty if you go from experienced to advanced. However expert plays nearly the same to advanced so if you master advanced, you have nearly mastered the game, in terms of playing against the AI

[texbuk84]

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One word: Awesome( well actually I have 3 words there but you get the point)

[MC Fatigue]

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Is it just me or is Experienced to easy and Advanced is too hard?

Once you get used to the gameplay and AI, it's actually way too easy.

[Stumbleweed]

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Yeah I thought Advanced was tougher than Expert initially, but I don't think that's the case any longer. I regularly KO them on Advanced but still am around 50% on Expert due to the Flash KOs.

[Phobia]

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Yeah I thought Advanced was tougher than Expert initially, but I don't think that's the case any longer. I regularly KO them on Advanced but still am around 50% on Expert due to the Flash KOs.

My problem is on any level, I straight destroy the CPU in a matter of a few secs on the ground. It is literally this easy.

Take down
Land a GnP punch
They go to transition
Flick right stick and reverse to mount
Contine same routine until pounded out from mount.

Standing it is a very fair fight and I can lose by a KO or TKO. But if I choose to take it down, man it is easier than last year. Ground game vs CPU is wayyyyyy to easy.

[Stumbleweed]

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Yeah I agree, though it seems a little harder to just hold them down, even from mount -- they'll transition 3 times and get out even if you're transition blocking. I can get the reversal most times but don't normally look for it because it still feels cheap, especially when I'm freakin Rampage or somebody. I hope it's better in the final so it's not so predictable...

[Jukeman]

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online multiplayer has taken over...

sigh..

[sirjam]

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I apologize because it's prolly been covered. But last year if I'm on my back an the CPU is trying to transition to a dominant position, I could jus flick the right stick an I could reverse an gain the upperhand. This year the only thing I have been able to do when on my back is hold him until the Ref breaks it up. What am I doing wrong? Thanks