UFC 2010 Undisputed Demo Available, Post Impressions Here

[Stumbleweed]

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It's important to keep in mind that demos are often made from early code (sometimes up to 5 months in advance) that is often nerfed in important ways or otherwise tweaked for the dmeo experience rather than a full game. I can understand having second thoughts about the demo, but I definitely wouldn't mark the game off your list as a failure vs. the CPU until you've gotten to play the retail on various difficulty levels and with different fighters. I would imagine that if they offer any kind of sliders (anyone heard anything on that?), all of these problems could be easily tweaked to your liking.

[Jukeman]

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After playing the demo i'm really having second thoughts about buying this game,the cpu is just awful and career mode was one of the things i was looking forward to playibg this year.

The CPU cant be as bad as the CPU from 2009, Im sure you enjoyed that one right?

[RoyalBoyle78]

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The CPU cant be as bad as the CPU from 2009, Im sure you enjoyed that one right?

UM, aren't there different levels?

[filtertmp]

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UM, aren't there different levels?

I think the issue isn't the stratified difficulty levels, but rather the lack of a challenge at the highest level (expert).

Personally, I hope the final version of the game's expert-level AI is more difficult (even if arbitrarily so, like absurd blocking/swaying or ground reversals). I'd rather expert be too hard and inaccessible then not hard enough.

Offline play (specifically career mode) might stagnate even with the tons of new features if the CPU difficulty isn't high enough.

Fingers crossed its not an issue but you can always look forward to playing against Brock and GSP for 85% of your online matches (haha.. probably undeserved but that was my 2009 experience).

[ManiacMatt1782]

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I think he's talking about on the ground

i know he was, im saying if you put their head up against the cage when you get kicked off their back is against the cage and you can immediately clinch and press. a dominant position. yes there isnt an advantage to pressing them while on the ground, but once the break to the standup happens, you're already in position.

all im saying is moving them on the ground is all apart of the chess match

[darlon]

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True but from what I've seen, the bottom guy can move as much as the top so there really is no way to move a guy who knows what he's doing on the ground.

[gmac0322]

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I just got the demo. can anyone tell me how to get someone to tap? i was in a three round battle with rampage using Maschida and i put him in various triangle chokes and the computer would stay in it for a second and reverse out of it. Everytime the comp puts me in one i tap immediately. I know tap R3 to put them in it but what do i do after it?

[PBlast]

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Wish I could help, I've actually not been able to submit anyone either.

[gmac0322]

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Wish I could help, I've actually not been able to submit anyone either.

yup it is crazy. I did a lot of body work and rampage was limping around by the third and he still wouldn't tap. I am still just playing default difficulty just to learn the controls.

[eeyor]

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Submitting sounds easy on paper but it is hard as hell in the game. 1st you need to wear down your opponent to at least half his power bar. then, you need to drain his stamina to nearly zero, meaning all yellow while you should still preserve green stamina. Then you tap r3 and spin the right stick like a berzerk and hope he locks one in. Easy on paper but no fun in the game.

[thegut]

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Right now I'm not going to buy this game based off the demo. What is destroying the game for me is how the submissions are handled. Submissions need to be set up in real life. In this game if Rua gets you in side mount he can attempt a kimura over and over again by just clicking the sub button. This is ridiculous. A fighter in MMA just doesn't go for a sub when he feels like it. He sets it up with strikes or making a pass attempt. If he doesn't set it up it will fail every time. The last fight I just had on the demo I was beating the living crap out of Rua with Rampage. Just out playing him everywhere. I already rocked him twice in the fight. Then when I was attempting to get mount posture up he reversed me and got side mount immediately. No big deal. I was going to wait him out for a reversal since I was not in any real danger.....Then he attempts 4 freaking kimuras in a row. Well the last one got me. What absolute crap when you factor everything in. You have Rampage who was been subbed only once in his entire career 9 years ago. Third round when both fighters are very sweaty, which typically the odds of a sub are drastically reduced except for the rear naked choke (since being sweaty helps slip it in). Rua beat to a pulp. No attempt to set up the kimura by Rua, in real life Rampage would have just had to hold on to his shorts in order to stop it.

Sorry for my rant. There are so many better ways to implement subs and IMHO the chose the most half assed method.

[SA1NT401]

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Right now I'm not going to buy this game based off the demo. What is destroying the game for me is how the submissions are handled. Submissions need to be set up in real life. In this game if Rua gets you in side mount he can attempt a kimura over and over again by just clicking the sub button. This is ridiculous. A fighter in MMA just doesn't go for a sub when he feels like it. He sets it up with strikes or making a pass attempt. If he doesn't set it up it will fail every time. The last fight I just had on the demo I was beating the living crap out of Rua with Rampage. Just out playing him everywhere. I already rocked him twice in the fight. Then when I was attempting to get mount posture up he reversed me and got side mount immediately. No big deal. I was going to wait him out for a reversal since I was not in any real danger.....Then he attempts 4 freaking kimuras in a row. Well the last one got me. What absolute crap when you factor everything in. You have Rampage who was been subbed only once in his entire career 9 years ago. Third round when both fighters are very sweaty, which typically the odds of a sub are drastically reduced except for the rear naked choke (since being sweaty helps slip it in). Rua beat to a pulp. No attempt to set up the kimura by Rua, in real life Rampage would have just had to hold on to his shorts in order to stop it.

Sorry for my rant. There are so many better ways to implement subs and IMHO the chose the most half assed method.

The3 whole submission concept is just BAD...Worst aspect of the game by far...Like you said...They can be applied AT ANY TIME.

That needs to be totally re-tooled for 12.

[thegut]

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The3 whole submission concept is just BAD...Worst aspect of the game by far...Like you said...They can be applied AT ANY TIME.

That needs to be totally re-tooled for 12.

Completely agree. They really took a lot of steps back when they removed the power (button mash) escape. There is a reason Rampage has only been submitted once in his career:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jOwYbMbm-s

There should be some type of punishment for attempting a submission on him. They have auto block transitions. There should be auto block subs.

Between the 4 fighters in the demo:
Evans 14 wins 2 by submission (both strikes) and none in the UFC
Machida 16 wins 2 by submission and 1 in the UFC
Jackson 30 wins 7 by submission and none in the UFC
Rua 19 wins 1 submission and none in the UFC

So between all of them 1 sub in the UFC, because the competition is a whole lot better. Plus Rampage has the lowest Sub offense on the demo but has more submission wins then the others combined. I guess I was expecting to much.

[filtertmp]

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So between all of them 1 sub in the UFC, because the competition is a whole lot better. Plus Rampage has the lowest Sub offense on the demo but has more submission wins then the others combined. I guess I was expecting to much.

Rampage should have a very low sub offense.. he doesn't have a single sub (or sub attempt even) in his MMA career since his first fight in pride. 20+ consecutive submission-less fights with legit organizations outweigh him choking out a few people in small time KOTC shows at the start of his career.

Can rampage sub people? Absolutely. Every MMA fighter can. Melvin Manhoef has probably trained gogoplatas.. but the logic this year is that fighters have moves tailored to their ring performances.. Rampage hasn't subbed anyone thus the low rating to prevent people from using him in an unrealistic manner.


Anyways, I am going to wait for the full version before I make a verdict on subs. The system works seems similar to last years but it looks like there could be issues.

I would have preferred that to initiate a submission you would need to 'transition' to the appropriate ground position (major transition to throw legs up for a triangle, or minor transition to rotate off to cinch an arm-triangle, etc.)

You could then defend the transition to 'sub ground positions' (or counter them) and they wouldn't be so abrupt and easy to start. If they were harder to set-up you could make them more effective to balance it out.. just a thought.

[gmac0322]

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Completely agree. They really took a lot of steps back when they removed the power (button mash) escape. There is a reason Rampage has only been submitted once in his career:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jOwYbMbm-s

There should be some type of punishment for attempting a submission on him. They have auto block transitions. There should be auto block subs.

Between the 4 fighters in the demo:
Evans 14 wins 2 by submission (both strikes) and none in the UFC
Machida 16 wins 2 by submission and 1 in the UFC
Jackson 30 wins 7 by submission and none in the UFC
Rua 19 wins 1 submission and none in the UFC

So between all of them 1 sub in the UFC, because the competition is a whole lot better. Plus Rampage has the lowest Sub offense on the demo but has more submission wins then the others combined. I guess I was expecting to much.

I didn't know that all four fighters were low on submission wins. that makes more sense that it is hard to get someone to tap using them.